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The Latest Presidential Polls...and the Leaders Are...
The folks at RealClearPolitics have updated and averaged the latest presidential polls and the results include:
Rudy G still leading the GOP (28 percent) and Phlegmatic Fred Thompson gaining several points (23 percent); McNasty McCain surging like the troops in Iraq past Romney...
On the Dem side, Hillary Clinton proceeds apace, with 44 percent, well above Barack Obama (24 percent) and John Edwards (14 percent), though all three are rising.
In head to head polls, Clinton beats the G-man, Thompson, McCain and everyone else, too.
|9.12.07 @ 1:05PM|#
RealClear my pimpl'd ass! Where's Dr. Paul?
P.S. Anyone going to the "Values Voter Presidential Debate" in Fort
Lauderdale on Monday?
iih|9.12.07 @ 1:09PM|#
Great! The two most disgusting candidates end up leaders -- HRC
# 1 for the Dems and G for the Reps. I guess this ample proof that
Reason's latest print version cover story got it exactly
right.
Ideally (wishfully) Obama vs. Dr. Paul... but, eh, what shall I
say.
|9.12.07 @ 1:10PM|#
Paul is holding the line with 1% of the phone voting
public.
I for one welcome our new Hilloverlord.
|9.12.07 @ 1:22PM|#
I command you all to imagine Hillary french-kissing Angela Merkel at their first summit. The steel drums from "Girls Gone Wild" are playing in my version.
|9.12.07 @ 1:35PM|#
Fat-assed socialist bully vs. chest-thumping warmongering power
monkey.
America, fuck yeah.
Timothy|9.12.07 @ 1:39PM|#
So let's see here, because 72% of Republican voters want somebody other than Rudy and 66% of Democratic voters want somebody other than Hilary we'll end up with that choice in the general election. Man, ain't democracy wonderful?
|9.12.07 @ 1:39PM|#
My husband and I are scouting out possible host countries for our defection. Sadly, our options are few.
Timothy|9.12.07 @ 1:41PM|#
I declare jihad on plurality voting, by the way.
CONDORCET AKBAR! And where that's impractical, APPROVAL AKBAR!
The Artist Formerly Know as Tr|9.12.07 @ 1:42PM|#
"Hillary french-kissing Angela Merkel at their first
summit"
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
The Extispicator|9.12.07 @ 1:42PM|#
Whew! I was worried about having to figure out those new voting machines. Now I can just stay home and watch Jeopardy!
IT IS ALL USELESS|9.12.07 @ 1:47PM|#
ZOD WILL BE PRESIDENT, AND YOU ALL WILL KNEEL BEFORE ZOD.
AND THEN WE WILL ALL SMOKE HAND-DIPPED AWIK DUNEROOOOO
CIGARS.
|9.12.07 @ 1:49PM|#
References to The Prisoner in this thread are quite
apropos. After all, Hillary wants to take us to The Village.
I'm on record as saying that she and Rudy will both fail
spectacularly in the primaries. I'm sticking to that prediction.
Pre-primary polls are worse than useless. Of course, election
results are not always rational. After all, look who has been
nominated or even has won the presidency in the past!
Speaking of Zod, I haven't seen Urkobold mention him in a while.
Looks like they're singing
Manilow songs now. Tsk, tsk.
|9.12.07 @ 1:52PM|#
Bronwyn
Unless you want to learn another language New Zealand is about your
only place that comes close.
Frankly I can't see hillary being much different from Bill (most of
her rhetoric is for the base).
And really can Benito Giuliani be much worse that Bush? I don't
think so.
I'm not sure that Hillary with a Republican Congress would be all
that bad at all.
The very worst that I can think of is Giuliani with a GOP
Congress.
|9.12.07 @ 1:56PM|#
Prediction:
Hillary w/ a Democratic government. I get taken out back and
horsewhipped for being a registered republican.
|9.12.07 @ 1:58PM|#
I've been saying for years that I am going to defect to Ireland
if such a situation arises.
Sadly, their immigration laws are really fucking strict.
I guess someone's listening to Pat Buchanan over there.
|9.12.07 @ 2:10PM|#
According to the polls, the most electable candidate in the general election (not the primaries) is Edwards -- the only candidate I hate more than Guiliani.
Derrick Miller|9.12.07 @ 2:11PM|#
Well, I did hear General Zod is "libertarian
leaning"!
Who told you that, Eric Dondero?
|9.12.07 @ 2:12PM|#
Who told you that, Eric Dondero?
Yup, and the AP said it too! So it must be true!
|9.12.07 @ 2:23PM|#
PL
You might be onto something with "[Hillary} and Rudy will both fail
spectacularly in the primaries."
It has occured to me that with this insanely early starting
campaign the contestants in both camps will bloody eachother so
badly the voters will reject them all.
They will then be looking to dust off an "elder-statesmen" in the
party inventory. "Hey, Democrats, how 'bout Al Gore?" "Hell,
yeah".
Not seeing anyone in the Republican tealeaves though. Too
murky.
Urkobold™|9.12.07 @ 2:24PM|#
ZOD LOVES LIBERTY! HE BELIEVES THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE FREE TO KNEEL BEFORE ZOD. ALSO, ZOD SEEKS ABSOLUTE FREEDOM FOR ALL KRYPTONIANS NAMED ZOD.
iih|9.12.07 @ 2:24PM|#
1. America needs to be a republic again, not a democracy.
Probably never gonna happen.
2. Limited presidential powers so that states have a meaning again.
Never gonna happen (GWB has already engraved federalism in hard
stone all over the US -- see Charlie Savage's new book.)
3. States should adopt proportional representation (assuming option
2 happens) in Congress and drop the winner takes all
mentality/procedure. Never gonna happen because 2 ain't ever gonna
happen.
|9.12.07 @ 2:28PM|#
Forget about the CNN polls. I don't trust them when you consider
that Gupta's polling company is behind those polls. Gupta is
supporting Hillary. Notice he has Hillary leading Giuliani by 4
points and Giuliani leading Obama by 4 points. All to show that
Hillary is the best Democratic candidate to run in the general
election, I suspect. The Rasmussen poll shows Giuliani to be ahead
of Hillary by 3 points and ahead of Obama by only 1 point which
shows Obama to be a stronger candidate than Hillary in the general
election.
The other polls are too old to consider. The most recent poll of
them ends at August 13, a whole month ago.
Timothy|9.12.07 @ 2:38PM|#
I am seriously considering applying to graduate school in New Zealand, because I am just getting sick of this shit. Not that anywhere is any better, but New Zealand has penguins.
|9.12.07 @ 2:39PM|#
"The very worst that I can think of is Giuliani with a GOP
Congress."
That could happen if Hillary is the nominee. Republicans will turn
out en masse to keep Hillary out and while their at it, vote
against the lower level Democrats as well. I read that the Democrat
party in some states is having problems getting candidates to run
for some offices because the candidates fear their chances of
winning with Hillary at the top of the ticket.
|9.12.07 @ 2:44PM|#
New Zealand may be the way to go. I speak Spanish and a
smattering of Arabic, but defection to a Spanish- or
Arabic-speaking country would be a little too frying-pan to the
fire.
Besides, the Kiwis have Flight of the Conchords. And I have a
friend there already, too.
Well that does it. New Zealand or bust!
|9.12.07 @ 2:45PM|#
... Unless, of course, we manage to establish our island nation
of monkey butlers.
Perhaps there is still room in Dubai?
iih|9.12.07 @ 3:04PM|#
Everyone: Just move to NH and live like a hermit in the
mountains.
Bronwyn: How come you know some Arabic? If you don't my asking.
Either way, I can't really think of a libertarian leaning country
where Arabic is one of its major languages. Sorry!
|9.12.07 @ 3:11PM|#
"The very worst that I can think of is Giuliani with a GOP
Congress."
Any combination of a Republican president with a Republican
Congress sucks. Any combination of a Democratic president with a
Democratic Congress sucks just as much.
|9.12.07 @ 3:13PM|#
iih: I lived in Ras Tanura (aka Najmah), KSA from 1982-1992,
when I left for boarding school. I was a "returning student" until
1997, when my parents returned to the US.
I'm what they call an ARAMCO brat :)
|9.12.07 @ 3:23PM|#
"Am I the only one to notice that Fred Thompson is almost even
with Giuliani?"
Whichever one is the strongest candidate against the bitch, that's
who I'm for.
JBinMO|9.12.07 @ 3:24PM|#
"I command you all to imagine Hillary french-kissing Angela
Merkel at their first summit. The steel drums from "Girls Gone
Wild" are playing in my version."
Thats HOT!!!
|9.12.07 @ 3:26PM|#
"I think Isaac and Derbyshire have it. Stay tuned for Al
Gore."
I don't like Al Gore, but if he can beat Hillary, more power to
him.
iih|9.12.07 @ 3:37PM|#
Bronwyn:
Well it is nice to meet you on this forum. But KSA won't really
work if HRC or G become president.
JBinMO|9.12.07 @ 3:38PM|#
". I speak Spanish and a smattering of Arabic, but defection to
a Spanish- or Arabic-speaking country would be a little too
frying-pan to the fire."
Are you a terrorist, I am calling the brown shir..,uh homeland
security.
iih|9.12.07 @ 3:42PM|#
JBinMo (interesting handle by the way):
Spanish- Arabic-speaking gives you an illegal immigrant terrorist I
guess. That is like double the offense. But, hey I'd be better. I
just speak Arabic, English and French -- so just a terrorist? No, a
Frenchy terrorist.
JBinMO|9.12.07 @ 3:50PM|#
He is the Representative fron San Diago, the only part of the border fence that is actually up was put up by him. He seems a bit fanitical about the war on terror, and worst of all he won the Texas stray poll 2 weeks ago.
|9.12.07 @ 3:52PM|#
Hillary or Rudy?
I, for one, choose death.
Since both candidates will carry on our bellicose foreign policy,
it might end up choosing you.
iih|9.12.07 @ 3:56PM|#
JBinMo:
Yeah, he's that guy who, whenever asked a question in the last GOP
debate, could never hear the question. Luckily, I am at the other
corner of the country.
|9.12.07 @ 4:03PM|#
iih: French and Arabic, eh? So you're faced with the dilemma...
which do you do first? Surrender or blow stuff up?
JBinMo... I'm sure there's a file on me somewhere. It's a boring
file and no doubt a waste of paper, but there must be a file.
iih|9.12.07 @ 4:08PM|#
Bronwyn: The dilemma that I can never resolve and which keeps me
at bay, I guess. Sort of like GWB: leave Iraq and the terrorists
have won -- stay in Iraq and the democrats have won.
A file there must be.
|9.12.07 @ 4:13PM|#
kohlrabi
I seem to recall joe is predicting Al Gore too.
The difference is that joe actually likes Al. :)
|9.12.07 @ 5:29PM|#
Honestly, the only two areas I see HRC being worse than the Republicans in is gun control and health care. Though, with Bush's Medicare Part D spending orgy even that is questionable.
|9.12.07 @ 5:46PM|#
They will then be looking to dust off an "elder-statesmen" in the party inventory. "Hey, Democrats, how 'bout Al Gore?" "Hell, yeah".
There's a pointy stick in the eye I'm willing to give a fair
chance, considering the current field.
|9.12.07 @ 6:41PM|#
Ideally (wishfully) Obama vs. Dr. Paul... but, eh, what
shall I say.
So your two favorite candidates are the one that wants the most
government and the one who wants the least?
Jesus Christ, a black man is able to put two grammatically correct
sentences together and even those most against his ideology start
thinking "hey, he's not so bad...".
There's no logical reason Hillary deserves the socialist label and
Obama doesn't. In fact, she's much more moderate.
|9.12.07 @ 7:12PM|#
Chalupa-
Jesus Christ, a black man is able to put two grammatically
correct sentences together and even those most against his ideology
start thinking "hey, he's not so bad...".
Having a President of any color that can put two
grammatically correct sentences together after the last six 1/2
years will be a relief.
iih|9.12.07 @ 7:38PM|#
Hello Chalupa:
Jesus Christ, a black man is able to put two grammatically
correct sentences together and even those most against his ideology
start thinking "hey, he's not so bad...".
Other than finding this statement very appalling, of all the Dems
who can win, he is the most intelligent, honorable of them. Since
hearing him speak for the first time on "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me" a
few years ago,I highly admired his sincerity and honesty (and sense
of humor). I disagree with his big government policies, but his big
G policies are far less scary than HRC's or the current and any
future GOP president.
And, yes, Cesar, it is not like we have a president who is a PhD
holder in English literature.
iih|9.12.07 @ 7:43PM|#
Am I the only one to find chalupa's comment racist. Don't take
me wrong chalupa, you are absolutely free to say what you want, but
I am absolutely free to think of you as a racist.
In fact, she's much more moderate.
Please, tell me how!
|9.12.07 @ 7:48PM|#
I think it's getting a bit late for Gore.
And my prediction was that Al would kick ass IF he ran, not whether
he'd run.
Frankly, it's getting a bit late for anyone to beat Hillary. I
thought there would at least be a horserace by now, even if she
ended up pulling ahead. She really has run a virtually flawless
campaign, and quietly chewed up ground.
|9.12.07 @ 7:54PM|#
Chalupa gets some kind of kick off saying racist things, so don't bother. He thinks it makes him edgy and "un-PC". He probably doesn't say them in real life and is just letting off steam.
|9.12.07 @ 8:00PM|#
iih,
I'll give you that Obama is honest and has a sense of humor, but if
his policies are horrible so what? I think Clinton wasn't that bad
of a president for the ironic reason he had no integrity, so was
pushed into welfare reform and other good policies.
I disagree with his big government policies, but his big G
policies are far less scary than HRC's or the current and any
future GOP president.
I think your blinded by his charisma. Leaving out the Republicans
so we can compare apples to apples, how is his big government
better than Hillary's?
Am I the only one to find chalupa's comment racist.
Do you need the opinions of others to decide?
|9.12.07 @ 8:02PM|#
I'm going to be shouted down by some for saying this, but HRC with a Republican Congress maybe wouldn't be so bad.
|9.12.07 @ 8:38PM|#
Rattlesnake Jake,
I'd be careful about Rasmussen polls.
IMHO, they are very good at capturing trends, and doing so before
anyone else, but their individual snapshots can be pretty far off -
and be consistent in the size and direction of that inaccuracy, so
that the trends they report end up holding up.
Eric Dondero|9.13.07 @ 1:02AM|#
Yeah, time to leave the country alright. We can't have any one
in the office of the Presidency who cut taxes 23 times in his prior
occupation as Mayor of a major city.
And we can't have anyone as President with a liftime NTU score of
85, 91 in one single year.
What's that they say? The perfect is the enemy of the good, or
something like that?
|9.13.07 @ 8:46AM|#
I keep hearing this "cut taxes 23 times" thing. Shouldn't Rudy
be saying something about "I cut taxes by X%"? The number of times
is pretty meaningless without some measure of how much those 23
times actually mattered.
I suspect Rudy harps on the number of cuts because he a) doesn't
want us to know that they were insignificant in size, or b) doesn't
want us to know that they were narrowly focused at campaign
contributors or something.
Eric Dondero|9.14.07 @ 1:07AM|#
Blah, blah, blah.
If Rudy eliminated the income tax you cynical Libertarians would
still find something to bitch about.
Just admit it. You hate him personally, maybe cause he's an
Italian-American, and successful.
And because he poses such a threat as a Mainstream libertarian to
the hardcore Radical extremists in the Libertarian Party.
That's why you hate Rudy.
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