Cathy Young | August 6, 2007
The Scott Thomas Beauchamp brouhaha, if you have been following it, is a proverbial tempest in a teapot. The claims Beauchamp made (as the barely pseudonymous "Scott Thomas") in his "Baghdad Diarist" New Republic article about American soldiers behaving badly are fairly trivial; the war in Iraq does not stand or fall on their truthfulness. Nonetheless, the blogosphere's reaction to the story has been sharply divided along pro-war and anti-war lines almost from the start, and this across-the-board knee-jerk response is, perhaps, the most interesting (if depressing) aspect of the entire affair.
Right meme: it's a liberal media conspiracy to besmirch the war effort by encouraging a leftist literary poseur to publish fictional or embellished stories painting soldiers as depraved sociopaths. Left meme: it's a right-wing cyber-lynching of a soldier telling the ugly truth about the war. TNR's announcement that it has confirmed the story to its satisfaction has not changed any minds.
There is no question that some of the right-wing rhetoric directed at Beauchamp and at TNR was indeed shockingly ugly, violent, and paranoid (Beauchamp was a leftist mole who had deliberately infiltrated the military in order to destroy it from within!). But the defense of Beauchamp from the anti-war camp seems misguided. For one thing, the one detail that TNR admits he got wrong -- the incident which opens his piece, in which Beauchamp and a buddy publicly mock a woman disfigured in an IED explosion, did not occur in Iraq but in Kuwait while awaiting deployment -- is not a triviality. After all, with the correct location, the anecdote would not have fit into Beauchamp's narrative. His point was that war messes up one's moral compass, including his own. If this happened before he was in a war zone, there goes the moral of the story.
Far less attention has been paid to the curious matter of Beauchamp's first diarist piece, "War Bonds". In it, Beauchamp chats with a friendly Iraqi boy while changing a flat tire, only to find out the next day that the boy, who called himself "James Bond," had his tongue cut out by insurgents for talking to Americans. This horrifying tale abounds in improbabilities -- above all, the fact that a month or two later Beauchamp sees the same kid back on the same streets, hanging around Americans and waiting for handouts, smiling happily and sprinting after a soccer ball. His spirits are apparently undampened by the mutilation or by fear of further reprisals, and his family has not thought to keep him off the streets, or maybe try to get out of that neighborhood. None of it rings true -- though I'm certainly not denying that the insurgents could have done such a thing. (For more analysis of that piece, see my post at The Y-Files.) Of course, no one questioned that story because no one has a political or emotional stake in disproving atrocities by insurgents.
So yes, I think there are good reasons to question Beauchamp's accuracy, and neither TNR nor liberal bloggers are doing themselves any favors by coming uncritically to his defense. But conservative bloggers aren't covering themselves in glory either when they stridenly insist that TNR gave Beauchamp a platform in a nefarious plot to smear and slander the troops. TNR is not some far-left rag that revels in spitting on American soldiers; it is a centrist magazine that initially supported the war in Iraq. Indeed, while I think the story of the boy who had his tongue cut out raises further doubts about Beauchamp's credibility, it also points to the aburdity of claims that TNR editors were eager to publish Beauchamp because his writings put U.S. troops in Iraq in a bad light. I think Beauchamp wanted to write gritty, vivid, human-interest-rich accounts of the horrors of war, and TNR wanted to publish them.
I also think Andrew Sullivan probably has a point when he speculates that one reason for the Beauchamp brouhaha is that, unable to discredit the real bad news coming from Iraq, war supporters have targeted the Beauchamp story as a weak link. There are also far too many on the right who do not want to hear, or to accept, any bad news about the conduct or the morale of American troops.
But none of that changes the fact that a magazine like TNR owes its readers real accuracy, not just a "close enough." Truth in journalism matters; that's why the Beauchamp saga is not entirely trivial. And even those who are rightly disgusted by the hysteria about "slandering the troops" should not overlook this fact. In the end, Beauchamp and his persecutors may well deserve each other.
Extended version cross-posted at The Y-Files.
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How much accuracy can you expect from media that say global warming is a certainty and the war on drugs is important and nessariy.We have a huge threat to food supplies from ethonol support,not to mention the drain on taxpayers,yet it is considered important to replace oil.
The stresses of a war zone corrode sensibilities; people do
things - like killing - that they would not normally do. The fact
that soldiers are ordinary people means that, among them, the full
range of human types exists. Some perform actions of incredible
heroism; others - a tiny minority - use the lowering of moral
standards to commit acts of depravity.
The right is stupid to deny the fact that the depraved minority
exists among US troops.
The left is deceitful when it attempts to portray the actions of
the minority as the norm.
"His point was that war messes up one's moral compass,
including his own." - Y
Certainly his point is unremarkable, as other writers of other
generations serving in the front line have documented in other,
more brutal conflicts. In my recent post
"The Old Breed. The New Breed." I compare Beauchamp to
E.B. Sledge. Sledge, a marine private who served in the South
Pacific in WWII, wrote an unflinching memoir about far worse
horrors inflicted by both sides in that conflict. His book is
required reading at Military Schools today.
What Beauchamp (and his publisher) failed to understand, is that if
you are going to report on soldiers losing their moral compass, it
is incumbent that you report with scrupulous accuracy, honesty, and
your motivation be clear. Sledge's work passes that test,
Beauchamp's does not.
Cathy Young's comment that TNR is a centerist mag brings her
partiality into question. They are obviously left leaning.
Are we so used to the far left of the MSM that a source only "left
leaning" appears to be centerist?
After the intense and powerful, blissful and pure intoxication
from Rathergate the righties can't seem to stop chasing that first
high.
Also, since backstabbers are needed to prevent the harrowing
cognitive dissidence that results from getting everything you ever
asked for in prosectuing the war and occupation and still end up
failing miserably, then, by God, backstabbers will need to be
invented.
Michael Pack,
You know that the New Republic is critical of both the drug war and
ethanol subsidies, right?
Maybe it would be worthwhile to look at the actual facts and
personalities here, rather than interpretting everything in terms
of a political narrative about "the left," "the right," and "the
media."
Actually, my toungue really was cut out. However, it was not cut out by insurgents, but by the estate of Ian Flemming for trademark infringement.
Heavens you just can't trust the MSM. From now on I'm only believing stuff I hear from official government outlets, as they have proven themselves perfectly credible and honest at all times.
Wait - the *New Republic* published inaccurate reporting? That sounds so implausible.
You know that the New Republic is critical of both the drug
war and ethanol subsidies, right?
So is Rolling Stone magazine. They even questioned the
Federal Reserve.Doesn't change the fact that they are "left
leaning" media.
Nonetheless, the blogosphere's reaction to the story has
been sharply divided along pro-war and anti-war lines almost from
the start, and this across-the-board knee-jerk response is,
perhaps, the most interesting (if depressing) aspect of the entire
affair.
I believe that this sort of observation underlies 90% of Cathy
Young's writing.
SIV,
But they are not even remotely left-leaning on the Iraq War. They
were among its biggest boosters before it happened and for years
afterwards, endorsing Joe Lieberman for President and piling on
Howard Dean. Even today, they remain sharply to the right of the
American public, arguing for a continuation of the war, defending
its initial justification, and attributing its failure, a la John
McCain, to the poor execution of the administration. Meanwhile,
70-odd% of the American public is to their right, denouncing the
decision to go to war and the justification given for it, and
calling for a swift withdrawal.
They are left-leaning on health care and abortion rights, but so
what? On the issue that is allegedly their motive for publishing
"biased" reports, the war in Iraq, their political leanings are
actually in the opposite direction.
thoreau
Are you complaining that Ms Young's writing is too balanced for
this forum? (This is an honest question, not a trollish attempt to
bait anyone.)
Edward-
It's not that she's too balanced. There's nothing wrong with
balance. If you want to consider an issue and analyze pro and con
arguments, go for it.
That's somewhat different from observing that "Yep, yet again,
people are polarized, especially the predictable partisans."
But they are not even remotely left-leaning on the Iraq
War.
So you are equating war support with ideology?
Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan on the Left. Joe Lieberman and The New
Republic on the Right?
No one supports the war more than Bush, yet the "hard right"
regards him as a moderate centrist.
SIV,
No, the people accusing the New Republic of running anti-war
propaganda because they're "left-leaning" are confusing war support
with ideology..
I'm just pointing out that their argument fails even on its own
terms.
thoreau: Yes, the fact that so much political commentary today,
whether on blogs or in more "traditional" punditry, consists of
knee-jerk, polarized, "my side good/other side evil" reactions is
an issue of paramount concern to me. I don't apologize for that.
However, "90% of my writing" consists of reiterating that
observation? This page has a
list of my articles for January on Reason.com; how many of them fit
your description?
Actually, there's a lot more to this post than "the left and the
right are being predictably partisan"; I also discuss, for
instance, the issue of journalistic integrity.
Michael Pack
How much accuracy can you expect from media that say global
warming is a certainty ...We have a huge threat to food supplies
from ethonol support,not to mention the drain on taxpayers,yet it
is considered important to replace oil.
Wow. Talk about your tolerance for cognitive dissonance. What makes
the media organization making claims about ethanol being "a huge
threat to food supplies" credible while those reporting on the UN
IPCC are not?
Shouldn't your skepticism be aimed at both claims. Wouldn't the
degree of evidence for one claim over the other matter in your
determination of credibility?
As for The New Republic... well, Eric Alterman has castigated the media for referring to TNR as liberal or centrist despite their hawkish foreign policy.
What the New Republic owes its readers is what they will pay
for.
Anything else is prolly socialism of some sort.
And come on, who reads the New Republic anyway...OK I do, but for
the same reason that back when the Soviets shot down the Korean
airlines back in the day when Ronnie was pres, I turned on the 700
hundred club to find out what the White House reaction would be.
Thankx to that, I knew hours before my friends who watched CNN back
then would find out.
The New Republic readers no more want accuracy than Fox news
viewers do. They want their biases confirmed. Hell, Aristotle wrote
about that, and little has changed since.
Anyone who trusts writers, or politicians for anything even
remotely approaching the truth, I have got an excellent bridge to
sell you.
I also think Andrew Sullivan probably has a point when he speculates that one reason for the Beauchamp brouhaha is that, unable to discredit the real bad news coming from Iraq, war supporters have targeted the Beauchamp story as a weak link.
This is the same tactic employed by Intelligent Design proponents
and conspiracy theorists. They treat the pile of evidence that goes
against their pet theory as being incredibly fragile. Instead of a
big pile of rocks, they see The Opposition as a supremely intricate
construct, where every individual piece-no matter how
insignificant-is a keystone, and that if they could but pluck out
any single pebble from the structure, the entire thing will
collapse.
Nitpicking has replaced serious analysis.
You're right, Cathy, there was a lot more to this post than just
"Look, polarization!"
My bad.
If the New Republic, a pro-war magazine editted by a man on the board of the Scooter Libby Defense Fund, is only working to confirm its readers' biases, then why would it run stories that tend to make the war look bad?
Speaking of "moral compasses", I am convinced that The New
Republic has not given a damn about facts for so long that
they do not realize how inaccuracies can actually be different from
each other and have different impacts. Impact like Cathy has
already covered here is waived away by the editors at TNR as just a
minor detail.
Cathy, glad you covered 'story' 1, I had not paid it any attention
but will check it out now, thanks to you.
In the "Shock Troops" story, then PFC Beauchamp (he has been
serving in his second-award of PV2 since before these stories were
published) wrote about a Bradley IFV incident he claimed to hear on
the radio, IIRC, and additional details by the alleged
driver.
From PV2 Bauchamp's other statements about his mechanical aptitude,
I can see where a Bradley driver could tell the guy a tall tale and
he repete it as fact. No track commander is letting his driver bust
through concrete barracades and buildings. That is a good way to
break the final drive and be stuck in a hostile area. TNR did not
bother to reveal what their 'research' found on this item.
They also failed to reveal who the Public Affairs Officers that
they "attempted" to contact were either. Other members of the media
have not had much trouble contacting the PAOs and TNR could easily
reveal who they contacted and who did not return messages.
Actually, there is not telling what the original stories were and
how much fairbanksing (google is your friend) went into the final
product.
As for the IED victim, the only thing revealed was that the woman
was scarred and then PFC Beauchamp began spouting off
about IED victims. Even if the woman does exist, there is
no telling how much exaggeration there is to her appearance or what
caused her injury.
The point about TNR being generally pro-Iraqi Freedom and
supporting the Global War on Terror is somehting that the
Rightleaning 'bloggers don't seem to grasp. Then again, the people
who point this out tend to miss the fact that TNR seems to believe
that the wrong political party is running the war. They certainly
are not centrist, they are pro-liberation Leftists (a rare find,
too bad they are so sloppy).
Another bad aspect to this affair is that this Private happens to
be married to one of the only decent writers at TNR, Elspeth Reeve.
Odd how that happens, but I hope she continues to do well.
All in all, I don't believe anything from PV2 Beauchamp just from
looking at the nonsense in his online journal. This whole deal
sounds like he heard and made things up, passed them along to the
editors at TNR who in turn made more things up while trying to make
a readable story out of PV2 Beauchamp's notes back to the
office.
It is odd how TNR is silent about firing a staffer for confirming
that PV2 Beauchamp is actually married to Elspeth Reeve, even
though the editors reveled the relationship within a day or
two.
The "investigation" post by TNR reads like a child trying to
convince parents that an elephant stepped on their broken
toys.
All in all, that publication is nothing but bad fiction that the
staff believes as fact and no fact will change that.
joe,
(an answer:Vietnam-era nostalgia for spitting on the
"troops"?)
I expect inconsistency from the left. The New Republic could
approve of the Democracy-spreading , Nation-building foreign policy
activism of the war while still holding a negative view of the
American military.I imagine the political landscpe in regards to
the war would be quite different if President Gore was leading the
United Nations coalition forces after 4 years in Iraq.
SIV
I expect inconsistency from the left.
As opposed to from the right? The middle? The libertarains?
Not trying to put words in your mouth, but is there a partisan
group you expect consistency from?
Cathy Young,
Yes, the fact that so much political commentary today, whether
on blogs or in more "traditional" punditry, consists of knee-jerk,
polarized, "my side good/other side evil" reactions is an issue of
paramount concern to me.
That seems to be a constant throughout this republic's history.
Well, SIV, President Gore wasn't an irredeemable fuck-up, so
maybe the political situation surrounding the war would have been
diffferent.
Nice admission that your perception is based on myths, though.
Lotta names on the Spat Upon Troops Monument, are there?
C'mon joe, you know the myth that no soldiers were spit
on was the result of partial indexing of newspapers.
We can't visit that alternate universe where Gore received more
votes down in Florida to see what President Gore's War on Terror
would look like. Perhaps he is an even bigger fuck-up over
there?
C'mon joe, you know the myth that no soldiers were spit on was the result of partial indexing of newspapers.
Awesome. "It's true because there's no evidence."
BTW, in case someone missed the most important indicator of PV2 Scott Thomas Beauchamp being a trouble maker who deeds to be watched closely: he appears to have a BA degree.
Some soldiers do remember being spit on as they returned from
Vietnam yet some guy did "research" that found no newspaper
accounts prior to the early 1980s that reported this so he termed
it a myth. There were contemporary press references to the spitting
only the newspapers had not been indexed in databases at the time
of his research.
Although literal spitting was a rare reception for returning
Vietnam vets it did happen and was most certainly not a myth.
Good posting Cathy, and I agree with a lot of what you wrote.
That said, I think you're a bit overcritical of TNR. Beauchamp's
tales are part of what's probably so common that it can be called
an element of the human condition: the tendency to embellish war
stories.
Singling out Beauchamp or TNR seems a bit unfair. How about Michael
Yon, the right-wing blogger who concocted a fairy tale about
al-Qaeda soldiers eating a young girl? Or the one about the Iraqis
taking babies out of incubators in Kuwait? Not to mention the
Army's own confections about Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman.
Next to those things, I'd say Beauchamp looks like Walter
Cronkhite. Oops, CBS. How about Jim Lehrer?
What really sticks out here was the willingness of the right wing
to go absoultely crazy about this one. Not just with the threats
and all, but you even had The Weekly Standard sourcing
"reports" by none other than Matt Sanchez, the latest
Republican answer to Jeff Gannon and Ted Haggard. You just KNOW the
end must be near when they get this desperate!
Next to
A complimentry article to Cathy's:
Pvt. Beauchamp: Proud of Being Ashamed? By Paul McNellis
Very good stuff.
Damn Guy beat me to it.
Looks like most of that Right Meme was true except for MAYBE TNRs
motivation.
I am still betting that Eve
Fairbanks worked on those stories in some capacity.
If it is summer in DC it is Fairbanksing time.
A little slow, but in perfectly scripted fashion, the Left says it is a coverup.
His point was that war messes up one's moral compass,
including his own
Too bad he couldn't make his point without lying, eh?
And isn't it interesting that, when a Western journalist goes to
Iraq and decides to write a story about depravity and atrocity,
they are much more likely to make one up about Americans than
report truthfully about AQ?
Andrew Sullivan probably has a point when he speculates that
one reason for the Beauchamp brouhaha is that, unable to discredit
the real bad news coming from Iraq, war supporters have targeted
the Beauchamp story as a weak link.
This strikes me as a more sophisticated version of "truthiness"
and/or "too good to check" - the underlying narrative of American
evil and incompetence is a given, written in the stars, so
inconvenient facts need not apply.
TNR is making me bust a gut at their inadiquately horrid
responses to their sloppy reporting and research.
The latest? TWS has an anonymous source who said that PV2 Beauchamp
voluntarily recanted his stories on the first day of questioning.
TNR says this is some sort of "proof" that their anonymous sources
are the ones to believe.
They never address the Public Affairs Officer (PAO) who has
responded to no less that 4 inquiries with the same message, ALL of
PV2 Beauchamps stories are found to be false.
The Fairbanksing never ends at TNR.
Um, Guy? A couple of things.
First, the Army batted down the
Weekly Standard's "scoop." Second, the "scoop" has all the earmarks
of having come from Matt
Sanchez, a participant in 39 gay porn videos and a male
prostitute for at least four years and almost certainly a good deal
longer.
Last spring, Sanchez acknowledged his prostitution, but began to
cover it up as soon as he learned that the Marine Corps was
investigating it. But he didn't manage to delete his old "Excellent Top" website.
Find the "Hear My Voice" link on that site, and then compare it to
the narrator of his on-line
videos.
The, uh, moral of the story is that the Republican Party and The
Weekly Standard really need to find better smear merchants than
Matt Sanchez. I can imagine that some of you would want to ride
that horse, but not into battle. Ha!
CW,
The Army did not "bat down" anything. TNR has taken a statement
from the Army about people adding EXTRA information anonymously and
hooked people like you with it.
Also, are you now trying to tell us that you have always heald the
position that anybody who ever committed a homosexual act should be
barred from military service, or is this a new position for you?
Or, should they just be barred if they disagree with you?
Um, Guy? Being gay is not the same as having a career as a porn
actor and being a male prostitute for at least four years running.
Your wingnut "reporter" is in a different category; he's someone
with experience in telling clients what they want to hear.
I know all about "media whores," but I'd say Matt Sanchez takes
that to a new level. And it's fun to watch him be embraced by the
Republican Party, which seems to have found itself with a string of
these spokesmen.
CW,
With statements like that, coming from someone who can not
understand the simple statement: An investigation has been
completed and the allegations made by PVT Beauchamp were found to
be false. His platoon and company were interviewed and no one could
substantiate the claims. - MAJ Steven F. Lamb, Deputy Public
Affairs Officer for Multi National Division-Baghdad I can sort of
see why you think that stupid attack on a reporter who disagrees
with you "proves" your version.
Also, somehow, you take a "source close to the investigation" as
being some Marine Reservist reporter who is standing near the
investigation. Context is not that hard. Try it sometime.
Sounds like Mr. Foer actually uses your "logic" too, when he says
the Army should provide him with information from their
investigation.
If Mr. Foer believes PV2 Beauchamp then he has a criminal on his
staff who engaged in sexual harassment and conduct unbecoming a
soldier at the very least. He also has in his hands evidence of war
crimes and violations of the UCMJ. He is coddling criminals who
participated in crimes and people who witnessed crimes.
If anybody should be turning over evidence it is Foer to the US
Army where it can be viewed in a public trial of the scum he
protects.
However, if any of that were uncovered by the Army, there would be
trial boards assembled as we sit here and type without the help of
Mr. Foer.
Now, for you Mr. Wilson, run along with your little outing games
and insinuating that gay/formerly gay folk can't be trusted to
report or anything else. You bring a complete lack of evidence to
this discussion and believe in the silliest fables. Continue your
support of war criminals and their supporters too, if you like, and
feel free to speak your mind so that the rest of us know what sort
of person we are dealing with.
BTW, I have not used a single Sanchez refrence in any of my posts. Why you are so hung up on the man I will never know and I really don't want to find out either.
Correction:
BTW, I have not used a single Sanchez article refrence in
any of my posts. Why you are so hung up on the man I will never
know and I really don't want to find out either.
Um, Guy? I've never insinuated that "gay/formerly gay folk can't
be trusted to report or anything else." Nor have I "outed"
anyone.
Matt Sanchez's sexual orientation isn't at issue here. He
credibility is. Mr. Sanchez is a former (?) prostitute, and has a
long track record of lying about that and other issues. He is not a
credible source of information.
I suspect that The Weekly Standard sourced is
now-discredited "scoop" through Matt Sanchez. But my suspicions and
a buck and a half will get you a tall coffee of the day
somewhere.
As for the underlying issue of who's telling the truth, the Army,
Pvt. Beauchamp, the wingnutosphere, or The New Republic, I
can't say. As with my suspicions about your buddy Matt Sanchez, I
can only suspect and deduce.
I suspect that everything Beauchamp reported actually happened. I
also suspect that he exaggerated his stories. You know, dramatic
license and all that. I suspect that the Army doesn't know its ass
from a hole in the ground, and that this is on purpose.
Their asking the soldiers in Beauchamp's unit whether these things
happened is a knee-slapper. Come on, what soldier is going to be
stupid enough to corroborate those stories and face prosecution,
administrative sanctions, and a general shitstorm for it, as
opposed to saying, "Nosir, I didn't see a thing?" How naive do you
think people are?
I also suspect that TNR is covering its ass. Anyone with half a
brain can see that Beauchamp's diary is exaggerated. Not that the
wingnuts complained earlier this year when the target of his
exaggerations were the insurgents, and not that anyone complained
when wingnut bloggerista Michael Yon came up with a sale of
cannibalistic al-Qaeda fighters.
What really matters here is the fervor with which the
wingnutosphere has approached all of this. Beauchamp's stories were
par for the course in wartime. They were sordid but not shocking or
even very surprising. But, because they weren't wrapped in red,
white and blue tinfoil, the wingnuts went crazy. Why?
I think it's because you and your crew are terribly frustrated over
the ongoing American defeat in Iraq. You know you can't turn that
around, so you take out your anger on some lowly private first
class who failed to toe the propaganda line.
Love the way you people support the troops. And the tool of your
support -- a Republican, evanglical Christian, porn acting, male
prostitute -- well let's all just call Matt Sanchez a bit of comic
relief in this otherwise ugly little story of wingnut rage.
Cathy,
EVERYTHING from "Shock Troops" is a UCMJ violation under 934. ART.
134. GENERAL ARTICLE. Why is Franklin Foer shielding war criminals,
if he really believes the story as strongly as he says?
If you were submitting articles that were generally okay and then
dropped a story on Nick where you participated in crimes and then
Nick confirmed with your conspirators that, indeed, they helped you
commit crimes, wouldn't Nick be morally obligated to forward the
evidence to the proper authorities? Wouldn't it be silly of Nick to
demand the authorities fork over their investigative documents to
him so Dave and Radley could write another story about the
investigation?
That is the latest that Mr. Foer is demanding.
BTW, the BAE Bradley Expert that TNR interviewed is Mr.
Doug Coffey and he holds a
differing opinion from what TNR "re-reported" in their
'investigation'.
CW,
It the extent that it is worth responding to you, I post the
following:
Matt Sanchez's sexual orientation isn't at issue
here.
Yet your only "criticism" of his work is that he did some gay
porn.
I suspect that everything Beauchamp reported actually happened.
I also suspect that he exaggerated his stories.
Nice! It happened, but it did not happen in any fashion described.
Really nice! Do you have a BA degree?
Their asking the soldiers in Beauchamp's unit whether these
things happened is a knee-slapper.
The "knee slapper" here is Mr. Foer asking the Army to hand over
it's notes so that he can write another story, rather than TNR hand
over their notes about the folks Mr. Foer swears committed these
crimes. EVERYTHING from "Shock Troops" is a UCMJ violation under
934. ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE. Why is Mr. Foer shielding war
criminals? He says that he believes the story. If he believes it
then he is shielding grave desecrating, property destroying, sexual
harassing criminals. Why are you supporting war criminals?
Actually, I really don't care what you think any more. You have
shown your "greatness of thought" and if I want to hear any more of
it I will venture to the Student Union and listen.
Yet your only "criticism" of his work is that he did some
gay porn.
If you really believe that, then you suffer from a serious reading
comprehension problem.
Nice! It happened, but it did not happen in any fashion
described.
That's not what I wrote.
Actually, I really don't care what you think any
more.
Oh yes you do, or you wouldn't respond to what I have written.
Oh, and by the way? The spokesman for the vehicle manufacturer
did not refute TNR's version. Rather, he told the wingnut blog that
it would be imprudent to drive a vehicle in the way Beauchamp said
it was driven.
Or, to use a phrasing that wingnuts just love:
What part of I can't pretend to know what may or may not have
happened in Iraq don't you understand, Guy Montag? You people
are really desperate!
Cathy,
In TNR's latest blame tossing, they blame PV2 Beauchamp's failure
to contact them on some imagined isolation of the fellow from
communications equipment.
Earlier they demanded copies of the
DD2824s that their own "diarist" can send them any time he
likes (the sworn, signed statements) BUT the Army is prohibited by
law from releasing without PV2 Beauchamp's permission.
There is no legal reason why TNR can't release it's own
investigation. One of their "experts" was tracked down and refuted
what TNR said about him.
Now, just because the guy does not feel like talking to them it is
some sort of military "cover up". He can call his wife, a reporter
for TNR whenever he likes too.
They pulled the same nonsense last year, just look up the Howard
Kurtz Washington Post story "Mr. Wrong".
Their writers pull this nonsense everyplace they write, even at
The Examiner, where their current editors write false
stories. See "Big Shame in a Small World".
Guy, once again: What part of I can't pretend to know what
may or may not have happened in Iraq don't you understand?
Repeating the lie that "One of their 'experts' was tracked down and
refuted what TNR said about him" won't make it true.
You people are terribly desperate, aren't you?
By the way, you might be interested in what your star reporter has
been posting on
the Internet lately. Scroll down to comment #56 and click the
word "track." He's yours, Guy. All yours.
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