Radley Balko | June 28, 2007
A Northwestern University study of 290 non-capital cases in four cities found that juries arrive at the wrong verdict in about one of six cases, and judges aren't much better. It also found that the errors are more likely to send an innocent person to jail than to let a guilty person go free.
The authors caution that the study's sample size isn't large enough to be extrapolated to the entire country, but they're looking for funding for a broader study.
Via Drudge.
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What does it mean by "wrong verdict"? Damn, now I have to go
read the article, to find out if this is flamebait or not...
Okay, now I see: "We know there are errors because someone
confesses after the fact or there's DNA evidence."
The juries aren't making errors, they're just being given
insufficient evidence.
The even scarier part is that this study was conducted using samples from cases from between 2000 and 2001. Given the ever growing popularity of the "tough on crime" stance, the ever increasing falsification of evidence / stories by police and D.A.s, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened more often than one in six cases these days.
I did RTFA and there's almost no discussion as to what
constitutes a "wrong verdict".
TFA seems to suggest that the study draws probabilistic conclusions
based on the frequency of judges disagreeing with the jury's
verdict. That seems to me to be a pretty weak starting point for
claiming the verdict was wrong.
Brandybuck,
I had the same question. Here's the answer I found:
he determined the probability that a mistake was made by
looking at how often judges disagreed with the jury's
verdict.
"If they disagree they can't both be right," he
explained.
Just because a judge and jury disagree on the verdict doesn't mean
that they "both can't be right." The Judge and Jury may draw
opposite conclusions on the credibility of key witnesses, have
differing interpretations of what a "reasonable doubt" is, etc.
Just because judge and jury disagree doesn't mean that a factually
innocent man is legally convicted.
I hope they get more funding. This is an area that should be studied, as opposed to many of the areas that actually get funding and are studied.
The juries aren't making errors, they're just being given
insufficient evidence.
That doesn't mean they aren't making errors, it's just the
reason they're making errors.
Abdul, it seems to me the question is being framed like this: an
individual is either guilty of the crime or innocent of the crime.
If a judge says a defendant is guilty and the jury says he is
innocent (or visa versa), the cannot both be right, because the
defendant cannot be both guilty and innocent.
How could the judge and jury disagree on the verdict and both be
right?
I'd like to know how they calculated the probabality of a
wrongful conviction. If the judge would have given a different
verdict than the jury, that doesn't tell us whether the jury or the
judge was right.
If the judge is more likely to give a guilty verdict than the jury,
this may be because the jury does a better job of protecting the
innocent - which is what the Founding Fathers mostly
believed.
If the judge and jury are in agreement, that could mean they're
both wrong.
I'd like to know more about the study's methodology. The article is
highly uninformative in this respect.
The news article didn't make sense as noted above. Let's wait until the paper is posted online, and we can all read it. Or at least skim the abstract and pretend we read it.
Here's the abstract (I can't get at full text)
"Average accuracy of jury verdicts for a set of cases can be
studied empirically and systematically even when the correct
verdict cannot be known. The key is to obtain a second rating of
the verdict, for example, the judge's, as in the recent study of
criminal cases in the United States by the National Center for
State Courts (NCSC). That study, like the famous Kalven-Zeisel
study, showed only modest judge-jury agreement. Simple estimates of
jury accuracy can be developed from the judge-jury agreement rate;
the judge's verdict is not taken as the gold standard. Although the
estimates of accuracy are subject to error, under plausible
conditions they tend to overestimate the average accuracy of jury
verdicts. The jury verdict was estimated to be accurate in no more
than 87 percent of the NCSC cases (which, however, should not be
regarded as a representative sample with respect to jury accuracy).
More refined estimates, including false conviction and false
acquittal rates, are developed with models using stronger
assumptions. For example, the conditional probability that the jury
incorrectly convicts given that the defendant truly was not guilty
(a "Type I error") was estimated at 0.25, with an estimated
standard error (s.e.) of 0.07, the conditional probability that a
jury incorrectly acquits given that the defendant truly was guilty
("Type II error") was estimated at 0.14 (s.e. 0.03), and the
difference was estimated at 0.12 (s.e. 0.08). The estimated number
of defendants in the NCSC cases who truly are not guilty but are
convicted does seem to be smaller than the number who truly are
guilty but are acquitted. The conditional probability of a wrongful
conviction, given that the defendant was convicted, is estimated at
0.10 (s.e. 0.03)."
"Instead, he determined the probability that a mistake was
made by looking at how often judges disagreed with the jury's
verdict."
So when the judge and jury disagree, that always means the judge is
right and the jury wrong?
Incidentally, a judge who "disagrees" with a guilty verdict can
issue a JNOV - if she finds that no rational jury could convict.
What is the rate of JNOVs in our criminal courts?
Sloppy article, sloppy post.
Being able to know which verdicts were wrong is half the battle. The obvious conclusion of the study is that juries should be composed of law and statistics professors from Northwestern University.
But of course, as that tool Mitt Romney says, we shouldn't second geuss juries...EVER. Unless the guilty person is a highly connected GOP operative named "Scooter."
I would like that option.
"Would you like a bench, jury, or NW professor trial?"
I would take issue with the idea of an "incorrect" acquittal. Even if the person is guilty of the crime for which they are charged, it is entirely correct that they be acquited if the state fails to make its case properly.
Realizing the potential for abuse, I've long toyed with the idea
of professional juries. We have impaneled jurors who, can't do
math, don't understand or believe accepted science, have such poor
language skills that they cannot understand testimony, etc. That is
where we stand today.
I am still trying to figure out how the selection of full time,
professional jurors could be rationally accomplished. Any
suggestion? Any flamings? I have my asbestos jogging suit on, so
feel free.
JsubD,
Pro juries are a bad bad bad idea. I feel you on how incompetent
juries are, but they're still better than the corruption that pro
juries would be.
I think the best reform would be to eliminate voir dire. The
attempt to remove people with prejudice results in only people with
no opinions being allowed to sit on juries. In other words, all the
problems you cite are prerequisites for being a juror.
Making it tougher to get out of jury duty would also be good. As is
oft repeated, juries are filled with people too stupid to get out
of jury duty.
I think the best reform would be to eliminate voir
dire.
Think back to 12 Angry Men. How many of those jurors
demonstrated knowledge during the deliberations that would have
gotten them dismissed during voir dire if the prosecutor had
thought to ask the right question?
Warren - No insults? No ranting? An alternate solution instead of vitriol? Damn, you don't really care about me, do you? ;-)
JsD,
The masochistic said "Hurt me! hurt me!"
To which the Sadist replied "I won't"
*picks lint off chest
Yeah, but 12 Angry Men illustrates a probably incorrect
verdict. The more I see it, the more I'm convinced "guilty" was the
correct verdict. And that's without seeing the trial!
The last time I saw it was a stage prod'n at Teaneck HS with a
mixed cast, but they weren't allowed to call it Twelve Angry
Persons as they wanted to. They did, however, change the
Yankees game to a showing of Cats, which made no sense
because Cats couldn't be rained out (although it should've
been, from all I've heard of people I knew who saw it). In the cast
was student Damon Lindelof, now executive producer of
Lost.
Don't the French have something like professional jurors?
How about allowing the jurors (or judge, perhaps) to question
witnesses themselves rather than relying solely on what the
attorneys can pry out of them? There may be some obvious flaw to
that I'm not seeing, but always seemed strange that the jurors are
expected to find the truth but can't ask witnesses to clarify or
elaborate on important matters that might be confusing or
ambiguous.
There may be some obvious flaw to that I'm not seeing, but always seemed strange that the jurors are expected to find the truth but can't ask witnesses to clarify or elaborate on important matters that might be confusing or ambiguous.
If there is, I don't see it either. I seem to recall at least one
judge who allowed jurors to ask questions of witnesses. I don't
recall how it ever played out, but I assumed that it was legal.
Somebody on this forum will baill me out though. Well, maybe.
A good lawyer will make sure the biggest jerkoff idiots in the room get on the jury, and we're surprised they screw up much of the time?
The thing that bothers me is the remark that this is the
first attempt to estimate the reliability of the
system.
If we are going to rely on the accuracy of the law enforcement
system, it would be sensible to test it a bit more often.
It's about time that people know about the corrupt evil
system.
This study is a good first step. I was falsely arrested and
convicted and there are a lot of innocent people in jail. There are
no research and stuff into things like this. The police and DA's
office are incompetent evil people that lies and falsify reports to
cover up their mistakes. They do everything in their power to put
innocent people behind jail. Otherwise, god forbid, they would have
made mistakes, they might even have been wrong. Better that someone
go to jail than anyone of them of the "system" gets the
blame.
Police and people from the DA's office have personally told me that
"they ARE the LAW and they can do whatever the hell they want." The
police even tell me that are writing that they personally witnessed
me committing a crime I didn't do. All I did was said I wanted a
lawyer and then they frame me and wrote that I resisted arrest, was
on drugs and assaulted a police officer. They are evil evil people.
Police and judges lie all the time.
Juries do not know how corrupt the police and the judges can be and
how most things they are told are lies. It is not the jurors'
fault.
And this was in San Francisco. It gets worse else where.
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