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Royal With Cheese
Prince Charles finally
gives a little something to the beleagured reporters assigned
to cover him, blurting out his desire to ban McDonald's.
Charles, a strong advocate of organic food, was touring the Imperial College London Diabetes Centre in Abu Dhabi with the Duchess of Cornwall.
He asked nutritionist Nadine Tayara: "Have you got anywhere with McDonald's, have you tried getting it banned? That's the key."
Royal observers said that Charles would have been aware that his comments would be picked by the media.
"He knew there was a reporter there and this is a subject close to his heart," said one source.
Question: Why is this "the key?" Long before Ray Kroc's leviathan slithered onto Charles' shores, Britons had some of the worst dietary habits on the planet. They breakfasted on a mound of saturated fats - black pudding, sausages, the rest of the "fry-up." They drank heavy, liver-mutilating beers. They ate seafood and potatoes fried in enough oil to power a retrofitted Aston Martin. The chief evolution of British food in the last few decades was the mainstreaming of Indian cuisine, carbohydrates and barely-legal meats slathered in creamy sauces. Oh, and then there are the British hamburger chains which predate the franchising of McDonalds.
Dan T.|2.28.07 @ 10:43AM|#
I can't speak for Chuck but I think that usually in this sort of context "McDonald's" is used as a general stand-in for the junk food industry moreso than specifically as a reference to the actual company.
|2.28.07 @ 10:46AM|#
He's a Royal, which means that he's a distant ancestor of a bunch of barbarian chiefs that destroyed western civilization and gave a thousand year long dark age. Who cares what this useless, inbred moron thinks about anything.
|2.28.07 @ 10:48AM|#
I agree Robespierre, except that Chuck is a descendant, not an ancestor. Still, there must a working guillotine somewhere...
|2.28.07 @ 10:50AM|#
Robespierre--
I have no love for the sad twit, either, but your facts are
entirely wrong.
The so-called barbarians created Western Civilization, and royals
are no more inbred than most people. It's just that their
inbreeding is better documented.
|2.28.07 @ 10:56AM|#
Hearing some idiot in Europe rail against fast food makes me realize that they got the same shit over there that they got over here, they just call it by different names.
|2.28.07 @ 10:57AM|#
Great being lectured on diet by the fattest people on the
planet...
You apparently didn't get the news. Pacific Islanders are the
fattest people on earth.
Link Here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/3970684a10.html
U.K. is way down on the list...well behind the U.S.
|2.28.07 @ 10:59AM|#
Seeing as Prince Douchebag was in Abu Dhabi at a diabetes
center, you'd think he would know that banning McDonald's would
simply shift everything to the other major fast food chains there:
Hardee's, Popeye's, KFC, Subway, etc.
In fact, it's those middle two (especially KFC) that get the bulk
of business on a typical night. But, as with most things, it's the
parents (or the Filipina nannies) who allow their kids to eat
whatever the fuck they want that is the problem.
The locals think that because they have money they need to display
the spending of it. There's also the cultural tendency to believe
that girth = wealth (much like in medieval times), so conspicuous
gorging is not shunned.
Add to that the Arab sweet tooth (many of their sweets are so
loaded with sugar/honey/etc. that they make our sweets taste
bland), and you have a recipe for diabetes explosion.
|2.28.07 @ 11:04AM|#
Timon19,
When I say "We need to get rid of Bush," I'm saying:
A. We should replace him with another Republican president,
or
B. We should not elect Republican presidents.
|2.28.07 @ 11:09AM|#
When YOU'RE saying it, the answer is plain to see.
When Chuck says "Have you got anywhere with McDonald's, have you
tried getting it banned? That's the key.", the answer seems
similarly clear.
Hint: had he said "things like" somewhere in there, and "them"
instead of "it", you might have a point.
|2.28.07 @ 11:13AM|#
Timon19,
When I say "We need to get rid of Bush," I'm saying:
A. We should replace him with another Republican president,
or
B. We should not elect Republican presidents.
Whoa, joe, this comment has given me a bad case of whiplash. Did I
miss something in a previous thread?
I scanned Timon's previous comments and I saw nothing in
them about President Bush. Or any US president, for that matter.
This thread is about His Highness Prince Inbred Wanker and
McDonald's; are you so obsessed with W that you connect
everything to him?
For someone who yesterday accused me of throwing out non
sequiturs, this is rich.
Thomas Paine\'s Goiter|2.28.07 @ 11:13AM|#
Everyone has to chase some ghost. Our unattractive, uptight jerkwad chases teh evil global warming. The UK's chases teh evil hamburglar.
Thomas Paine\'s Goiter|2.28.07 @ 11:15AM|#
Chasing ghosts is the aristocracy's way of showing the common folk that they really care about something other than themselves.
Thomas Paine\'s Goiter|2.28.07 @ 11:16AM|#
Captain Holly et al:
Will you people PLEASE ignore joe? He takes every freaking topic
off-course and tries to bring attention to himself. Say it with
me:
He
is
a
troll
Just ignore his comments, or find a filter that will allow you to
block his posts.
Grotius|2.28.07 @ 11:18AM|#
Robespierre,
I'm quite fond of classical history, society, etc., indeed some
think too fond, but I will be the first to tell you that the
political entities of the classical world were just as barbaric as
any barbarian. Indeed, ask a Dacian about it some time. Oh, that's
right, you can't, since via the Roman Empire's efforts they were
(eventually) wiped out as an independent entity. See, the Dacians,
like the Gauls before them, possessed a large gold mining
industry.
If you want a graphic illustration of the slaughter (it bordered on
genocide) see Trajan's column.
|2.28.07 @ 11:21AM|#
Timon 19 (and Captain Holly, too, I guess),
Charlie has been on an anti-fast food public health kick for
sometime. It's not a grievance against McDonald's itself, but fast
food in general.
mari lup|2.28.07 @ 11:22AM|#
Silly analysis, Dave. If it were 1940 and Charles somehow held the same views he does now, he'd be agitating against all those examples of craptacular British cuisine you mention. It just happens that in 2007 McDonalds is the worst offender and the most appropriate target of Charles's campaign. The issue of whether his campaign is at all worthy is an entirely separate one which must be argued for or against on its own merits.
|2.28.07 @ 11:24AM|#
Goiter,
Funny how other people can grasp ideas in my comments, and even
consider and discuss them, while all you see is "joe wrote
something I don't like."
I don't think your contribution to the thread says very much about
me, but it says a great deal about you.
|2.28.07 @ 11:25AM|#
If you want a graphic illustration of the slaughter (it
bordered on genocide) see Trajan's column.
What newspaper or magazine does this Trajan fellow write for?
Seitz|2.28.07 @ 11:26AM|#
Meh, McDonalds sucks.
Seriously. One thing about McDonalds owned restaurants, it seems
like they go out of their way to make their food unhealthy. Take
Chipotle, for example. A vegetarian burrito has like 40 grams of
fat and 1,000 calories. VEGETARIAN!! It's like they looked at the
prototype, figured it was way too healthy, and had to find a way to
cram more fat and calories in there. What's up with that?
Seitz|2.28.07 @ 11:26AM|#
Of course, it's not like I go to fast food joints and expect to find health food, but still.
Grotius|2.28.07 @ 11:26AM|#
People are generally well aware of the choices that they have re: food. However, they often choose to exercise those choices in ways that some people don't like.
|2.28.07 @ 11:27AM|#
Right now, hundreds or thousands of people are reading this,
saying to themselves, "Wow. The prince said what I've always said.
Great minds think alike!"
The urge to rule is widespread. These same people then go forth on
voting day. Perhaps we should ban voting, which many people take as
carte blanche to lord it over their neighbors.
VM|2.28.07 @ 11:30AM|#
"Grotius | February 28, 2007, 11:26am | #
People are generally well aware of the choices that they have re:
food. However, they often choose to exercise those choices in ways
that some people don't like."
You just said a mouthful! It's exactly the "exercising of choices
in ways others don't like/approve (of)" where we see tensions that
libertarianism seeks to alleviate.
Succoring the afflicted, if you will!
It's just that fast food is such a great target for smugness, even
libertarian smugness.
[country club lockjaw] oh I nevah eat fast food [/ccl]
:)
Grotius|2.28.07 @ 11:33AM|#
D.A. Ridgely,
He also did some freelance work for the Hispania Times.
;)
|2.28.07 @ 11:33AM|#
Grotius,
That's a pretty good rule of thumb, but Seitz makes a good point.
"Most people" make the decision to buy McDonald's food based on the
health effects of eating an actual hamburger and some actual french
fries. Mickey Dee's food, however, is a lot less healthy than the
non-McDonald's, real-world version. They go out of their way to
introduce extra fat, sugar, and salt into their recipes, beyond
what a person reasonably understands that particular food item to
contain.
Ever see what goes into their "shakes?"
|2.28.07 @ 11:36AM|#
I love Chipolte; I even like the weird half-Aztec
/half-industrial decor.
James A. Merritt,
I don't think we have to worry about McDonald's in particular or
fast food in general being banned; those places are way too
popular, people would not stand for it. Of course, I also thought
Bush or the Supreme Court was going to stop McCain-Feingold...
|2.28.07 @ 11:37AM|#
Grotius,
You will be amused that I did actually have to Google "Trajan's
column" to, um, refresh my memory. (Yeah. That's right!
That's the ticket!) Even better, though, was the
following, irony oblivious sentence I found in the article I
clicked:
The
construction and finishing of Trajan's column was a monumental
task.
Grotius|2.28.07 @ 11:38AM|#
Sorry, I'm just taken by the idea of Trajan as a newspaper columnist. That would make for an interesting novel.
tijjer|2.28.07 @ 11:38AM|#
Madpad, according to that link over 74% of the US population is
obese. I don't recall ever having read a number that high before.
The CDC number is about 22%, with about 65% being either overweight
(BMI 25-30) or obese (BMI 30+).
I realize that the CDC and WHO are two different sources, but I
can't see why there would be such a disparity in the data.
|2.28.07 @ 11:44AM|#
"Obese" is like "poor," a useful category, the usefullness of which is limited by the fact that everyone disagrees where the line between "obese" and "not obese" is to be drawn.
Grotius|2.28.07 @ 11:47AM|#
D.A. Ridgely,
Well, the war against Dacia paid for a lot of public monuments,
etc. in Rome. Just as the sacking of Jerusalem during the 1st
century CE paid for the Colisseum (amongst other things).
But now I am way off topic!
|2.28.07 @ 11:48AM|#
When did Vegetarian become synonymous with Low Calorie? My eggplant parm and my vegetarian lasagna will fatten you up in no time.
VM|2.28.07 @ 11:51AM|#
"mitch | February 28, 2007, 11:44am | #
"Obese" is like "poor," a useful category, the usefullness of which
is limited by the fact that everyone disagrees where the line
between "obese" and "not obese" is to be drawn.
Grotius | February 28, 2007, 11:47am | #
D.A. Ridgely,
Well, the war against Dacia paid for a lot of public monuments,
etc. in Rome. Just as the sacking of Jerusalem during the 1st
century CE paid for the Colisseum (amongst other things).
But now I am way off topic!
MP | February 28, 2007, 11:48am | #
When did Vegetarian become synonymous with Low Calorie? My eggplant
parm and my vegetarian lasagna will fatten you up in no
time."
One of these posts is not like the other :)
|2.28.07 @ 11:54AM|#
They go out of their way to introduce extra fat, sugar, and
salt into their recipes, beyond what a person reasonably
understands that particular food item to contain.
Ever see what goes into their "shakes?"
Oh yeah...the intent was clearly there...clearly. Ever stop to
think that they simply didn't give a crap about calories when they
invented things like their shakes? They cared about three
things:
1) Efficiency
2) Reproducibility
3) Yumminess
Grotius|2.28.07 @ 11:54AM|#
joe,
How would it compare to the sodium content (to take one variable)
in say a frozen dinner or a can of soup?
I. Self. Divine.|2.28.07 @ 11:54AM|#
MP: You owe me a new keyboard. The thought of eggplant parm this close to lunch...
|2.28.07 @ 11:57AM|#
I don't get the deal over sodium content. Besides contributing to high blood pressure and causing a person to retain more water, what is so bad about having a lot of it in your diet? Anyone? Bueller?
Grotius|2.28.07 @ 12:01PM|#
smacky,
Blondes and those who play the cello will never understand the
dangers of sodium! ;)
|2.28.07 @ 12:02PM|#
VM might not win first place at the internet (that's Stevo Darkly's role) but he definitely medals.
|2.28.07 @ 12:06PM|#
MP,
"Ever stop to think that they simply didn't give a crap about
calories when they invented things like their shakes?" No, that's
really something I've need to "stop to think" about. It's rather
obvious, isn't it?
Grotius,
"How would it compare to the sodium content (to take one variable)
in say a frozen dinner or a can of soup?" I suppose it would
depend, though they are pretty high in sodium, too.
Gray Ghost|2.28.07 @ 12:06PM|#
Sorry, I'm just taken by the idea of Trajan as a newspaper
columnist. That would make for an interesting novel.
Indeed, with
Messalina as Deep Throat.
Sorry, were you guys talking about food?
tros|2.28.07 @ 12:08PM|#
God save the Queen
The fascist regime
they made you a moron...
made a lot of people on this side of the pond a moron, too. I'm
glad we're 6 years behind their police state.
|2.28.07 @ 12:14PM|#
I realize that the CDC and WHO are two different sources,
but I can't see why there would be such a disparity in the
data.
Can't explain it, there tijjer.
|2.28.07 @ 12:15PM|#
If you get a hankering for a burger in London, hit an American
fast food chain.
Avoid a British burger at all costs!
McDonald's sucks, you say? Nuts to you!
Sure, I prefer Portillo's or Culver's or any of those premium
burger chains, but McDonald's does what McDonald's does very
well.
Full disclosure: I own a few shares of MCD
Grotius|2.28.07 @ 12:18PM|#
highnumber,
Some of the best hambugers I've ever had were here:
http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/north-america/mexico/guanajuato/restaurant-detail.html?vid=1154654641314
|2.28.07 @ 12:27PM|#
joe,
"Charlie has been on an anti-fast food public health kick for
sometime. It's not a grievance against McDonald's itself, but fast
food in general."
If that's so, then why did he explicitly avoid framing it that way,
to the implied exclusion of worse places like Hardee's (home of the
Six-Dollar Burger line [different names in different
countries])?
In fact, if he's been on a general anti-fast food crusade for
years, one would think he'd AVOID clearly singling out only one
offender.
Gray Ghost|2.28.07 @ 12:27PM|#
Grr. Didn't think I could screw up Ctr-C, Ctr-V.
Ahh, I see. Blog software can't handle percentage sign
characters.
Let's try this
instead...
4th para down should be a blurb on who she was. I can't seem to
find a classical source for her contest with Scylla, other than the
I, Claudius play.
On burgers, no one's being forced to eat McDonalds, are they? And I
would think that the general knowledge that---while they aren't the
healthiest thing ever---they aren't hazardous for you would
preclude regulation, we all know that the slippery slope is alive
and well in public health. Particularly in the knife-fearing
U.K.
As Lamar said, wake me when Chuck comes out against fois gras.
|2.28.07 @ 12:31PM|#
Timon 19,
For the same reasons Wal Mart gets singled out by...well, by a
whole host of activists. They're the biggest, best-known
target.
Grotius|2.28.07 @ 12:37PM|#
Gray Ghost,
One of the problems with understanding women in the classical world
is that we generally lack sources written by them. We do have
roadside markers about them ("Paulina was an awesome woman who
lived up to Roman values.") as well as comments by Roman men about
women. For example I wanna say that Pliny the Younger wrote about
his wife learning enough to understand what a cool guy he was.
|2.28.07 @ 12:38PM|#
"Ever stop to think that they simply didn't give a crap
about calories when they invented things like their shakes?" No,
that's really something I've need to "stop to think" about. It's
rather obvious, isn't it?
You would think it is obvious. Yet you accused them of
intentionally adding high caloric ingredients as a matter of
policy.
They go out of their way to introduce extra fat, sugar, and
salt into their recipes, beyond what a person reasonably
understands that particular food item to contain.
They don't "go out of their way". They have a clear objective, and
their recipes reflect that.
|2.28.07 @ 12:41PM|#
They go out of their way to introduce extra fat, sugar, and
salt into their recipes, beyond what a person reasonably
understands that particular food item to contain.
I fail to see how this sentence is compatible with anything other
than state control of recipes and diet.
|2.28.07 @ 12:45PM|#
joe,
I think you're suggesting that McDonald's is so huge, that it has
ceased being a name brand and is now (mis)used as a standard noun,
much like Kleenex (or rather, "kleenex").
But if that's the case, even your WalMart example doesn't work.
|2.28.07 @ 12:45PM|#
Grotius,
I could never bring myself to eat a burger where there was so much
yummy Mexican food around.
Isn't it a pity? A burger I'll never try.
Gray Ghost|2.28.07 @ 12:46PM|#
One of the problems with understanding women in the
classical world is that we generally lack sources written by them.
We do have roadside markers about them ("Paulina was an awesome
woman who lived up to Roman values.") as well as comments by Roman
men about women.
True, but a story as notorious as her contest you'd think would be
repeated either by Suetonius for its trashiness or Juvenal to
buttress his points
about corruption.
|2.28.07 @ 12:55PM|#
MP,
"You would think it is obvious. Yet you accused them of
intentionally adding high caloric ingredients as a matter of
policy."
The two are not remotely contradictory. They intentionally added
hich caloric ingredients as a matter of policy, and didn't give a
crap, because doing so made the food do better in the taste tests.
I never claimed that they added high-calorie ingredients for the
sheer joy of raising the calorie count!
R C,
"I fail to see how this sentence is compatible with anything other
than state control of recipes and diet." Yes, I know you do. You
should get over that - it's a real intellectual shortcoming that
you consistently judge theh truth and value of a statement by its
ideological implications. Bin Laden as a Saddam ally, anyone?
|2.28.07 @ 1:00PM|#
The two are not remotely contradictory. They intentionally
added hich caloric ingredients as a matter of policy, and didn't
give a crap, because doing so made the food do better in the taste
tests. I never claimed that they added high-calorie ingredients for
the sheer joy of raising the calorie count!
The problem I still have with your statement is a matter of implied
intent. If you were to state "They intentionally added ingredients,
some of which happened to be highly caloric, as a matter of
policy...", then I wouldn't take issue with your comments.
Gray Ghost|2.28.07 @ 1:01PM|#
Further aside, isn't the Internet a kick in the ass? I went to a
public high school, which means the closest exposure I got to
Juvenal was when the guy next to me in 3rd period got yanked out of
class for dealing acid.
And yet, in trying to figure out a source for some dimly remembered
story of a Roman gangbang, I'm able to find a full-text translation
of Juvenal's Satires, a 17th Century operetta, and Suetonius's
writings---with criticism and commentary---at the snap of my
fingers. Absolutely amazing.
Returning to Weigel's topic, where is the "best" hamburger that
y'all have had? I'll give a plug in Houston to Guy's Meat Market
(11AM until they're gone, to-go only) and Rudyard's Pub if you want
to sit and enjoy.
They intentionally added hich caloric ingredients as a matter
of policy, and didn't give a crap, because doing so made the food
do better in the taste tests.
Again, provided McDonalds discloses what's in their burgers (and
for me, that's even a negotiable point), who cares if they added
calories or not? If you know the damn thing has 1500 calories, and
eat it anyway, why is McDonalds the bad guy for you getting fat?
Are we claiming an addiction here, like cigarettes?
mediageek|2.28.07 @ 1:05PM|#
"They intentionally added hich caloric ingredients as a
matter of policy, and didn't give a crap, because doing so made the
food do better in the taste tests."
OH NOES! NOT MORE CALORIES FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING THINGS TASTE
BETTER!
My God, the horror.
|2.28.07 @ 1:10PM|#
MP,
Ah, but the ingredients didn't "happen to be" high in fat, salt,
and sugar. The fact that they were high in fat, salt, and sugar is
what made them useful additives.
Grotius,
"If you know the damn thing has 1500 calories, and eat it anyway,
why is McDonalds the bad guy for you getting fat?" I thought I
explained this pretty clearly in my 11:33 post.
mediageek,
Easy there big fella.
Grotius|2.28.07 @ 1:16PM|#
Gray Ghost,
You always have to take a lot of the bitching with a grain of salt.
In a lot of ways the Rome of the emporers was a significant
improvement on the Rome of the republic. Indeed, a lot of the
comments on corruption, "bread and circuses," etc. are quite
clearly partly hyperbole.
joe,
I didn't write that "1500 calories" remark.
mediageek|2.28.07 @ 1:17PM|#
Uh, Joe, dude, I'm not quite sure how to put this, so I'm just
going to post it outright:
In my last post, I was mocking you.
|2.28.07 @ 1:23PM|#
Returning to Weigel's topic, where is the "best" hamburger
that y'all have had?
Call me crazy, but I absolutely love Carl's Jr. Since we don't have
them here in Maryland, whenever I am near a Carl's I have to get a
burger.
Grotius|2.28.07 @ 1:23PM|#
highnumber,
When I lived in Guanajuato one of my favorite dishes was pollo con
mole.
|2.28.07 @ 1:24PM|#
I can't believe no one has mentioned this, but as a
homebrewer:
English beers (Browns, Milds, Old Ales, IPAs, Bitters) are
generally lower in alcohol than their German counterparts, both of
which are soft drinks compared to Belgian beer. You can mock the
Brits' crappy food all you like, but their beer is THE reason to
drink beer. Most English beers are neither heavy or
liver-mutilating, and those that are aren't the beverages of the
common people.
So there.
|2.28.07 @ 1:29PM|#
mediageek,
Ditto. I was trying to draw you out, into a complete thought. Hey,
a guy can hope.
GRotius,
Oops. Grey Ghost, "If you know the damn thing has 1500 calories,
and eat it anyway, why is McDonalds the bad guy for you getting
fat?" I thought I explained this pretty clearly in my 11:33
post.
|2.28.07 @ 1:30PM|#
Best burger: organic free range ground beef, grilled at home. Grilled. No Mom-burgers.
|2.28.07 @ 1:33PM|#
OK, joe, I can see how a McDonald's burger might contain far more sugar, fat, and whatnot than an uninformed person might expect. But if they put the info out there, via pamphlets, websites, etc., and if concerned citizens of various stripes (journalists, activists, documentarians, and whatnot) put the info out there in the media, at some point the "How would anybody know?" excuse wears thin.
mediageek|2.28.07 @ 1:34PM|#
Not sure what a Mom-burger is, but I'll take a burger made from
elk.
Organic, free-range, and much better flavor than beef.
In the words of the delectably cute Rachael Ray "Yum-O!"
mediageek|2.28.07 @ 1:38PM|#
I had an Ostrich burger once, but I suspect it was far too
overdone. The meat was dry and tough.
I'd give it another shot if the opportunity arose, though.
|2.28.07 @ 1:38PM|#
thoreau,
I'm not putting it out there as an excuse.
Just putting the information out there. As you suggest, making
their practices widely know is the appropriate action to
take.
I had an elk burger a couple of weeks ago, mediageek! Yummy.
Although I imagine it would make a tough steak, ground up it was
quite flavorful.
|2.28.07 @ 1:40PM|#
Yeah, joe, but at this point I think everybody pretty much knows
that fast food is packed with way more calories than any sane
person would consume on a regular basis. Well, kids might not know
that, but adults (i.e. parents) certainly should know that fast
food is a sometimes food.
So what's your point?
|2.28.07 @ 1:43PM|#
thoreau,
I disagree. I don't think most people realize that the crap
McDonald's sells is any different nutritionally than its real-world
analogue. How many people figure a shake = milk, ice cream, and
flavoring?
A veggie burritto at 1500 calories? C'mon, that's ridiculous. No
normal person is going to read "veggie burritto" and assume it
contains half a day's worth of calories.
Timothy|2.28.07 @ 1:45PM|#
1 lb ground beef
2 Anaheim peppers
2 cloves garlic
1/4 of an onion
1-2 oz Maker's Mark
Oatmeal or bread crumbs to bind
Finely chop peppers, garlic and onion. Allow to soak in liquor at
room temperature for 10-20 minutes. Pour that over the meat, work
it around until it's evenly distributed throughout. Add enough of
whatever you're using to bind the patties (I like oatmeal), and
work together into 2-4 balls which can be shaped into
patty's.
Grill
Place on bun with fixings.
DEVOUR!
|2.28.07 @ 1:55PM|#
I've got a friend who says McDonald's shoves food down his throat with their advertising. Yep, he's a retard.
muchsarcasm|2.28.07 @ 1:57PM|#
This all makes sense. Prince Charles wants homeopathy to be a major part of the national health care system; and to cover up how useless homeopathy is he needs to make sure not a single person eats a single unhealthy thing ever.
|2.28.07 @ 2:02PM|#
Best burger:
Goldyburgers
Forest Park, IL
Est sometime prior to prohibition
Dankest little place around. I love everything about it.
Go for the Goldymelt.
Special Ed|2.28.07 @ 2:04PM|#
PAUL!!! I am nott. Noh. My teacher sayz I'm special. That's why
the skuul is named for me.
Special Ed.
|2.28.07 @ 2:18PM|#
A veggie burritto at 1500 calories? C'mon, that's
ridiculous. No normal person is going to read "veggie burritto" and
assume it contains half a day's worth of calories.
It weighs one pound. No one should be surprised that one pound of
rice and beans and cheese is 1,000+ calories.
And way to add 400 calories from thin air, joe.
|2.28.07 @ 2:24PM|#
Eh...the only Prince worth paying any attentiont to stands about 5'6" and is way fond of purple.
|2.28.07 @ 2:25PM|#
"You would think it is obvious. Yet you accused them of
intentionally adding high caloric ingredients as a matter of
policy."
The two are not remotely contradictory. They intentionally added
hich caloric ingredients as a matter of policy, and didn't give a
crap, because doing so made the food do better in the taste tests.
I never claimed that they added high-calorie ingredients for the
sheer joy of raising the calorie count!
This isn't a point to expend a lot of energy on, but just for the
naughty joy of it, I'd like to remind joe he said that MacDonald's
"went out of their way" to add fat and sugar to their food,
implying that it was not in pursuit of a legitimate business goal,
but for the sheer malevolent deviltry of it.
You wouldn't have said that MacDonald's "went out of their way" to
make their food low-cost, efficient to serve, and tasty to their
customers.
dhex|2.28.07 @ 2:33PM|#
"I fail to see how this sentence is compatible with anything
other than state control of recipes and diet."
oh c'mon. i know it's joe, and you guys are like spy v spy and all,
but c'mon. CMON.
i can say "mcdonalds makes awful fucking food that is shitty for
you and boy do they suck" and not mean anything other than "man,
people shouldn't eat that shit."
dhex|2.28.07 @ 2:34PM|#
also the best burgers are my own. a bit of soy sauce, garlic and rosemary mixed into the meat. de-fucking-licious.
|2.28.07 @ 2:41PM|#
You take ground beef, soy sauce, garlic, and a bit of teriyaki sauce, mix them, form patties, grill the burger. Then serve with a grilled pineapple ring and teriyaki sauce.
|2.28.07 @ 2:44PM|#
Someday I'd like to try this: A quarter-pound burger topped with bleu cheese, bacon, and a filet mignon.
|2.28.07 @ 2:47PM|#
Ever see what goes into their "shakes?"
Milk and soft-serve ice cream.
You really want to ban something based on something your sister's
cousin's former roommate hard about on the radio once?
|2.28.07 @ 2:50PM|#
thoreau,
Look at it this way: any sane person in American knows that there
is a restaurant chain called "McDonald's" that sells these items
called "burgers," "fries," and "McNuggets." They've probably seen
numerous McDonald's in their daily lives. In short, the information
is already availabe.
And yet, McDonald's spends millions of dollars telling people about
this information, which is already available. Why? Because they
want their information to be well-known and memorable, not just
available, to increase the chances that larger numbers of people
will incorporate this knowledge into the decisions, and behave the
way McDonald's wants them to.
|2.28.07 @ 2:54PM|#
Stevo,
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much energy expended on a
po-mo studies-level close reading of the phrase "...goes out of
their way." Ooh, I used "phrase" instead of "term." What does that
mean?
dagny,
"Milk and soft-serve ice cream." Not when I worked there.
|2.28.07 @ 2:58PM|#
Prince Charles would have no problem with McDonald's if only they used Grey Poupon.
|2.28.07 @ 3:16PM|#
dagny,
"Milk and soft-serve ice cream." Not when I worked there.
Vanilla Reduced Fat Ice Cream: Milk, sugar, cream,
nonfat milk solids, corn syrup solids, mono- and diglycerides, guar
gum, dextrose, sodium citrate, artificial vanilla flavor, sodium
phosphate, carrageenan, disodium phosphate, cellulose gum, vitamin
A palmitate. CONTAINS: MILK. Vanilla Syrup: Corn
syrup, water, natural flavor (plant source), caramel color, citric
acid, pectin, sodium benzoate (preservative), yellow 5, yellow
6.
From McD's themselves
|2.28.07 @ 3:28PM|#
I should add that the 12oz (small) shake contains 420kcal
of which 90 are derived from fat.
This compares favorably with an "all natural" ice cream like
Breyer's Natural Vanilla (Ingredients: MILK, CREAM, SUGAR,
NATURAL FLAVOR, NATURAL TARA GUM). At 8oz of icecream (say the
other 4oz in the shake is lower calorie/fat milk) the Breyers would
contain 280kcal of which 120 are from fat. In other words, the
McDonald's shake contains more sugars(hence more kcal) but much
less fat, all of which is saturated fat BTW.
VM|2.28.07 @ 3:39PM|#
Gro:
Foie Gras would make vegemite tasty :)
p.s., please keep reminding anybody else from Chicagoland about our
idiot (and now, newly-re-elected) Aldermen who voted to ban F.G
from here! (grrrr)
|2.28.07 @ 3:44PM|#
Kwix,
I haven't worked there since the early 1990s. McDonald's made a
rather big deal when they changed the ingredients in the
shakes.
|2.28.07 @ 3:45PM|#
I should say, when they changed the ingredients in their shakes in response to public pressure.
|2.28.07 @ 3:52PM|#
My name iz shake-zula
The mic-rulah
The old schoolah
Ya wanna trip,
I'll bring it to ya
|2.28.07 @ 3:53PM|#
This bullshit of trying to make the "royal" family relevant is simply too sickening to comprehend. If you saw "The Queen" you know that Elizabeth is the last royal that can possibly have any (grudging) respect from me. And that is only because of her connection to George VI and the family's great performance during WWII. The rest of them are a bunch of jerk offs. And, I am going to eat at McDonalds tonight even if it kills my fat ass.
Grotius|2.28.07 @ 4:06PM|#
"To me, life without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living." - Anthony Bourdain, Kitchen Confidential, pg. 70
|2.28.07 @ 4:24PM|#
VM,
Didn't we get good news?
I know Natarus lost, and I think Stone has to face a runoff.
Aren't they the two biggest pricks? (I mean as far as telling me
what I can eat.)
The foie gras ban ain't so bad so far in reality.
I think more restaurants have started serving since the ban took
effect. It's a badge of honor for them to post the warnings to stop
serving it. I don't see what case the city would have. After all,
they're not selling foie gras. They're giving it away with
$15 salads.
Problem, of course, is that the city council could change the
wording of the law and put some teeth in it, and then we'd have
problems.
VM|2.28.07 @ 4:41PM|#
High#:
Stone does? Cool.
Yeah - the one chef who was on Iron Chef recently got busted for
the $15 salad. My favorite restaurant, Allen's Cafe
(allenscafe.com) is following the rules, but Chef Allen is working
via the legal route.
We could distract the council, "Look! Baby Graft!" and they'd be a
runnin!
mediageek|2.28.07 @ 4:46PM|#
"I haven't worked there since the early 1990s. "
Joe, how old are you? (Preparing to have to change my mental
image...)
|2.28.07 @ 4:59PM|#
mediageek,
I cast my first vote for Tsongas in the 92 primary.
So, did you think I was an aging hippie or a sophmore?
|2.28.07 @ 5:06PM|#
This bullshit of trying to make the "royal" family relevant
is simply too sickening to comprehend.
The last "relevant" British royal was George III. Despite his
reputation on this side of the lake, he is considered one of the
better British monarchs, doing much to rescue Britain from the
mismanagement of the two preceding Georges. He was the last British
monarch to exercise any significant degree of real power.
Since then, the royals have been transformed into highly paid
performance artists.
dhex|2.28.07 @ 5:08PM|#
so what was the shake shakeup about? (i was a bit too young to remember the late 80s with great detail or clarity.)
VM|2.28.07 @ 5:25PM|#
High#:
Moore (49) was the worst one WRT Big Box and Foie G. laws. :) He's
facing a runoff
April 17th
To quote one of his opponents:
' "We don't have stores to shop at here, we still have crime
problems, our affordable housing is disappearing and this guy is
introducing legislation for ducks," said Gordon'
cliky
woo hoo!
mediageek|2.28.07 @ 5:37PM|#
"So, did you think I was an aging hippie or a
sophmore?"
Neither.
Always sort of had a mental picture of a middle-aged guy who wears
a tweed sport coat with patches on the elbows.
Maybe with a bow tie.
|2.28.07 @ 5:57PM|#
VM,
Did you notice that the video on the side of the Trib web page
about the runoffs? I'm talking about the one with Natarus thanking
his supporters.
Who does he look like there?
I'm thinking of a couple of people morphed into one. Do you know
what two people I'm thinking of?
VM|2.28.07 @ 6:06PM|#
High#:
I didn't - my web filter turned all of that to a bunch of
hyperlinks. Will seek it out!
|2.28.07 @ 6:34PM|#
I'll end the suspense.
He looks like Gov. George Ryan dressed up in a Michael Moore
Costume.
|2.28.07 @ 7:56PM|#
For the burger-curious, here's a video about Dyer's in Memphis,
famous for deep frying its burgers, legend having it that the
grease hasn't been changed since 1912:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid340430154
Best line: "Have you had your vitamin G today? The G stands for
grease."
|2.28.07 @ 10:51PM|#
Not that it matters much, but I'll never get to use this
information anywhere again, at least until Elizabeth II dies, by
which time I'll have forgotten.
I once counted Charles' great-great-great grandparents (the Queen
Victoria level.) Of the 32 positions, 12 were the same two people,
George III and his wife. Adding in George II reduced the count by
another six. So, Charles has only about half the ancestors he's
supposed to have. That might explain his behavior.
|3.1.07 @ 12:57PM|#
Cheeseburgers at Boston Blackies in Chicago, one of the best burgers anywhere. About half a pound of meaty, cheddary, sauteed onion goodness -- Jesus ti**y-f***ing Christ is it good.
Gray Ghost|3.2.07 @ 10:05AM|#
Thanks for the rest. recommendations and thanks thoreau and timothy for the recipes.
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