Jacob Sullum | February 5, 2007
Masterfoods promises to
stop marketing its candy, which includes Snickers, Mars bars, Twix,
M&Ms, and Starburst, to kids under the age of 12. It's not
clear what this will mean in practice, since it's hard to imagine
an ad that appeals to 12-year-olds but not 11-year-olds, and
grocery stores presumably will not be establishing age restrictions
for the aisles and checkout lanes where Masterfoods' products are
on display. The company may be hoping to forestall
regulatory action (threatened in the U.K., among other places), but
it will probably only encourage its critics by accepting their
premise that children should be shielded from candy
promotion while failing to deliver an effective shield.
According to the Financial Times story (available online only to subscribers), "The measure reflects mounting concerns about the links between advertising and childhood obesity." It's amazing how easily these "links" are taken for granted, given how little evidence there is that kids see more ads for junk food nowadays than they did when they were thinner, or that they like such food because of the ads, or that they are overweight because they eat such food. I can still recite from memory the jingles and slogans for candy, sugary cereal, snack cakes, and ice cream I saw when I was a kid, but they don't necessarily correspond to the brands I actually ate. And while I did consume a tremendous amount of crap as a kid, I was never fat, and neither were most of my friends, who ate diets equally heavy in foods of questionable nutritional value. Presumably that was because we burned off all those empty calories riding our bikes, playing tag, and climbing trees. Judging from my daughters, both of whom like candy even if they haven't seen it on TV, it is still possible to consume these products without getting fat. So I don't see how candy bars, let alone candy bar ads, can explain weight trends in children during the last couple of decades.
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In the current climate, companies are obviously finding it easier to capitulate than fight in court, whether its Masterfoods or Turner Broadcasting. How this will play out is anyone's guess (and yeah, I'd like to see one of these all-powerful evil corporations give the finger, but it doesn't seem to be coming).
Standing up to government is bad for a single business, but good
for all businesses.
Businesses should unionize against the government...
Just once, I'd like to see one of these companies to respond
with, "Thank you very much for your recent comments and
suggestions. We appreciate your interest in our delicious and
nutritious products, but at this time we cannot accede to your
demands to restrict our speech on the basis of your oppressive and
intellectually stunted ideological agenda and in response we would
kindly ask you to fuck off."
Just. Once.
Holy moly. The company I work for is owned by Mars Inc.
We make a line of health food, marketed almost exclusively to the
under 12 consumers.
http://www.royalcanin.us/
Surely this was in the realm of the reductio ad absurdum just a few years ago...? I hope someone can dig up damning quotes from people who called folks like Sullum alarmist. "Banning tobacco ads aimed at children is nothing like banning candy bar ads; don't be ridiculous, that could never happen!"
I was at a movie theater yesterday. They had some of those
candies on display at the concession stand. Some of the movies at
the theater are intended for children, and the kids have to walk
right past that display on their way to the movie.
Is that considered "marketing to minors"?
Maybe they changed the ingredients in the candy bars
somehow.
It is also possible that this move is seen as maximizing profits in
the long run, gov't action or no gov't action.
If diabetes keeps going up, then parents can be expected to enact
strong rules against candybars -- treting them more and more like
cigarettes as the diabetes rates approaches the rates of lung
cancer and diabetes.
Is there a way Masterfoods could haive handled this business
decision that you would not see as capitulation to hypothetical
gov't action, Mr. Sullum?
"treting them more and more like cigarettes as the diabetes
rates approaches the rates of lung cancer and diabetes."
--treating them more and more like cigarettes as the diabetes rates
approaches the rates of lung cancer and emphysema.--
Perhaps it has something to do with the suffocating zealotry masquerading as parenting in this country.
There are 23 grams of corn syrup in ten candy bars. 23 children
are diagnosed every 23 days with diabetes. "Diabetes" has eight
letters in it. Eight times three is 24, which is also a tv show
whose star has 16 letters in his name. 16 times two is 32, which is
just 23 backwards.
Can't you seee?
It's actually pretty reasonable to assert that they see more than they used to, since the average TV consumption has gone up, as has the average number of ads per slot. Proving a link is a step beyond that, however.
Hey Sam! Glad to see you're still kicking around.... I think JW
answered your question to Sullum quite adequately.
Don't be such a stranger!
Is that considered "marketing to minors"?
Of course it is. Anything that makes children aware of candy makes
them mind-controlled, bloated, diabetic monstrosities.
given how little evidence there is... that they like such
food because of the ads
Are you saying that it's a market failure for candy companies to
spend all that money in advertising?
"Steve Dallas (formerly of Deathtongue) | February 5, 2007,
6:06pm | #
Perhaps it has something to do with the suffocating zealotry
masquerading as parenting in this country."
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
[background voice] we can't do that, Tippy [/bgv]
Are you saying that it's a market failure for candy
companies to spend all that money in advertising?
Ooh, nice one! :)
clone12, even if the marketing doesn't create the desire for sweets, it is a sucessful marketing campaign if it directs an existing desire towards the advertised products. The kid already wants sugar. The ad makes him want X brand of sugary junk.
Are you saying that it's a market failure for candy
companies to spend all that money in advertising?
The purpose of the ads may be to get kids to buy the advertiser's
candy rather than a competitors'. Maybe it's encourage them to want
more of it too, I'll grant you that, but kids sure don't
like candy just because of the ads. Candy companies don't
have the kids' welfare as their top priority, of course, but that
doesn't mean their ads are the only or primary reason kids eat
candy. Hell, I've seen the women I work with give candy to their
months old toddlers because they think it's so cute!
clone12,
Not necessarily - candy companies don't advertise to increase
demand for candy in general. They do it to increase demand for the
candy that they sell. In other words, he may be saying that they
are spending money on marketing in order to capture a larger piece
of a pie, the size of which they are not able to influence.
Mmm . . . pie.
Maybe it's encourage them to want more of it too, I'll grant
you that, but kids sure don't like candy just because of the
ads.
Since you granted my point, it is only fair that I grant yours...
aside from the fact that I agree with you on this respect to begin
with :-)
I guess my biggest point of respectful disagreement with y'all is
with the efficacy of advertising.
In a country where there are 100% cynical libertarians, a Chevy ad
that resorts to flag-waving alone probably won't sell a whole lot
of trucks. But given that the ad campaign went the whole 9 yards, I
think it's safe to say the ad sold some trucks to the 97%
non-libertarians tha makes up the general population.
If adults are willing to buy cars based on nothing but
nationalistic sentiments evoked by commericial jingos, why would 8
year-old kids not be swayed by dancing rabbits?
This doesn't mean commercials therefore need to be banned or
regulated, but the simple fact that a lot of money is spent on
advertizing is an indication just how effective they are, IMHO
"Are you saying that it's a market failure for candy companies
to spend all that money in advertising?"
Other's have already made the appropriate responses, but I'd like
to point out that even if the assumptions behind the question were
true, ths would not be an example of "market failure." It would be
an example of an error.
One company spending million of dollars for nothing is an
error.
Thousands of companies spending billions of dollars systematically
on the exact same thing for nothing in return is a market
failure.
The measure reflects mounting concerns about the links
between advertising and childhood obesity.
Yes, it is a scientific fact that children never liked candy prior
to the advent of advertising. Only nefarious corporate mind control
causes children to desire sweets. My modest proposal is to blind
the children so that their innocent little eyes are spared the
horrid spectacle tempting them to their doom.
Thousands of companies spending billions of dollars
systematically on the exact same thing for nothing in return is a
market failure.
Unless you are in the business of selling ads. Then its a fucking
gold mine.
The Onion, August 2000:
"The five-state class-action suit accused Hershey's of "knowingly
and willfully marketing rich, fatty candy bars containing chocolate
and other ingredients of negligible nutritional value." The company
was also charged with publishing nutritional information only under
pressure from the government, marketing products to
children,..."
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28407
Adam, I just blogged that, and credited you:
http://highclearing.com/index.php/archives/2007/02/06/5910
The Onion has been America's unintentional prophet for
years.
Still waiting for the Bush invasion of West Nile, though.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27720
These health nazi lefties have to realize that all they're doing
is creating a whole new generation of black marketers. Can you
imagine being a kid with a locker full of candy? You would have a
goldmine, as long as you're clever about it.
Long live the Free Black Market.
Still waiting for the Bush invasion of West Nile,
though.
Bush invading Sudan via the Red Sea isn't far-fetched.
Over the last several years, concerns have been expressed by
governments and parents about the marketing of products to
children.
Mars believes it is important to listen to concerns and respond
directly, in keeping with our desire to support the paramount role
of parents in making purchasing decisions about foods on behalf of
their children.
We have therefore decided we will not direct communications about
our core food and confectionery products to children under the age
of 12, with the exception of our 'better for you' products which
meet regional nutritional guidelines, where the cut-off will be
nine years of age.
Also, we will not participate in promotions primarily directed to
children under 12, again with the exception of products we intend
to develop to meet the specific nutritional interests of
children.
What kind of world are we living in where marketing candy to
kids is frowned upon? Candy is for kids. Candy is one of
the best things about being a kid, and they should be allowed to
revel in all its sticky, gooey, sugary wonderment. I mean, their
teeth are gonna fall out and get replaced with new ones anyway. And
they should get enough exercise; otherwise all that candy might
lead to unwanted weight gain.
Candy and exercise: two great things that go together.
being the resident antitrust libertarian, i would also point out
that this wouldn't be a big deal except for the fact that
Masterfoods is so big.
if you are interested in reading about some of the things that
consolidation did to the candy bar market in the US, then I
heartily recommend:
Candyfreak by Steve Almond. It is mostly a book about old men (and
a woman or 3) who run dying factories, but old men who run dying
factories is a surprisingly interesting topic.
"It's amazing how easily these "links" are taken for
granted, given how little evidence there is that kids see more ads
for junk food nowadays than they did when they were thinner, or
that they like such food because of the ads, or that they are
overweight because they eat such food. "
These things are taken for granted because they are painfully
obvious to most people. Not that it's the sole factor but if you're
disputing that eating lots of high-calorie food makes you fat then
it's kind of hard to take you seriously on your other points.
Mr. Sullum's post is Reason logic at it's finest: "This is a
problem that the government shouldn't try to solve. There's very
little evidence that the problem is caused by what appears to cause
it. Besides, it's not a problem anyway. I mean, it wasn't a problem
in the past when the world was a different place. If people would
just do things to solve the problem, we wouldn't have the problem,
etc."
These things are taken for granted because they are
painfully obvious to most people. Not that it's the sole factor but
if you're disputing that eating lots of high-calorie food makes you
fat then it's kind of hard to take you seriously on your other
points.
I think that the link being criticized is not the link between
candy and obesity but the link between ads and obesity.
I for one think that kids should eat candy. Lots of it. So long as
they don't spoil their suppers.
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