Jacob Sullum | December 21, 2006
Has Susette Kelo
"gone around the bend"? That's the diagnosis of New London
Development Corporation (NLDC) board member Reid Burdick, one
recipient of a very special greeting card that Kelo
sent to the officials she blames for using eminent domain to
drive her from her home in the name of progress. On the front of
the card is a picture of the house she struggled for years to save
from the economic development bulldozers, culminating in the U.S.
Supreme Court's 2005 decision siding with the city—and with central
planners throughout the country who are
busy thinking of better uses for other people's property.
Inside the card are these verses:
Here is my house that you did take
From me to you, this spell I make
Your houses, your homes
Your family, your friends
May they live in misery
That never ends.
I curse you all
May you rot in hell
To each of you
I send this spell
For the rest of your lives
I wish you ill
I send this now
By the power of will
The opening rhyme is weak, but on the whole I prefer this message to the saccharine sentiments usually found in greeting cards. And while I don't necessarily endorse the curse on the friends and relatives of the malefactors, Kelo's vindictiveness is understandable. Not only did Kelo lose the battle for her home, but the NLDC insisted on taking her property and that of the other holdouts even though it had no particular need for the parcels—just to show it could. "This all could have been solved and ended many years ago," she says. "They didn't have to do what they did to us, and I will never forget. These people can think what they want of me. I will never, ever forget what they did." The responses from the card's recipients show they still don't get it.
"It's amazing anyone could be so vindictive when they've made so much money," says Gail Schwenker-Mayer, former assistant to the NLDC's former president, referring to the $442,000 Kelo ultimately accepted for her house after the Supreme Court said the city had the authority to kick her out. If this fight were about money, Kelo could have settled much sooner and saved herself a lot of trouble and heartache. She believed she was fighting for an important principle—that people should not be dispossessed simply because their use of their land is not generating as much tax revenue as the govenment would like. Judging by the reaction to Kelo from state legislators and the general public, millions of Americans agreed this was a principle worth defending.
"It's sort of sad she elected to do this," says NLDC board member George Milne. "We were trying to do things for the city. It was nothing personal." That nicely sums up the attitude of too many local officials and activists, who sincerely believe that good intentions and the absence of personal enmity make it OK to violate people's rights.
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"It's amazing anyone could be so vindictive when they've made so
much money."
What chutzpah! Like she's supposed to be grateful those brigands
did this to her.
"It's sort of sad she elected to do this," says NLDC board
member George Milne. "We were trying to do things for the city. It
was nothing personal." That nicely sums up the attitude of too many
local officials and activists, who sincerely believe that good
intentions and the absence of personal enmity make it OK to violate
people's rights.
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Mr. Milne, it's people like you, what cause unrest.
Brevity being the soul of wit, if not vindictiveness, a simple "Fuck You" would have sufficed. Maybe add a clip-art holly graphic for that festive touch.
"It's amazing anyone could be so vindictive when they've
made so much money," says Gail Schwenker-Mayer, former assistant to
the NLDC's former president, referring to the $442,000 Kelo
ultimately accepted for her house after the Supreme Court said the
city had the authority to kick her out.
Gosh, how ungrateful - I'm sure that all of that money should be a
real consolation to Ms Kelo until she has to spend it all buying a
new home.
The New London Council should be happy that Kelo restricted herself
to poison-pen cards - if those bastards had taken my home, the Xmas
package they would have gotten from me could very likely have been
large, lethal and set to go off in the middle of their next
session.
Oops. I guess Kelo doesn't know that in witchcraft spells come back to the caster times 3.
I couldn't tell from the article, but does anyone know if Kelo tipped off the newspaper about her sending the cards, or if it was one of the recipients? If it's the latter, it seems awful petty for someone to try to make this front-page news just because they got a nasty-gram from her. I mean, suck it up, man!
She not the victim of the system everyone makes her out to be. She bought that house for the express purpose of having standing to challenge the taking. Its not like she has lived there for 20 years and got kicked out.
I swear to goodness that I dated that Gail Schwenker-Mayer woman
right before this decision! Okay, she was in a different body (I
suppose) and named Gwen (note the similarities) from Ashburn,
VA.
She was a VP at a property development firm that specialized in
developing property like this and was working on a NJ shore project
at the time.
Her 'argument' was based on word substitution and Socialism. Rather
than using the words from the "takings clause" (which she was not
aware of and I asked her to ask her lawyer daughter to 'splain it
to her) she would say that it was for "the common good" and that
made taking property okay. Plus "those people are just holding out
for more money".
When I mentioned that the takings clause specifies public use, she
said this was for the greater good and these communities would
"die" if they did not come in and develop them.
She also thought my attitude toward that m-word scam was "bull
shit" because I had not intention of telling the government if I
was married or not at any time in the future.
Yea, the unmarried relations were good, but not good enough to put
up with her arrogance and stupidity for longer than 3 weeks.
I'll look forward to the story about how people think Kelo shouldn;t be allowed to express her thoughts in such a manner...
Pete,
More power to her if she bought the house with the intention of
taking a stand. She still has every right to be pissed off at those
thieves.
The "rhyme" sounds like a thinly veiled threat to me. If any of the board members contacted law enforcement about this, I wouldn't blame them a bit.
Dan T.,
Perhaps instead of the poem she should have sent lyrics to songs by
The Smiths or Steven Morrissey's Smithless works?
GM-
How about if she, after getting her money and name in the news,
moved on with her life, and stopped being selfish and bitter about
something that will benefit the community?
She not the victim of the system everyone makes her out to
be. She bought that house for the express purpose of having
standing to challenge the taking. Its not like she has lived there
for 20 years and got kicked out.
Pete,
According to the Institute for Justice website:
"(Susette Kelo) purchased and lovingly restored her little pink
house where the Thames River meets the Long Island Sound in
1997..In 1998, pharmaceutical giant Pfizer built a plant next to
Fort Trumbull and the City determined that someone else could make
better use of the land than the Fort Trumbull residents.
That account, at least, does not jibe with your assertion. Got some
different facts?
"this spell I make"
"I send this now/by the power of will"
Sounds like too many episodes of "Charmed."
I wonder if she was a loonie before the case, or if that's what
drove her around the bend.
The "rhyme" sounds like a thinly veiled threat to me. If any
of the board members contacted law enforcement about this, I
wouldn't blame them a bit.
Dan T.,
This "post" of yours sounds like a thinly veiled musing of a
wanker. If any of the posters on this board slapped you about the
face and fanny, I wouldn't blame them a bit.
Dan T.,
GM-
How about if she, after getting her money and name in the news,
moved on with her life, and stopped being selfish and bitter about
something that will benefit the community?
Is your real name Gwen and do you live in Ashburn, VA?
See earlier post, search on Gwen.
Alternate theory: you are Ezra Klein stealthing over here.
There's no guarantee that the redevelopment will result in
economic prosperity, and there have been many cases where it did
not. Politicians love to overstate expected benefits and income to
sell their power plays to the masses. In fact, I would bet the
opposite. Seeing how easy it is to lose 'your' property, I wonder
how many people will want to opt for the risk of buying in the
redevelopment zone.
But yes, she should be ecstatic that some central planners decided
that she doesn't really own her property, but lives there solely at
the discretion of the state.
Dan T - I don't think the government can do anything about it. Her threat relies on witchcraft, and if the government were to take action based on that, surely the ACLU would take issue with the state's endorsement of a particular faith.
I wonder if she was a loonie before the case, or if that's
what drove her around the bend.
Yes, Joe, only a lunatic would be pissed off to lose her nice
little house on the waterfront and have it moved to a crappy
location inland.
Guys, let me remind you that Dan T. is a troll who will say
anything to get attention, and can be reliably counted upon to say
the exact opposite of whatever is posted. If Sullum joins the dark
side and starts posting that the Kelo decision was a good one, Dan
T. will make a stand in favor of property rights.
Mike,
Now witchcraft isn't real it is just 'religion'?
ACK! I must now re-work all of my theories on how hot chicks
extract favors from me without reciprocation.
Hmm...interesting. If all the religious wackos believe ('tis the
season) that prayers can lead to "good" or some sort of positive
divine intervention, then it makes exactly as much sense that
prayers and spells can lead to "bad" or negative supernatural
events.
Thus, this would count as assault.
I'd love to watch this case work its way through the system.
"It's sort of sad she elected to do this," says NLDC board
member George Milne. "We were trying to do things for the city. It
was nothing personal."
Wow ! Mr. Milne sounds like a character right out of "The
Godfather".
I'm merely expressing my opinions.
Jennifer's suggeting that these are not, in fact, your
opinions.
I have an aunt who - no matter what the topic - will disagree with
whatever I say, even on matters with which she historically or by
pronouncement agrees.
I tolerate this because she's both intelligent and funny.
I haven't found a similar justification yet for tolerating Dan
T.
Jennifer,
Only a loonie sends spells and incantations through the mail.
By the Power of Will.
People with whom you agree can be loonies, too. You'd think a
libertarian would figure that out fairly early.
I know of some other homeless people who cast spells on the passers by. Maybe there is some sort of connection.
May Dan T and his ilk have the same "opportunity" in the future to "move on with their lives" and not be bitter.
"Only a loonie sends spells and incantations through the
mail."
So, if she had shown up on their doorsteps and screamed said
incantations at them, then it'd be fine?
Plenty of people I disagree with on certain issues are loonies. I'm
sure me and that libertarian crackhead who turned blue from eating
nickels or some shit, would agree on a thing or two. But it doesn't
necessarily mean that this lady is "loony". Seems to me, at least,
that the "curses" were a little tongue-in-cheek, and underneath it
all, she was merely expressing her undying hatred of these scumbag
cocksuckers who stole her house. Her rhymin' skillz leave much to
be desired, but, Joe, I fear that your disagreement with her on
this issue is clouding your ability to realize that all this talk
of curses and spells was most likely tongue-in-cheek.
Yeah, Dan, just see how YOU like it when the gubmint comes along
and uses eminent domain to kick you and your entire troll clan out
from the bridge under which you reside. Sure, you'll get "market
value" for your bridge underside, but you'll probably end up
spending that money on a brand new bridge underside, and it won't
be nearly as nice.
Government harassment is all fun and games until they kick YOUR
troll clan out from under that bridge...
Evan!,
Hold it, I thought takings for bridge replacement were, like,
totally not a violation of anyone's rights.
Tongue-in-cheek curses would make sense on a Halloween card. They
just look weird on a Christmas card. Some "Santa bring you coal"
poem would have been funny, but this reads like the scripts from
"Charmed." It's funny, but not ha-ha funny.
...meaning, it's pretty hard to taker seriously someone who gets
all worked up about the terrible disruption of someone's life, and
violation of her security, when her home is taken and she's thrown
out on the street...except when it's done for public works, and
then it's ok.
But it's really about how terrible it is to have your home taken.
Except that it's only terrible when your home is taken for one
reason, but not another.
How did the city's decision benefit the community? Now it's just easier for everyone else in the community to lose their houses, too.
But it's really about how terrible it is to have your home
taken. Except that it's only terrible when your home is taken for
one reason, but not another.
joe,
is there ever a time when someone takes your house that its not
traumatic? I don't care if you're building a shopping mall, a
bridge, or a state hospital for really really sick children, the
person who's house is taken is never going to be cheerful about
it.
In Vin Suprynowicz's novel "Black Arrow," a city council member who steals an old woman's business using "eminent domain" is sliced into three pieces by a rebel with a sword. Sounds like the NLDC scumbags got off pretty light in comparison to that fictional end (or in comparison to what they deserve).
Only a loonie sends spells and incantations through the
mail.
If she sent a more to-the-point message like "drop dead," she'd be
in danger of arrest for sending threats through the mail. At least
the "spell" protects her.
Of course it's not personal to the city. It's not their land and it's not their money. Pretty easy to be impersonal when you're toying with someone else's life.
The State owns everything. Don't you realize that? They just
allow us to trade it back and forth, using worthless scraps of
paper they issue, but in the end, if they want it back, it is
theirs to have. Didn't the 9th Circuit cover this? ;)
- R
Good for her!
For a 100 Euros, I know a Gypsy woman who can make this dream come
true.
LIT,
"joe,
is there ever a time when someone takes your house that its not
traumatic?"
My point exactly - the going position among the "property rights"
crowd is that a certain class of takings need to be abolished, and
they point to the horrible effects on poor poster children like Ms.
Kelo, but that another class of takings, which have exactly the
same effect on the people whose property is taken, are acceptable.
This is dishonest and manipulative, and I object to people who shed
their crocodile tears over people whose property is taken for a
parking lot that a private party would own, yet declare that
everything would be ok if the parking lot was owned by the city.
It's either unacceptable to do that to somebody, or it's not.
Your argument sounds pretty specious to me, joe. How about the
concept that individual property rights are valuable and should be
defended, and that any takings by the state should by LAST resort--
not just to benefit some other private enterprise with bigger $
plans and the ear of those in power? Don't you remember:
it's all about the little guy
it's all about the little guy
it's all about the little guy
it's all about the little guy
it's all about the little guy
it's all about the little guy
it's all about the little guy
it's all about the little guy
Your contempt for Ms. Kelo is obvious ("poor poster children").
My point exactly - the going position among the "property
rights" crowd is that a certain class of takings need to be
abolished, and they point to the horrible effects on poor poster
children like Ms. Kelo, but that another class of takings, which
have exactly the same effect on the people whose property is taken,
are acceptable. This is dishonest and manipulative
So when the public gets polled and majorities of people say things
along the lines of, "Yeah, takings for roads and stuff are ok, I
guess, we need roads...but not to a freaking developer so he can
make money!", the public is being dishonest and
manipulative?
Hey gang, don't forget that you too can join in Suzette Kelo's
celebration by sending along your own special Christmas
wishes:
New London Development Corporation
165 State Street, Suite 313
New London, CT 06320
The names of the board members are listed here.
Just Another Lurker.
"Last resort" and "public ownership" are not arranged along the
same axis.
You can have a desperate situation that requires a fix that ends up
with the property in private hands. You can have a thoughtless,
shallow process that takes someone's land and puts it into public
ownership when there were other options available.
I agree, takings are a drastic step, and should be used only when
necessary. That has nothing to do with the question of whether
"public use" requires public ownership.
"Your contempt for Ms. Kelo is obvious" Actually, it's my contempt
for people who exploited her situation for political gain that
you're picking up on.
Although the "curse" card does make her appear a bit silly.
Eric the Point Five Bee,
It's not the position that I find manipulative, but tactics used to
advance it.
It's not the position that I find manipulative, but tactics
used to advance it.
So which tactics would meet with your approval, and perhaps plug up
the spout of contempt you keep spewing toward "poor poster
children" like Suzette Kelo?
Bad joe, thinking it's goofy to put curses on people on
Christmas cards.
That was a hell of a lot easier than answering my question, wasn't
it?
It's either unacceptable to do that to somebody, or it's
not.
The exact issue of this case was that there is a flat, friggin'
difference between a city taking property for a city purpose and a
city taking it from one private citizen and giving it to
another.
You know that. You're just being contrarian and trumping this one
up.
It's not the position that I find manipulative, but tactics
used to advance it.
Now you're being disengenuous and engaging in needless
hairsplitting.
You refuse to acknowledge distinction of the Kelo case from other
eminent domain cases because the impact on Kelo herself was the
same as other homeowners in similar cases...
...but you draw a distinction amongst tactics used by the "property
rights" crowd because it might be politically motivated?
Right, joe...I usually agree with you but lately you've shown a
tendency to draw narrow lines to make silly arguments.
em>In Vin Suprynowicz's novel "Black Arrow," a city council
member who steals an old woman's business using "eminent domain" is
sliced into three pieces
Ken, yes, but Vinnie never takes prisoners.
I believe Kelo was rightly decided. There may be some such thing
as a natural right to property, but that right is better defended
in legislatures than in courts.
And I can't see the absolute difference between takings for public
use, and takings for "contracting out" for a private development.
Donald Trump might well do much more for the benefit of society in
the long-run, than some geek on the planning board building a
boon-doggle road or land-fill. This proposition is NOT
absurd.
Also it's a crappy poem...doesn't anybody know how to scan meter
anymore?
May all my enemies go to hell!
Noel, Noel, Noel Noel!
Hillaire Belloc
Add this..."takings" occur in a context involving a long history
of land-use and zoning laws which were already a severe deviation
from true market outcomes.
Not to mention all of amenities of governance which very probably
made Kelo's house the attractive total package it was. If some of
those amenities were mortgaged to the future...would she be better
off if her property taxes had gone uo 1000%?
We live in a society, for Christ's sake...that's been a rough deal
from the beginning. There was no private property in the Cro-Magnon
cave. That was a PRODUCT of civilization. Kelo's house would have
been worth nothing without the civilization around it.
"There was no private property in the Cro-Magnon cave. That
was a PRODUCT of civilization. Kelo's house would have been worth
nothing without the civilization around it."
I've heard some batshit insane justifications for ED before,
but...this just might take the cake.
In essence, Andrew, you're asserting that, since property rights
wouldn't exist without "civilization", then "civilization" has the
right to do what it wants with property? What the fuck? What were
you on when you posted that nugget @ 2:30am?
By your ridiculously absurd logic, you could easily say that the
state is justified in taking anything it wants. Before
civilization, you had no "right" to wear green pants. So, now, if
the state wants to ban green pants, it should be able to.
Please tell me you're not this vapid. Please tell me that you, at
least, understand the most basic concepts of a constitutional
republic. Please. I need my faith in humanity restored a little
bit.
Here's a suggestion: do some reading on natural rights. The state
didn't "grant" me my rights. Your notion of positive rights (you're
norn with no rights, and the State doles them out as it sees fit),
rather than negative rights (you're born with natural rights, and
the state restricts them based on ideals regarding human conflict),
runs contrary to the foundation upon which this country is
built.
We do indeed live in a society---but we also have natural rights
that the government cannot abridge...regardless of what cro-magnon
man did.
Joe:
My point exactly - the going position among
the "property rights" crowd is that a certain class of takings need
to be abolished, and they point to the horrible effects on poor
poster children like Ms. Kelo, but that another class of takings,
which have exactly the same effect on the people whose property is
taken, are acceptable. This is dishonest and manipulative...
(emphasis added)
...It's not the position that I find manipulative, but tactics
used to advance it.
Joe: Seriously - what the Hell?
madpad,
I understand the difference quite well, thank you very much.
Probably a lot better than you, given my professional
background.
Why, I understand that distinction so well that I realize that the
"it's for the poster children" gambit is completely irrelevant to
that distinction.
Evan!,
Exaggerating Andrew's argument to the point of absurdity is not a
rebuttal. You can make anything sound foolish with the liberal use
of the words "any," "absolute," and "whatever." And that's all you
did.
Getting back to the original point of the thread, how could exactly
the same action - the taking of someone's property through eminent
domain - be a violation of someone's natural rights if it is
disposed of in one manner, but not if it is disposed of in another
manner? If you take the stereo out of my car, it doesn't really
matter whether you use it, sell it, donate it, or destroy it -
you've violated my rights. Yet in this case, if New London decides
tomorrow that Ms. Kelo's land is to be used for a highway ramp,
then her rights have retroactively not been violated?
There's an argument about whether a taking that ends up in private
hands is an abuse of the government's power, but there simply is no
merit to the argument that whether or not her rights have been
violated depends on the government's motivation.
O.K., O.K. I got you, joe (though since I have no idea what you
background is, I don;t get your reference to it.)
Yeah, in stark terms, eminent domain is generally a trouncing of an
individual's rights. No getting by that one. I...we ALL...get
that.
But we also understand that, occassionally, individual rights take
a back seat to some public good. It's enumerated in the last
sentence ot the 5th amendment to the U.S. constitution and it
reads...
...nor shall private property be taken for public use, without
just compensation.
So there is, at least, some constitutional basis for it. We may not
like it, but over the past couple of centuries, we've gotten used
to it when it comes to widening a road or building an overpass.
We've learned to accept it.
Kelo turned that on it's ear. It, in a sense, 'rationalized' that
since a development plan benefitted the community, taking private
property and giving it over to another private entity was allowable
if it was for a "public purpose."
Yes, taking someone's property is a violation of their rights. But
one that was apparently deemed acceptable by the writers of the
constitution.
Kelo, however, broke with a common understanding of the limits of
that violation opening up opportunities for abuse and a higher
volume of eminent domain situations.
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