Katherine Mangu-Ward | October 31, 2006
The
L.A. Times asked various nutrition gurus and other traditional
candy haters what they hand out on Halloween. Most of the answers
are surprisingly chill. Even Marion Nestle--who tends to be
the person with the most radical quote in any obesity article--was
cool. She said she has no trick-or-treaters in Manhattan, but
conceded the point of the holiday, saying, "I'm not in favor of
nutritional purism on holidays. I think some negotiation is
reasonable." She even admitted that caramel apples are pretty
awesome: "Especially ones with the worst red, hard candy on
them."
There's always a killjoy, though:
Kelly Brownell, director of Yale's Rudd Center for Food Policy & Obesity. "Not food," he says. "because the food that people tend to hand out is candy, and children get plenty of candy already." In a 2003 study, he and colleagues offered candy or toys to trick-or-treating children ages 3 to 14 and found the kids were just as likely to pick toys.
He hasn't done studies on how far treats can be healthified before children balk, "but perhaps you could do that," he quips. "The outcome variable could be seeing how far you could go without getting your house TP'd."
Read the whole L.A. Times article here.
Via the Center for Consumer Freedom.
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Maybe it is just the angle of the picture, but Prof. Brownell appears to have chosen candy over toys.
No, Brownell has been the main focus of The Center for the Study of Hypocrisy of Nanny Staters for many years. For that fat piece of shit to lecture other people on what they're eating is fuckin' ridiculous.
"In a 2003 study, he and colleagues offered candy or toys to
trick-or-treating children ages 3 to 14 and found the kids were
just as likely to pick toys."
You could easily skew the results of such a "study" by offering
some nasty peach-flavored hard candy (like the kind that sticks
together in your grandmother's candy dish) and a Hotwheels '68
Mustang for the toy.
I wonder how the study was carried out.
I think Brownell should be placed in a pit ringed by fifth-graders with dodge-balls.
"I think Brownell should be placed in a pit ringed by
fifth-graders with dodge-balls."
... who have all just read her comments.
Apples with razor blades embedded in them might actually be
safer for kids than the chocolate-coated poison that's currently
handed out on Halloween.
It's good to know we Americans have a holiday where child abuse is
actually encouraged.
Honestly? If the toy was cool, I'd think the person handing out
toys on Hallowe'en was the most awesome person on the block when I
was a kid.
If everyone started doing it, of course, it'd be the lone holdout
for Butterfingers that would get the "most awesome" crown.
"It's good to know we Americans have a holiday where child abuse
is actually encouraged."
Must have been your parents' favorite day.
Okay, so what Halloween candy did anyone really like? Hate?(Sweet Tarts were always my faves.) I never liked the marshmallow ones or those taffies that came wrapped in orange and black wax paper. Too hard and no real taste.
Apples with red hard candy on them are candied apples, NOT caramel apples.
Okay, so what Halloween candy did anyone really
like?
I always loved those oatmeal cookie sandwiches, the ones that had
like marshmallow centers or something. So disgusting and yet so
awesome.
I was a kid on an Army base, all us kids Trick or Treated in packs without adults along, we'd go to the Officers houses because they gave out the best stuff. I liked the little candy corn, but everyone gave those out. The best treat I ever got was from an old lady who gave out the little 6-ounce bottles of coca-cola, that was a major score.
I loved Sweet Tarts and Necco Wafers. All the Mary Janes went in the garbage, however.
Have any of you noticed a decline in the number of Trick or
Treaters recently? I live in a neighborhood with 519 kids between
6-11 (according to the Census in 2000). That's over 10% of the
population. None of them showed up. I only got three little kids
with their parents.
It's gotten worse each year. I always thought it was the weather,
but this is the best weather we've had in years.
When I was a kid I lived in a much smaller neighborhood with about
the same percentage of kids, yet hundreds of kids came each
Halloween.
Do parents not let their children trick or treat anymore?
Here in the Bronx, trick-or-treating has been on the
increase for years, at least in my neighborhood.
They drive 'em in from who knows where. Today we even got an
adult couple, no kids with them.
I give samples of my bath foam -- see link.
.. no kids again this year .. haven't seen an FLB for probably
ten years ..
.. that goes with living in the country .. house that we lived in
before here was similar .. no kids at all for several years in a
row .. then, one year, doorbell rings .. the only thing that I can
come up with in the entire house is a banana ..
happy Hallowe'en ..
.. Hobbit
Ammonium: Parents scared of kidnappers and sex offenders. And of everything else.
Back in the Dark Ages when I was very small people gave out real
popcorn balls, and real carmel apples (not that shit they sell at
the grocery store) and other assorted home made goodies like
from-scratch cookies and brownies. Nothing my kids get today can
compare to that stuff. Sadly, all the razor blade scares eventually
put an end to that.
Ammonium, it depends. We live in the sticks and there aren't many
kids around here. In 10 years we have never had a single kid come
to the door on Halloween.
We take our kids to the suburban upscale neighborhood where their
school is located. It is clogged with hundreds of
trick-or-treaters. When they were smaller, we took them to my
sister's place, same kind of neighborhood.
These people go all out for All Hallows E'een. Man, it's right up
there with Christmas for time and money spent on cool
decorations.
Hobbit's bannana story was a hoot. I figure an FLB must be a Fargin Little Brat.........but I could be wrong. And the answer would be yes, FLB's promote tooth decay. At least mine do.
The best trick-or-treat score was the Hershey Semi-Sweet
Chocolate bar, the precursor to today's "Special Dark." Besides its
gloriously intense chocolate taste, it was too "grown-up" for the
younger siblings. One did have to watch out for the parentals, who
appreciated them, too.
My prime T or T years were the 1960s, just before the razor-blade
myth took hold. Growing up in a small Long Island town that had
been enveloped by Levittownish suburbia, my siblings and I could
rake in extraordinary amounts of candy and pocket change from our
neighborhood and adjoining ones. We'd escort the little ones around
while the sun was still up, then head home for dinner, making sure
to take a route that we had yet to harvest. After a light repast
the older kids would head back out to continue the festivities in
the dark, the way the Old Gods intended. I think we all had to be
back home by about 9:00pm. We had off from school for All Saint's
Day, but still had to get up for church.
As our family wasn't flush, candy was a special treat, and we kids
would stretch our stashes as long as we could, at Halloween,
Christmas and Easter. Mom would impose a limit on how much we could
snack on. I can remember being allowed to pack one
candy-serving-equivalent {1 full-size bar, 1 of those paper bags of
mixed treats some folks made up, 1 box of candy such as Good n'
Plenty, 2 "Fun Size" bars} with my bag lunch for school. One treat
as an after-school snack, and another as dessert after dinner was a
normal distribution. Oh! how pitiful the sibling who scarfed down
as much as one could stuff in one's mouth, whose treasure ran out
early, and had to watch as wiser sisters and brothers who still had
booty enjoyed it! It was like something out of Aesop.
I live in an urban neighborhood of duplexes, triplexes and
apartment buildings. Our city designates a 3-hour window, all in
daylight, on the Sunday before Halloween, for T or T. Not one child
or teen rang my bell this weekend. Granted, our area is low on
families with kids, and packed with single folks, especially
students at the nearby State U. I think what the few Moms and Dads
around here do is pack the kids in the car and take them to nearby
suburbs where almost everybody lives in a single-family home, and
try to replicate the kind of experience I had as a kid.
I know of some comics fans who clean out their collections or stock
up at their retailer's "quarter bin" and hand out four-color
effulgence on Halloween. See: here
The last article on this slow-loading Ain't it Cool News page
refers to the practice, too. The kids seem to like it!
Kevin
I think Chesterton said it best:
"When giving treats to friends or children, give them what they
like, emphatically not what is good for them."
Anybody else's ironimeter go off when they saw that one of the
anti-candy scolds was named Nestle?
She's not related to the candy giant's founders, though.
Kevin
"We take our kids to the suburban upscale neighborhood where
their school is located. It is clogged with hundreds of
trick-or-treaters. When they were smaller, we took them to my
sister's place, same kind of neighborhood.
"These people go all out for All Hallows E'een. Man, it's right up
there with Christmas for time and money spent on cool
decorations."
Isn't it interesting that the same effect is seen in the suburban
upscale neighborhood and in my Bronx neighborhood? Halloween
decorations have come to rival those for Christmas here too, and
the kids are in many cases SUV-driven-in from a distance. The
trick-or-treaters and the residents here are each largely immigrant
to the USA.
Even though I'm from around here (52 YO), it was never
this big when I was a child. And now it's caught
on as a party holiday among adults, which was practically
nonexistent when I was a child.
Man, I hated those religious wackos who handed out that Chick shit. I remember always getting ones that had great stories about kids being beaten by their dads and forced to panhandle, but it would be good because one day the dad would beat them to death and they would meet jesus in heaven.
Our local giveaway weekly paper ran the Halloween installment of
Owen Dunne's You Damn
Kid...., which seemed apropos the discussion.
I wore a home-made Batman costume once. it must have been in 1967.
A local appliance store had given away free cardboard masks, with a
very Carmine Infantino-ish Batman head on one side, and a Robin
face on the other. Unlike the Damn Kid in the cartoon, I avoided
wearing a coat, by attaching a bat-symbol to a grey shirt borrowed
from an older brother, and wearing sweatshirts that gave my torso
the required barrel shape underneath, while keeping it warm. Yes,
my younger brother played Boy Wonder, but drew the line at going
out in short pants.
Kevin
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