O to be Lucky Pierre in the middle of this sandwich:
El Jefe is bombarding Cuba's official media of clips of himself with Venezuelan Huey Long Hugo Chavez, dispelling rumors that he is dead or comatose and paving the way for his 140-year reign, a term of office that ominously promises plenty of footage of hotblooded Caribbean boys in winter. The full TV clip of the two world leaders spread out in scarlet bedclothes is slightly less compromising. Slightly.
You guys don't understand; being called a fag isn't considered an insult in my country.
"It works for the very poorest in society and even in the United
States a sizeable portion of the population starves."
No one starves in the United States except due to mental illness or
neglect by parents/guardians.
JT Barrie,
I think you forgot the part about the rivers flowing with
chocolate. Seriously though, if the Cuban people are so glad to
have Castro in charge, why does he need the extensive police state
apparatus? I'm sure it's the US' fault, but I'm just wondering
how.
JT Barrie sounds like an apologist, but we should keep in mind
that the most deceptive spins usually have an element of truth, and
that's what makes them so deceptive.
First, I have no doubt that the guy Castro replaced was a thug.
Revolutions don't usually happen because everything is just peachy.
The most likely time for things to get worse is when they're
already bad.
Second, from what I've heard, Cuba actually does have a decent
number of doctors with very good training. Now, before anybody
calls me an apologist, keep in mind that even the Commies can
usually manage to do at least one thing right...they just get
everything else wrong. The Soviets had a space program and a very
good physics community (at least in theoretical physics, which is
cheaper). It's not unheard of for Communists to concentrate meager
resources into one single area of endeavor, and then use their
successes for propaganda purposes.
The problem in Cuba is not the quality of its doctors, it's the
suckitude of everything else, thanks to Communism.
I have a hunch that somebody will misinterpret this post and accuse
me of defending Communism. Oh, well.
It works for the very poorest in society and even in the
United States a sizeable portion of the population
starves
If by "starve" you mean "eats themselves into morbid obesity" then
I agree with you.
did any of you guys see andy garcia's "the lost city" came out on dvd about the same time castro religuished power to his brother by coincidance. it was interesting not a perfect movie but after gag inducing depiction of a christ like che from "motorcycle diaries" it was a refreshing alternative.
JT Barrie:
the guy he replaced was a murdering, torturing, capitalist
thug
"Capitalist thug"?? I'd be quite surprised to learn that Batista
was a fan of, and actually permitted, economic liberty.
The Cubans remaining do not want a return to the crony
capitalism of the Batista era.
The only way that a "crony capitalism" can survive is with
government coercion to protect the cronies from competition. This,
of course, is not capitalism. It's more like fascist economics.
Capitalism permits free access to the marketplace and that's just
Hell on the cronies. What ever you call the competitors who are
able to carve out a market-share in a free capitalistic market
place, it sure isn't "cronies".
[Castro] only turned commie after the U.S. and the CIA
pulled their support.
This is an old lefty trope that's never been convincing. Isn't it
much more likely that Castro simply hid his Marxism to avoid
spooking the U.S. and others? Revolutionaries have been known to
lie.
Batista was a pretty standard-issue Latin strongman of the day, but
he wasn't a totalitarian dictator like Castro. To claim, as JT
does, that Castro has made the country better off is absurd. 50
years ago Cuba was one of the richest (if not the richest) country
in Latin America, and now it's one of the poorest. That should
settle the issue.
Ken: those were the options the Cuban people were given. The
US certainly didn't put much pressure on Batista to engage in
democratic reforms. It was a US-backed dictator or a Soviet-backed
dictator and, despite the efforts of Batista apologists, the
decision they made was probably a rational one.
Really, I couldn't care less about the history here. My point is
that Castro is the only option Castro gave the Cuban people once he
was in power. ...thousands of Cubans since then have decided they'd
rather jump in the ocean with an inner tube than spend another day
in Castro's Cuba. Maybe they're just the tip of the iceberg?
Maybe there are thousands more who'd be willing to take less
drastic measures--like, given the opportunity, voting someone else
into power. ...Batista's been dead for twenty-odd years. I
promise--an election wouldn't be between Castro and Batista's
corpse.
History's a fascinating subject--really it is. ...but the choice
hasn't been between Castro and Batista for some forty years. ...and
the suggestion that Batista would have been worse just doesn't cut
it.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned how a large part of the
reason Cubans are so poor is the embargo. Are we
really still concerned that Cuba is going to be
the incursion point for a Communist invasion of the United States
(or whatever the stupid-ass reason is for the embargo)?
Oh, right, it's politicians from both sides of the aisle kissing
the asses of Cuban emigres (nothing against the emigres, but they
sure do seem to wield a disproportionate amoount of political
stroke in south Florida).
JT Barrie:
"the guy he replaced was a murdering, torturing, capitalist
thug"
so, I guess that it should be noted that it was okay that Richard
Nixon was a liar and committed numerous illegal/un-constitutional
acts because the guy he replaced (LBJ) was just as bad, if not
worse!
JD,
Your points are all true. However, when the world's largest buyer,
which is also your closest potential customer, won't buy from you,
your costs go way up. I'm certainly not saying that ending the
embargo would cure what ails Cuba, but it is, as I said, a large
part of the reason Cubans are so poor. Obviously, the largest part
is Castro and his policies, but unless we are willing to depose
him, the next best thing would be ending the embargo.
Batista's been dead for twenty-odd years. I promise--an
election wouldn't be between Castro and Batista's
corpse.
Actually, against Castro, Batista's corpse might not do badly in a
one on one election.
Hey, I just thought of a great premise for a zombie movie. It's
sort of a Moon over Parador meets Weekend at
Bernie's with a Shaun of the Dead twist!
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned how a large part of the
reason Cubans are so poor is the embargo.
True, but while I'm not saying it's the case here, but it always
cracks me up when Medea Benjamin and other lefties say this. Their
argument boils down to: "Castro was good for Cuba because he
stopped capitalist exploitation, but Cuba is poor because the main
capitalist exploiter doesn't engage in free market activities with
us any more."
Well, if he's gay, he wouldn't be the first closet-case who
viciously oppressed his fellow homosexuals.��
-jcr
Cuba has a highly educated population with a surplus of
trained medical people that wouldn't have happened under
Batista.
No doubt the trains run on time as well. That is, if they still
have trains in Cuba.
I'm surprised no one has made a reference to Castro Street.
Castro: The Americans are not so bad. They even named a street
after me in San Fransisco. [Aide whispers in ear] It's full of
WHAT?
I love it.
Even the commies defending Castro can only muster a "Well, Batista
would have been worse!"
The only reason that Communism's undead presence is still even
extant in the 21st century is because Fidel Castro and Kim Jong Il
haven't quite stopped twitching yet.
"The only reason that Communism's undead presence is still even
extant in the 21st century is because Fidel Castro and Kim Jong Il
haven't quite stopped twitching yet."
The following is a list of current communist countries
China
Cuba
Laos
North Korea
Vietnam
You can argue about how "communist" they really are (as you could
have with the USSR), but I think that accounts for a pretty good
bit above 1 billion humans on the planet.
What mediageek said. And what jf said.
jf,
A lack of favoring free trade should certainly undermine one's
claim to be a libertarian.
your average Cuban on the street (the ones i chatted up/drank
with/rodearound in cars w/ pretty ballerinas with/smoked dope with)
got a better handle on how the world works than most people I
interact with here.
they ALL knew that the US wishes them ill....that the US dosnt want
to make them another Florida (bad enough) but another
Honduras.
So- if you want to compare Cuba with some place to show how
eeeeeeevil it is, compare it with its peers. El Salvador.
Guatemala. Jamaica. Haiti. Nicaragua, now that we "won".
EVERY ONE of those places is a repressive hellhole. A "free market"
"democratic" hellhole. Cuba, without the schools, doctors, clean
water, & death squads.
Cuba will indeed cast off the ossified bones of the Party. About
every person I talked to did. But they WONT willingly become
Honduras. And that will stick in a lot of craws.....in both Miami
& Washington....and, probably, here.
Mutt, you and those Cubans seem to have fallen prey to that idiotic leftist idea that capitalists want other people and other countries to be poor, which is a paranoid delusion. Capitalists make more money from rich people and rich countries, so they'd be happy if Cuba were a little Canada with palm trees.
Great pic. All it needs is to be in green-glow nightvision ala
the Paris Hilton tape.
Weren't Fidel and Che gay lovers? What is up with that?
Mutt, you and those Cubans seem to have fallen prey to that
idiotic leftist idea that capitalists want other people and other
countries to be poor,
Ummmm. Im talking about oligarchies. Fact of the matter is, the
"capitalists" of latin america, and, increasingly, here, have
little to do with your delightfully childlike view of some bright,
shiney, theoryworld. ... It certainly has nothing to do with Latin
America.
It has worked in the US , more or less, with various failures: the
Gilded Age, the frauds that led to the Crash of 29, the massive
export of US wealth to foriegn interests for short term
gain......the world, as it is, isnt paras from textbooks. If El
Salvador, etc is an advertisement for the wonders of captitalism,
Im glad Im armed.
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