David Weigel | August 29, 2006
The Club for Growth's successful round of Republican primary victories is backfiring in Colorado, as a retiring Republican mulls an independent write-in bid to squelch the CFG candidate who would replace him.
Rep. Joel Hefley is seriously considering running as a write-in
candidate to retain his seat rather than risk handing it over to
Republican nominee Doug Lamborn....
Shortly after announcing he would not seek an 11th term, Hefley
endorsed [former aide Jeff] Crank. Crank and Lamborn engaged in a bloody political battle
that included third-party mailings accusing Crank of being a tax hiker
and an advocate for the "radical homosexual lobby," charges Lamborn
either leveled or refused to renounce.Lamborn, a state senator, won the primary by 892 votes and
is set to face Democrat Jay Fawcett in a district that leans heavily
Republican. Thirteen Republicans have publicly announced their support
for Fawcett, and others have complained behind the scenes about
Lamborn's primary campaign.
Living last year in Virginia I saw this happen on a smaller scale. Conservative Republicans primaried a number of moderate, squishy Republican state legislators in the DC suburbs and exurbs, in large part because of anger over Gov. Mark Warner's tax hikes (which said legislators supported). The victorious conservatives got summarily creamed by Democrats. Colorado-05 should be a safe GOP seat, but Kos, for one, is bullish about Democratic chances in a three-way race. And think how happy Kos et al will be if the CFG primaries Lincoln Chafee.
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...successful round of Republican primary victories is
backfiring in...
Pretty much describes the whole right wing agenda in a nutshell,
now doesn't it?
Not three threads down, there is a whole list of comments bemoaning how the Republicans have become the party of big government and spend worse than Democrats. Okay, fair enough. The Club for Growth, unlike the Republicans in Congress actually believes in small government and lower taxes; something most Reasonites claim to also support. Here we have the Club for Growth actually doing something to change the Republicans�' free spending ways by whacking big spending frauds like Chafee and what do we get? A Reason post talking about how wonderful it is that the Club for Growth is failing. I would say that the guys loosing in Virginia to the Dems, who no doubt supported the Governor�s tax hike, is a pretty bad day for Virginia. I don't understand why Weigal doesn't see it that way.
Is the Club for Shrinkage the right wing version of MoveOn? Don't you just love the Midas touch in reverse?
Uh David? A NUMBER of them? I was in Virginia that year, and I
remember it, the CFG was considered a failure, their anti-RINO
candidates only taking out a single fellow Republican. That guy
was, indeed, creamed by the Democrat.
John, you need to buff up on your reading comprehension. David is
pointing out that so far, the CFG effort has resulted in more
democrats, instead of any CFG-friendly Republicans. That's pretty
obviously worth pointing out as a losing strategy whether you are
happy or sad about it.
The Club for Growth, unlike the Republicans in Congress
actually believes in small government and lower taxes; something
most Reasonites claim to also support.
The Club for Growth's support for small government and lower taxes
gets lost for me in their "radical homosexual lobby" talk and
obsessive anti-abortion talk.
Wait a minute...
Are you telling me that "Stave the Beast" supply siders are
adopting a stategy that's counterproductive to their stated
ends?
No, that just isn't possible.
The Club for Growth's support for small government and lower
taxes gets lost for me in their "radical homosexual lobby" talk and
obsessive anti-abortion talk.
Link? Perhaps a handful of endorsed candidates may hold those
views, but I see nothing on the Club for Growth webpage that gives
any indication that those are positions held officially (or
unofficially) by the group.
John: When Grover Norquist stops saying "deficits don't matter", I'll believe the Club for Growth is serious about cutting spending. Until then, they are just an organized group of tax protestors.
' "Crank and Lamborn" sound like villains from a neil Gaiman
novel.'
Sounded like a law firm to me. I don't know Neil Gaimon's books.
Are his villains lawyers?
[Note that I did not ask if lawyers were villains.]
Does anyone besides me detect a cognitive dissonance in CFG's argument that tax cuts are good because they stimulate the economy, thereby GENERATING MORE REVENUE FOR THE GOVERNMENT?
I believe it was Chris Craddock who was the one Republican CFG
victory. He was also anti-homosexual, extreme on abortion, and had
the misfortune of, when asked about AIDS, telling schoolchildren
that "Africans will have sex with anything with a pulse." In NOVA,
that didn't play too well.
His views on homosexuality were also more than a little awful: "
�When we asked him about gay marriage, he said he believes nobody�s
born gay � they turn gay,� said senior Natalie McLarty, 17. �He
said, in his experience, from the gay males he�s known, there are
three ways to become gay: You don�t have a father figure in your
life, you have an abusive father figure or you have no loving
support in your family.�
As for CFG and Norquist, the bottom line is that anyone who thinks
that what a government taxes today is more important than what it
spends today is nothing more than a goofy crank. All that matters
is spending. All spending will be someday paid out of taxes,
regardless of how low you manage to get the tax rates in the here
and now. Focusing on cutting taxes is like mucking around with the
size of your monthly credit card debt payment without curtailing
the spending habits that got you into debt in the first place.
jf, you're quite right those are not positions of the Club for
Growth, they do seem to be the positions taken by candidates Club
for Growth endorses.
I am in fact very sympathetic to the rhetoric of the Club for
Growth. Unfortunately every single candidate that I have seen
endorsed by them has gone to great lengths to stress the lengths he
will go to end the homo scourge and close the abortion mills.
Maybe The Club for Growth supports some actual libertarians but for
the most part they are supporting conservatives with an emphasis on
social conservative.
I'm sure that that's not exactly what Steve Moore intends but when
you work with republicans your raw material is more than likely to
be poor quality.
Remember that almost every Republican in the House and Senate today
ran on a cut taxes and spending platform.
I gotta say I find the original post confusing. Just one slot
below you have a post bashing Gov. Ahnult, for being "squishy" in a
state that shouldn't have a Republican govenor at all.
And it can be said about Ahnult, that some of his important
philosophical defeats were handed to him directly by the
electorate, in the form of rejected ballot propositions...shouldn't
he be placing himself somewhere near the California center of
gravity?
The difference between the Club for Growth and the current
republicans in office is that the club does not have the power of
the taxpayer's purse.
Current history has proven, party affiliation is irrelevent with
who spends. Once you have the power to spend, you use it. I agree
with Ron.
If only I had a dollar for every politician that promised fiscal
responsibility and did the opposite.
you know there was some noise about the republicans endorseing a
libertarian who actaully is on the ballet in Tom Delay's old
district...when i read it i thought oh good a reason article will
soon follow...it never came and this just reminded me...
what the fuck guys?
anyway this is where i read about it:
http://www.poorandstupid.com/2006_08_13_chronArchive.asp#115594231020662179
Some Republicans think the party should simply back Mr.
Smither. "I'm not convinced a write-in will succeed," says Jerry
Patterson, a Texas Land Office commissioner. "We should seriously
consider supporting Bob Smither. Nick Lampson could be the one vote
that elects Nancy Pelosi as Speaker." Another prominent Republican
from out of state endorsed Mr. Smither yesterday. Bob Barr, the
former Georgia congressman who served as a House manager during the
impeachment trial of Bill Clinton, says Mr. Smither might be an
improvement over the write-in alternatives: "I don't see him going
to Washington and voting for bigger government the way so many
Republicans have done."
"Africans will have sex with anything with a pulse."
I actually prefer the politics of shame then to dumping billions
into currupt nations as a reward for thier citizens unhealthy
sexual behavior.
Note: I said unhealthy not imoral...poeple can fuck whoever they
want but they should not come crying for big nanny to bail them out
when they catch the clap.
John,
I warned you. There is one "o" in lose. Now I will exact
retribution when you least expect it.
"I am in fact very sympathetic to the rhetoric of the Club for
Growth. Unfortunately every single candidate that I have seen
endorsed by them has gone to great lengths to stress the lengths he
will go to end the homo scourge and close the abortion mills.
"Maybe The Club for Growth supports some actual libertarians but
for the most part they are supporting conservatives with an
emphasis on social conservative.
"I'm sure that that's not exactly what Steve Moore intends but when
you work with republicans your raw material is more than likely to
be poor quality."
Where would you go for better quality material among
politicians?
Presumably the Club For Growth does not attempt to, and does not
have the power to, raise a candidate from nowhere into contention
all alone. So they have to start with someone who's already shown
some following, or they have to ally with persons with whom,
together they may have the power to raise a nobody
into contention. Either way involves compromise.
It may just be that among persons who are interested in
activism/public service/leadership, being pro freedom on bread
& butter correlates strongly positively with the views you
decry re homosexuality & abortions. Whether you look in the GOP
or elsewhere, it may be hard to find persons with the right
personal characteristics & interests who also are also pro
freedom on bread & butter while not having those views on
homosexuality & abortions.
Robert-
I also have a theory along those lines. I don't think that there's
any particular reason why a staunch economic conservative should
also be a staunch social conservative, if you just go by issues.
However, "staunchness" might be a personality trait. A person who
has a go along/get along approach to politics will play it close to
the center because that's the way he does it. A person who's
willing to go all the way will REALLY go all the way because that's
the kind of guy he is. And they go all the way on both types of
issues because, well, the parties have created these molds.
But I have no idea if I'm right.
I don't really buy the logic that the only good fiscal
conservatives are also social conservatives. In the first place,
the modern social conservative is an evangelist cast in the same
mold as the old-style Progressive. They believe that they should
reform the world according to God's plan and that means using
government as a vehicle for intervention. This is not a mindset
that lends itself to fiscal conservatism. As evidence, I offer the
last five years of Republican government.
I also suggest that forcing the the voter to pay for all the
goodies he demands in advance, in coin of the realm, is a lot more
likely to lead to demands for reduced government spending than the
bogus logic of "starving Leviathan." Leviathan can simply borrow to
feed his appetite. Holding up the middle class for whatever it
takes to zero out the books will get them to take a sharper look at
where the money is going.
I'm with Ron and plunge: the "Club For Growth" is just another
Republican front. Their commitment to genuine fiscal reform is
pretty weak. But promising to cut taxes will get them elected so
they can carry out their gay-bashing program and that's why the
"Club For Growth" exists.
Kos et al
I've never seen anyone refer to himself via such a peculiar form of
third-person address.
That district is the most Republican leaning congressional
district here in Colorado.
Rep. Hefley, who hs a fine record of voting for less government
spending, is being untrue to the cause of ficcal conservatism by
not enthusiastically endorsing Doug Lamborn. Lamborm has the 2nd
highest rating form the Colorado Union of Taxpayers (CUT) for
voting for less government spending in the State House:
http://www.coloradotaxpayer.org/New/CUTBrochure2005.pdf
CUT, like the National Union of Taxpayers (NTU), awards good
ratings for voting for less total government spending.
BTW, here is the NTU ratings for Colorado's congressional
delegation. Note how well the Republicans score and how poorly the
big government Dems do. (A's and B's vs all F's and one D for the
Dems) Despite the abandonment of fiscal conservatism by the Bush
administration, Colorado's Republicans in congress still rack up
excellent voting records for less government
spending.
National Taxpayers Union ratings of Congress. Colorado
delegation:Name 2005 Grade & % 2004 Grade & %
Rep. Beauprez- B 64 B+ 72
Rep. DeGette- F 15 F 11
Rep. Hefley- B+ 69 A 77
Rep. Musgrave- A 70 A 77
Rep. Salazar, John- D 26
Rep. Tancredo- A 80 A 81
Rep. Udall, Mark- F 16 F 13
Sen. Allard- A 80 A 84
Sen. Ken Salazar- F 14
How did those NTU champions of fiscal conservatism, Beauprez and Hefley, rationalize their votes for Medicare Part D? Spines like Pillsbury Ho Ho's?
Ron,
Yep, as good as they are reletive to most of the others, they sure
aren't Ron Paul.
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