Tim Cavanaugh | July 1, 2006
USA Today says it can no longer support key claims in its blockbuster May article about the National Security Agency's program of collecting customer records from major phone carriers. You'll recall that McPaper claimed AT&T, BellSouth, and Verizon had contracted with the NSA to provide bulk calling records from their customers. BellSouth and Verizon disputed that claim soon thereafter, while AT&T has since updated its privacy policy. Now USA Today says in a note to readers that it cannot prove that BellSouth and Verizon contracted with the NSA. (The paper's claims about AT&T, as well as about Verizon subsidiary MCI, appear to be unchanged.) Says USA Today:
The denial was unexpected. USA TODAY had spoken with BellSouth and Verizon for several weeks about the substance of the report. The day before the article was published, the reporter read the sections of the article concerning BellSouth and Verizon to representatives of the companies and asked for a denial before publication.
At the time, BellSouth did not deny participation in the program, but it issued a statement saying the company "does not provide any confidential customer information to the NSA or any government agency without proper legal authority." Verizon said that it would not comment on national security matters and that it acts "in full compliance with the law" and with respect for customers' privacy...
USA TODAY also spoke again with the sources who had originally provided information about the scope and contents of the domestic calls database. All said the published report accurately reflected their knowledge and understanding of the NSA program, but none could document a contractual relationship between BellSouth or Verizon and the NSA, or that the companies turned over bulk calling records to the NSA.
In the attached story, the Last Frontier's very senior senator says real Americans don't call long distance:
"It was not cross-city calls. It was not mom-and-pop calls," said Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, who receives briefings as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Defense subcommittee. "It was long-distance..."
The real loser in the retraction is Qwest Communications, which, as enquiring minds know, had briefly become the terrorists' favorite phone carrier:
Of course the leftwing nuts want to point out the brave groups 'speaking to power', so they alert the terrorists to shift all their communications over to Qwest because Qwest is not partnering with the NSA to help find potential 9-11 terrorists here in the country.
Following that, um, logic, I say a country where there's even competition for the terrorist phone dollar has still got a few moves left. God bless America!
Jacob Sullum tapped into the president's claims about the program.
Jeff Taylor crank called the major carriers.
Various Reason staffers gave the NSA an earful.
Nick Gillespie identified the most disturbing if predictable facet of the story: that most Americans seemed to think having the government survey your phone records is just jim-dandy.
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That's a shame. I thought Nick had more sense than that.
Conversations were not being recorded, merely who called what
number.
One of the complaints you hear, and I've voiced too, about this war
is that, unlike WWII, other than the military and their families,
there are few calls on Americans to sacrifice for the effort. Maybe
that's wise, as it appears a large part of society intends to
sscrifice nothing.
I'd be happy to sacrifice some conveniences if it would help win the war. I would gladly put up blackout curtains. I would pull out my milkweeds and put in a victory garden. However, I'm unwilling to give up any rights to fight the Clusterfuck on Terror, since that would defeat the purpose of defeating the terrorists, and then they actually will have won (tongue determinedly not in cheek).
also, I don't see where Nick claimed that conversations were being recorded, so I'm taking The Owner's Manual's comments even less seriously, by which I mean they are fucking stupid.
Maybe that's wise, as it appears a large part of society
intends to sscrifice nothing.
So you'll gladly sacrifice your privacy for an undeclared war? Go
right ahead; don't expect others to join you, however.
In this case, it's not just the invasions of privacy and the serious civil liberties problems. It's the vast, ginormous waste of resources devoted to sifting through the gazillion pizza order haystack for that one terrorist needle. For those who don't do metaphor: the chances of finding anything useful by reviewing every single phone bill in the country, without regard to source or destination is pretty close to zero. If we're going to give up important freedoms, at least do it for something that might do some good.
The Owner's Manual wrote: "Maybe that's wise, as it appears a
large part of society intends to sscrifice [sic] nothing."
Damn straight. I'm not sacrificing one iota of anything to the
"war".
"If you want to see the ultimate, suicidal extreme of altruism, on
an international scale, observe the war in Vietnam -- a war in
which American soldiers are dying for no purpose whatever. This is
the ugliest evil of the Vietnam War, that it does not serve any
national interest of the United States -- that it is a pure
instance of blind, senseless, altruistic, self-sacrifical
slaughter. This is the evil -- not the revolting stuff the Vietniks
are howling about."
"The Wreckage of the Consensus", delivered as a lecture in April,
1967, reprinted in _Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal_, pg. 224
(paperback, 2nd ed. Nov. 1967).
If the Vietnam War served *no* interest of the US, then the "War on
Terror" serves even less, given that al-Q'aida cannot even muster
one-tenth of one percent of the power of 1960s-era Communism.
Jack,
It is not the power they can muster, it is the power they apply.
9/11 ring a bell? 3,000 lives lost and a half trillion in GDP.
Surely even libertarians understand money and economic
disruption.
It is stuff like I'm hearing here that made me leave the
party.
Back in the bad old days I used to be a communist. The Lib foreign
policy prescriptions for America sound suspiciously like the
communist foreign policy prescriptions for America. That foreign
policy (and bad economics) was one of my reasons for leaving the
left. I never imagined in my wildest dreams that Libs would take up
the communist line.
Back in the bad old days I used to be a
communist.
Just like the occasional H&R poster named Andrew. Why is it
that the former commies are the most ones most willing to forgive
any bad decisions made for the alleged purpose of defense?
The Lib foreign policy prescriptions for America sound
suspiciously like the communist foreign policy prescriptions for
America.
The Lib foreign policy presciptions for America also include free
trade on a scale that would horrify commies. We know that the free
flow of people, products, and information will bring about more
positive change in the world than any amount of war or
espionage.
It was not mom-and-pop calls," said Sen. Ted Stevens,
R-Alaska, who receives briefings as chairman of the Senate
Appropriations Defense subcommittee. "It was
long-distance..."
I haven't made a local call to my parents in 10 years. Even when I
lived in LA and they were in Orange County, it was still long
distance. With the ubiquity of cell phones, long distance as a
different concept from local calling has all but disappeared. When
you add unlimited calling plans for under $30, the increased
splitting of area codes (making dialing the area code for local
calls more common) a phone call is just a phone call.
I suppose Alaska may be different because the state has one area
code and long distance is really far away. But here in the
continental states (where all offers are valid) it ain't no
thang.
To T.O.M's point about us not being asked to sacrifice during
war: We've all heard this point before, and I think most people
agree to some extent, with the usual example being how we were
essentially asked to go shopping after 9/11 vs. being asked to save
cooking grease for bombs during WW2. But we are all sacrificing
right now, and I don't just mean by the debt we are taking on (but
that too). Look at historical charts of US government or US
military spending over the past century or two (link below) and
you'll see the charts start with very modest spending with huge
spikes during and just after the civil war, WW1 and WW2. But, after
WW2, and ever since, the spending levels stayed very high and kept
growing. Since the "great wars" we have been sacrificing before,
during, and after every war.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2005/sheets/hist01z1.xls
I couldn't find the same charts I've seen in the past. This table
is good though. It seems most gov't data wants to give military
expenditures as a percent of GNP as opposed to "how much did we
spend on bullets" in a given year. This sort of hides the amount we
are spending since our modern GNP is so massive - we could spend
more year after year and have it look like less. With a "dollars
only" look, WWII never ended.
Remember a couple of years ago, when news of the infamous "Bin
Laden Determined to Strike Inside U.S." memo surfaced?
Administration apologists insisted that it was understandable for
the powers-that-be to overlook it because, they said, there was
just SO much information to sift through that you couldn't
reasonably expect our intelligence agencies to notice such a tiny
little threat as this one. The "needle in a haystack" metaphor was
invoked by these same apologists.
So if 3,000 Americans died because our intelligence agencies suck
at finding a needle in a haystack, how exactly is adding more hay
to the stack supposed to keep us safer?
I've asked that same question on many a thread here, and have YET
to hear this program's defenders answer it. Maybe today's the day
I'll get lucky.
Oh waaah, a couple of grand worth of lives. Not like existing
policy has topped that more than linda lovelace.
Sieze the internet if you want, just expect a fight.
So if 3,000 Americans died because our intelligence agencies
suck at finding a needle in a haystack, how exactly is adding more
hay to the stack supposed to keep us safer?
Well, now it turns out
more hay was being added to the stack before 3000
Americans died.
I've asked that same question on many a thread here, and have
YET to hear this program's defenders answer it. Maybe today's the
day I'll get lucky.
Somehow, I don't think you ought to hold your breath.
Off topic: has anyone else noticed that Fox News refers to Bush as the Commander in Chief, not as the President?
It's funny that we don't hear too much about Article I, Section
8,
"The Congress shall have power ...
"To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high
seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
"To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make
rules concerning captures on land and water;
"To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that
use shall be for a longer term than two years;
"To provide and maintain a navy;
"To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and
naval forces ... ,"
and Article II, Section 3,
"The President shall ... take care that the laws be faithfully
executed ... ."
Why should we waste our time considering the constitutional limits
on the powers of the commander in chief - and the corrosive effects
of ignoring those limits - when we can wet our pants over bin Laden
and his fellow cave-dwellers?
The current Green Scare is just as disgusting as the previous Red
Scares. Not because of the actual threat but because of the
hysterical reaction to it. Congress is supine and the Executive
almost untrammeled because Republican bedwetters and Democrat
nannies both think the purpose of government is not to "secure the
blessings of liberty" but to promote the specific welfare of
individual and group interest. We will be neither happier nor safer
trading our Liberty for a putative Sicherheitsstaat.
Why should we waste our time considering the constitutional
limits on the powers of the commander in chief - and the corrosive
effects of ignoring those limits - when we can wet our pants over
bin Laden and his fellow cave-dwellers?
Typcial NRO/Freeper/LGF Warpig: Well... the founders could not have
forseen the threat of global extremism or the... the.. the...
REMEMBER 9-11!!! WHY DO YOU PINKO COMMIE LIBERALS HATE
AMERICA?!?!?
The remorseful ex-Commies support the President and attack civil liberties because, in the end, their beliefs didn't really change all that much. They still have starry-eyed faith in the wisdom of an all-encompassing State. Communism as an economic philosophy may have gone out of style, but authoritarism as a political philosophy is alive and well and being actively promoted by ex-Communists who insist they've "changed."
"It was not cross-city calls. It was not mom-and-pop calls,"
said Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, who receives briefings as chairman
of the Senate Appropriations Defense subcommittee. "It was
long-distance..."
Way to give hints to the terrorists, Ted. Expect your treason
charges by the end of the week.
To which warpigs I would reply ...
Revolutionary War - about .06% of the male population killed; much
of the country occupied by foreign troops; economy ... well, it
couldn't have been good for the economy; notable political
documents and legislation include the Declaration of Indpendence,
Aritcles of Confederation and the Constitution
War on Terror - about .0007% of the male population killed so far
(including 9/11); no foreign troops on US soil; negligible affect
on theeconomy; notable political documents include the Patriot Act,
presidential signing statements and John Yoo's memos
Quite a distinguished record we've got going.
It figures that the NSA gets grief for asking poor 'widdle
AT&T to provide number blocks! Next thing the NSA will have the
GALL to admit they monitor RF spectrum band use as well! Gasp! As
long as they're not watching over the US satellite networks our
civil libert... hold on. That sounds remarkably like, well, part of
the NSA's job description?
Doesn't it occur to anyone that AT&T has more personal and
financial information on more Americans, in more detail, than the
NSA???? Maybe this is the wrong forum, but AT&T outsources
their Tier 1 broadband tech support to perfectly random call
centers in India. I'm sure AT&T is extra careful not to
automatically use the account ID's as default free email addresses
for new accounts. As the tier 1 techs can reset the account
password, which together with the account ID is used to access the
ISP end firewall, it's lucky AT&T is moving the call centers
back to the US in six months. I wonder if international calling
card sales will pick up next quarter?
So my Libertarian droogs, do you all imagine an Indian call center
is likely to be owned and operated by Mother Theresa's nuns?
(serving America's tech support needs whilst washing the feet of
lepers no doubt). Hey, maybe that the guy on the phone loves you so
much he'd die rather than allow your beloved American privacy to be
infringed upon 10,000 miles away in corruption free India?? Right.
AT&T loves the Consitution and it's customers and freedom and
puppies. Sure.
"...negligible affect on theeconomy...."
The effect on the money supply of our hysterical "defense" spending
binge may not have manifested itself fully yet, but it is not
"negligible."
A. Scott,
When AT&T has the power to arrest me, I'll worry about what
AT&T does. AT&T is working with the people that can, so now
I'm concerned.
"When AT&T has the power to arrest me, I'll worry about what
AT&T does. AT&T is working with the people that can, so now
I'm concerned."
Exactly.
the most disturbing if predictable facet of the story: that
most Americans seemed to think having the government survey your
phone records is just jim-dandy.
Uh...
The Fedreral Government also surveys, investigates, and
keeps records on my W-2, W-4, 1099-B, 1099-INT, 1099-G,
and my mortgage... not to mention my auto, home and life insurance,
my investments, my firearms, my credit history, my medical history-
(including my 'addictions'), etc. ad nauseum.
Why should this one item-- which is
less of a threat to my 'freedom' than
anything mentioned above!--
suddenly be important to me?
I know... GWB is the worst pResident of all times!
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