Nick Gillespie | March 5, 2006
From today's Wash Post:
Flights as cheap as bus fares are changing the rhythm of European life. Growing numbers of Europeans are buying second homes in other countries because they can afford to travel to them frequently, creating building booms along seasides from Croatia to Portugal. Low airfares have also given rise to Euro commuters -- the increasing numbers of people who work in one country and spend weekends with their families in another.
Whole thing, including tales of cross-dressing Brits in Bratislava for bachelor parties, here.
If any of it sounds a year late and a dollar short, it's because former Reasonoid Matt Welch covered this beat over a year ago in his January 2005 piece, "Fly the Frugal Skies: How low-cost airlines have transformed Europe--and what it means for America." The short answer: A much more-interesting Europe--and a challenge to U.S. business as usual.
The Wash Post story was forwarded by reader and movie critic extraordinare Alan Vanneman, who also sent along this fascinating New York Times Magazine story that argues convincingly that the mortgage-interest deduction for homeowners is useless--and essentially bulletproof politically.
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It is so unfair! The European young people have much more of a global view, and have a chance to see more cultures so much easier than Americans. They go to Egypt, and we go to...Florida.
As much as I like the cross-dressing trip to the shooting range part, it was a real mistake to for the writer to include it. It's only tangentially related and it totally overshadows the main story.
and check out the cross dressers at the shooting range in the video that's on the same page, it's loads of laughs!
Hey happy,
They have the whole world's cultures at Disneyw...er, Epcot Center
in Orlando. Why experience the hassle of the real thing when you
can be in a Bush state instead after hours?
Thanks Alan!
I've been trying to convince people for years that the mortgage
interest deduction is evil. (Anything that favors the rich over the
poor is evil in my estimation.) My efforts were never received
warmly by homeowners, regardless of their political views, leading
me further down the path of misanthropy.
IMHO, if you support the MID, you're a prick of the first
order.
IMHO, if you support the MID, you're a prick of the first
order.
call me a prick but a tax cut is a tax cut.
It is so unfair! The European young people have much more of
a global view, and have a chance to see more cultures so much
easier than Americans.
*glup* I just puked in my mouth.
joshua: obviously, you didn't read the article. The proposal is
not to raise taxes (although, given the deficit they're running,
keeping the money would be common sense) but to change the way the
taxes are collected. The money collected by eliminating the
deduction would be used to reduce the rates.
The logic is that the subsidy causes malinvestment. People are
encouraged to buy the most expensive homes possible instead of
investing their money in productive enterprises. You might hope
your home goes up in value but that doesn't make it an investment.
It's just speculating in the future value of a consumer item. You
might as well have a deduction favoring the purchase of baseball
cards. This would send hordes of people out to buy baseball cards.
Good for Comic-book Guy, I suppose, but bad for the economy.
The government should figure out how much money it's going to
collect and set the rates accordingly instead of trying to use the
tax code for social engineering. But since the absurdly complex tax
code is a good place to hide special favors for wealthy friends,
don't expect them to engage in any real reform.
IMO, the MID issue is one of those "break" issues where you can
tell the difference between a libertarian and a Republican who
likes to smoke pot.
James nails the reason - it's not really a tax cut, it's a
government directive veiled in the guise of a tax cut. You get to
keep your money, but only if you use like we want you to...
The problem with eliminating the mortgage interest deduction is
that there would be some people seriously harmed by it. A 15% drop
in a $600,000 house? Not a big deal? It's a hell of a big deal for
a two-income couple that stretched their income to the max to buy
it. A fifteen percent drop would wipe out all the equity they had
in the house and more. 15% of a house in that price range is
equivalent to college tuition for their kids. Do only rich people
live in $600,000 houses? Go to California and ask that
question.
And even with a phaseout, wouldn't the price impact would be
immediate anyway? That is, after the change, a house buyer would
know that, after 10 years of ownership say, the house would be
worth 15% less than it would have if the deduction remained in
place--wouldn't that result in a comparable 15% drop in price at
the front end?
With a phaseout, the price drop should also phase in. Make it 30
years, the length of a mortgage, and it becomes imperceptible, and
pointless.
The MID makes a much sense as any tax break. Hybrids, but not
diesels? Please.
As part of a switch to a flat tax, then eliminating the MID makes
sense. However, it should be the last thing eliminated.
So what if it only benefits the rich? The whole purpose of the tax
system is to benefit the poor, since poor people don't pay income
tax.
The money collected by eliminating the deduction would be
used to reduce the rates.
Of course it would, sweetheart...after all, it's not like Bush
would exploit that opportunity to reduce the yawning deficit at the
expense of the middle class.
With a phaseout, the price drop should also phase in. Make
it 30 years, the length of a mortgage, and it becomes
imperceptible, and pointless.
You apparently don't work in financial markets. NO change, once
enacted, is ever "phased in". Current prices and values are
immediately recalculated using the new variables, regardless of
when the actual savings/costs are to be realized.
For example, home interest rates don't rise the day the FOMC
announces a rate hike; the changes to rate pricing are factored in
over the preceding weeks based on rumors backed by public
statements by the members.
zardoz-
I realize that markets respond quickly, but wouldn't markets react
differently if the change in the tax code will take 30 years to
implement, due to the time value of money?
If it's announced that a change in the tax code will
(hypothetically) increase the annual tax burden by $900 for the
owner of a particular home, then the price should drop right away,
of course, and the drop should be about $900 divided by the
discount rate. But if it's announced that the tax burden will
increase by $30 this year, $60 next year, all the way up to $900 in
30 years, that stream of liabilities has a lower present value. The
effect of the tax change on sale value therefore phases in
slowly.
Or am I missing something?
I realize that markets respond quickly, but wouldn't markets
react differently if the change in the tax code will take 30 years
to implement, due to the time value of money?
Especially when you consider that the benefit from the mortgage
interest deduction is front-loaded by two effects: the first
payment is all interest while the last is no interest; and the
first payment is in 2006 dollars while the last is in 2036
dollars.
In fact, it is the banks who might be most stuck with the drop in
housing prices. I'd expect a long MID phase-out will result in
significant discounts on shorter term mortgages.
In any event, mortgage companies make gambles all the time on
housing valuations 30 years in the future. Losing 15% over 30 years
is interesting, but mostly noise. If GDP growth increases by three
or four tenths of a percent a year due to the more rational tax
code, that more than makes up for the 15%.
Thoreau, while your theory makes sense, it wouldn't really work
that way, any more than the fact that a lender charges a borrower a
price for a 30 year mortgage *now*, without knowing what the cost
of those funds would be 5, 10, or 29 years later. People take a
gamble when they bank on future values: just ask any S&L banker
who had their 1988 assets tied up in 5% VA loans from the 1960's
while they were paying out 16% on CDs. Many banks foundered due to
reasons like that, not just fraud.
Here are some other variables that no-MID folks are not taking into
account. Property taxes collected by towns/counties are based on
projections of the town's needs over the foreseeable future. Those
taxes are levied according to estimated assessed value of the home,
then multiplied by a factor to generate the required revenue. (I'm
sure you know this anyway, but allow me to elaborate for the rental
crowd here.)
Logically, when the assessed values begin to drop based on the drop
in demand and prices (houses would now be more expensive), tax
revenue would drop. The town has to make this up somewhere;
schools, roads, bridges, levies and other services/infrastructure
must be maintained per public demand.
Here's the problem: some states, like MA and CA, have property cap
laws, like Prop 2 1/2 here. By statute the homeowner's prop taxes
can go up no more than 2.5% per annum, but the factors determining
the appropriate tax revenue may drop by 15%. We all know what the
solution would be here: override votes to raise taxes in every
community in the state, pitting older homeowners against younger
homeowners/renters with kids in the local schools. It would be a
disaster.
Or, here's the alternative: leave the homeowners alone, but raise
commercial taxes, preferably by creating new businesses rather than
raising tax rates. At that point you run into Kelo: towns managers
will do anything to bring BigBox Corp to town rather than pass an
unpopular massive tax hike, and they'll take Farmer Brown's field
to build a mall if that's what it takes.
This, incidentally, is why real estate in NH will never be worth
what it is in MA, yet prop taxes will be higher. As there a few
other sources of tax money in NH, towns must lean on homeowners
while renters get off scott free.
Be careful what you wish for...
...towns must lean on homeowners while renters get off scott
free.
Scot free? Are you saying that apartment building owners are
assessed no property taxes?
If they are I'd bet they pass them on to tenants.
In fact, it is the banks who might be most stuck with the
drop in housing prices. I'd expect a long MID phase-out will result
in significant discounts on shorter term mortgages.
Not likely. When lenders are upside down in terms of equity--and
they will be--they will begin to charge premiums for credit as they
will begin to anticipate losses. You will begin to see a sea change
in lending leading to a credit crunch across the board, from
housing to commercial to consumer credit. Since the economy relies
on massive spending, this crunch will hit the GDP like a stroke.
After all, the situation I just described is what happened
throughout the US in the early 1990's recession, when the bottom
fell out the market.
And that bottom would fall out. Many of you don't seem to realize
that financial and real estate markets are glass-half-empty
industries--they like to make money but are terrified of losing a
single cent. Things like rate drops and new finance products take
time to emerge, but interest rates can go through the roof in a day
on a rumor, and programs can be cut off without notice.
If they are I'd bet they pass them on to tenants.
If they are able to, yes. But in some cases market rents are not
rising as fast as prices or taxes (Providence RI springs to mind,
based on my experience). When a city increases its tax load on the
apartment building owner, it doesn't translate into an immediate or
even potential rent increase to the tenant. Leases cannot be
altered midway without a tenants' consent, and keeping 100%
occupancy is far preferable to raising the rent and chancing a good
tenant moving somewhere cheaper--and you being unable to find a new
tenant. When you're a landlord, that's what you have to
consider.
In Minnesota property taxes on rental property is much higher
than on owner-occupied dwellings. At one point, it was three times
as high but it came down during a rental crunch in the late
nineties. The taxes are passed onto the tenants like all other
costs or, more precisely, the owner pays whatever costs he has to
and charges as much as the market will bear.
Lowering the tax rates does not necessarily reduce rents. When the
rental market is tight, rents go up, regardless of the tax rate.
When vacancies are high, rents go down, regardless of the tax rate.
The tax rate is, essentially, an operating cost that is factored
into the equation of whether or not to BUILD a property, based on
the projected lifecycle revenues.
And here is where the taxes influence the market: the owner is
stuck trying to guess vacancy rates and rental income over a
twenty-five year period. He has a pretty good idea of how much it's
going to cost him to run the building, but not how much he's going
to get paid for doing so. Property taxes are a projected cost that
might be recovered...or maybe not. If taxes are very high, the
possibility of losing money is increased. Yes, people have been
known to lose money renting property.
So with the tax structure grossly punishing rental properties in
Minnesota, they simply didn't get built in anything like the
necessary number of units. When the crisis came, vacancy rates were
at one percent, which is pretty much a statistical zero. You could
call it the number of apartments being painted. Rents zoomed and
the state dealt with it by lowering property taxes. A worse problem
is that the city governments don't like apartment buildings and try
to zone them out of existence, but that's another story. The crisis
has since passed and rents have actually fallen to mid-nineties
levels, artificially dragging down the CPI, but that's yet another
story.
Incidentally, the state revenue agencies assume that all property
taxes are, in fact, passed onto the renter. They have a renter's
tax rebate program for poor families (I collected it when I was
working for minimum wage) and the landlords have to provide them
with a Certificate of Rent Paid that has an estimate of the
property taxes paid on their apartment. The landlord pays the taxes
as a cost of doing business and the tenant gets them back. Neat,
huh?
As best as I can tell, rental demand is softer because the factors allowing marginal people to buy homes have never been stronger. Other than that, it's anybody's guess. But it is a fact: A 3 family house that would sell in Providence for $250,000 with gross rents of $2250 now goes for $340,000, with estimated market rents of $2850. Not much reason to jump at that. But those transactions are happening every day.
Sorry, that $250,000 price was from 2004. The $340,000 price is current since July.
I've never really known anyone who expected to make an operating
profit on rentals. What they hoped to do was get a capital gain on
the sale of the property. If they were operating at a loss that was
offset by the fact that they were converting income at high income
tax rates into capital gains which would be taxed at a lower rate.
Of course, there has been a lot less incentive to do this since
income tax rates have been cut so much since 1980 or so.
Any way you look at it, this stuff has market distortion due to
government policy written all over it.
Actually I have some Australian friends who make an operating
profit on rentals, but then we're looking at an entirely different
market.
IMO, the MID issue is one of those "break" issues where you
can tell the difference between a libertarian and a Republican who
likes to smoke pot.
bullshit.
Does the governemtn get less money? yes...does the tax payer get to
keep more of her money? yes.
Is it worse then a more broad based shrinking of government and tax
structure? yes, but is it also better then nothing? FUCK YES.
From the article "just under $2,000 per return." is saved by the MID. Hey man, I don't know where this guy is from, but where I'm from, $2000 is $2000. If they want me to give that back, they better find another way to give me back my cash, otherwise, fuck 'em.
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