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How Representative Can They Be If They All Turn Down Free Porn?
The Salt Lake Tribune reports that Hustler Publisher Larry Flynt has been sending his magazine to every member of Congress for somewhere between two decades (according to a 1983 A.P. story) and three decades (according to Flynt). None so far has admitted to liking it, but they have to take it--something about the First Amendment and seeking redress of grievances. Legislators train their staffers to identify the plain manila envelope in which the magazine arrives so it can be immediately discarded without sullying the sanctity of congressional chambers.
The Tribune story apparently was prompted by Utah Rep. Chris Cannon's recent unsuccessful effort to cancel his complimentary subscription. A Focus on the Family analyst advises Cannon and other Flynt-phobic members of Congress to ask the Justice Department whether Hustler is legally obscene and can therefore be blocked. Of course, making that determination might require opening the envelope.
[Thanks to Mike Alissi for the link.]
|2.16.06 @ 12:30PM|#
I'm pretty sure Flynt already took this very issue to the Supreme
Court, and won. Since the Supreme Court has already ruled it
non-obscene, I doubt anyone's going to be revisiting that ruling.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he's sending out the freebies
just to flaunt his court victory those two decades ago.
|2.16.06 @ 12:32PM|#
This is interesting! So, forget for a moment that these guys are
politicians and therefore anyone can and should write to them with
whatever's on their minds.
But what about the average citizen? Do we have a right to cancel a
complimentary subscription? Is it free speech to send someone
unwanted porn, or is it the receiver's right to not receive it?
Does the method of sending materials matter (U.S. mail vs. FedEx
vs. hand delivery)? Does it make a difference if the receiving
mailbox is on private property or rented, as a P.O. Box?
Yogi|2.16.06 @ 12:33PM|#
Right... I'm sure no copies ever find their way into the Capitol gym's men's lockerroom.
Yogi|2.16.06 @ 12:34PM|#
I think if you could refuse to have things delivered to your house, I would start with all credit card companies and not porn.
|2.16.06 @ 12:35PM|#
Do we have a right to cancel a complimentary
subscription?
I'd see it to be like spam or junk mail - sure it's an annoyance,
but if someone wants to pay to send it to me, it's not that hard to
throw it out.
Yogi|2.16.06 @ 12:39PM|#
I'd see it to be like spam or junk mail
Like the 6 emails a day about penis enhancement that I get.
|2.16.06 @ 12:39PM|#
That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time. Only in Utah
would this even be a story. I'm sure there's many things in D.C.
that will be shocking to a Mormon intern.
|2.16.06 @ 12:43PM|#
But what about the average citizen? Do we have a right to
cancel a complimentary subscription? Is it free speech to send
someone unwanted porn, or is it the receiver's right to not receive
it?
Other than some kind of content restriction, I don't see how this
is any different than Political Fundraiser solicitations,credit
card offers, or 52,000 Free Hours of AOL. I suppose people can send
you whatever they like. For some reason I get "Fast Company" and
"Wired" Magazine sent to my house for free every month.
Although I admit it would be nice to not have so much junk mail to
throw out. I probably throw out about one paper bag (grocery store
size) full of junk mail every month.
I always wondered how effective these types of
marketing/solicitations are, but since it's been going on for so
long I assume it must produce some kind of profitable results
|2.16.06 @ 12:45PM|#
You think Chris Cannon and I can make a deal where his free subscription gets forwarded to me?
|2.16.06 @ 12:56PM|#
Yogi,
"Like the 6 emails a day about penis enhancement that I get.
"
You must be hung like Chuck Norris!! I get 60 of these each day.
Makes me wonder what my wife has been saying about me....
|2.16.06 @ 12:57PM|#
A Focus on the Family analyst advises Cannon and other
Flynt-phobic members of Congress to ask the Justice Department
whether Hustler is legally obscene and can therefore be
blocked.
Please, god, no. Not another reason to see Larry Flynt on the news.
Or [shudder] another Woody Harrelson movie.
|2.16.06 @ 12:57PM|#
I remember the first day I worked in a congressman's office, and while examining the contents of my back-room desk I found a drawer full of Hustlers. Apparently they put them in the drawer until it fills up, then the intern has to surrepticiously dispose of them.
Bob G.|2.16.06 @ 12:58PM|#
Maybe they're not reading it because, in the internet era, such gynecological "entertainment" has become outdated, primitive and irrelevant?
|2.16.06 @ 12:59PM|#
Is it me or does "Chris Cannon" sound like a porn actor's
name?
Perhaps I should call his office and ask.
|2.16.06 @ 1:00PM|#
also, I don't think "surrepticiously" is a word, but it sounds like a good word to describe activities surrounding Hustler.
|2.16.06 @ 1:00PM|#
"So every time we happen to get one, it ends up in the trash
pretty instantly,...It's immediately deposited in an outside trash
bin, so no one else has to be offended by it"
Methinks they doth protest too much.
David Moynihan|2.16.06 @ 1:03PM|#
Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't the guys who used to run Greenleaf
go to jail in Michigan for sending out their materials
unsolicited?
Back in the '70s...
And it was likely the incest stuff, not the
Greenleaf Classics...
|2.16.06 @ 1:04PM|#
"Larry Flynt has been sending his magazine to every member of
Congress for somewhere between two decades"
Ten bucks says Ted Kennedy opens his every month.
|2.16.06 @ 1:07PM|#
I remember the first day I worked in a congressman's office,
and while examining the contents of my back-room desk I found a
drawer full of Hustlers. Apparently they put them in the drawer
until it fills up, then the intern has to surrepticiously dispose
of them.
How many of the pages were stuck together?
|2.16.06 @ 1:12PM|#
Serious idea: Let's take up a collection to send Reason
to every member of Congress.
Even better, how about we send every member of Congress The
Complete Works of Jacob Sullum, in the special edition printed
on hemp paper?
|2.16.06 @ 1:14PM|#
There is a (sometimes hard-to-find) form that you can file with
the post office indicating that you no longer wish to receive mail
from a particular harassing sender. This works with about a 90% hit
rate to get rid of unwanted catalog and magazine
subscriptions.
But I would guess that Congresspeople aren't supposed to do
that.
|2.16.06 @ 1:34PM|#
Being slightly past the middle of the coveted 18-49 demographic,
I'd be curious to see if anybody in the GEN-Y or younger strate
even reads the blue mags much these days, compared to what is
accessible on the Net. I thought I read that Guccione was going
broke.
I know printed material is highly coveted by troops in
Iraq and Afghanistan due to military filters on web access for
mobilized troops (while our politicos wag fingers at the big IT
companies for "aiding and abetting" Chinese censorship), at least
it was when I was over there. I'm sure it's still popular overseas
in other countries where there is either intense Net censorship, or
lack of access to the Web.
I guess I've become so jaded by Internet "freedom", the last time I
saw Mr. Flynt's publication (2004), I glanced at it with as much
interest as a 19th Century stereopticon of a family picnic.
wingnutx|2.16.06 @ 1:45PM|#
I had no problem getting web porn in Iraq, but it's not as, uh, portable.
Yogi|2.16.06 @ 1:57PM|#
I've actually seen a trend that houses of college guys subscribe to Playboy and then leave them scattered around the house where people can readily see them. I think they think women see it as being classier than watching hardcore porn on the web, but still being able to broadcast to the world that they aren't gay.
|2.16.06 @ 2:02PM|#
I'm sure there's many things in D.C. that will be shocking
to a Mormon intern
Yeah, for one thing there are people here who aren't white.
|2.16.06 @ 2:11PM|#
When I was sorting mail on the Hill they ended up in the trash in the office I worked. I would be willing to bet most members don't even know their offices receive them.
Timothy|2.16.06 @ 2:14PM|#
Chicago Tom: From what I understand a 2% response rate on direct mail is pretty damn good.
|2.16.06 @ 2:16PM|#
Chuck Norris doesn't 'hang'. He rests, no matter what kind of platform he is on.
|2.16.06 @ 2:32PM|#
No 6
Is it me or does "Chris Cannon" sound like a porn actor's
name?
www.christycanyon.com
I'm the lovliest legend in adult entertainment. Some of the
staffers even think of me as a lady.
brian423|2.16.06 @ 2:33PM|#
In the distant future, when archaeologists dig up the ruins of
our civilization, they'll read these comments and think we
worshipped Chuck Norris.
Wait a minute! We do!
|2.16.06 @ 3:22PM|#
N6
Is it me or does "Chris Cannon" sound like a porn actor's
name?
I couldn't agree more. I would love to see him and "Dick Lugar"
team up.
|2.16.06 @ 4:17PM|#
HOUSE GOP HANDS JOB
TO BOEHNER
The session began with the flag presentation by an honor guard led
by Captain Standish. After some stiff competition among members,
Rep. John Boehner thrust himself ahead of the pack to win the post
of House Majority Leader. Boehner defeated Rep. Richard Wood, Rep.
Roy Blunt, Rep. Norman Dicks, Rep. Nancy Johnson, Rep. Chris Cannon
(the favorite), Rep. Randy Kuhl, Rep. Madeleine Bordello, Rep. John
Schwartz, and surprise contender Rep. Mary Bono. Rep. Emanuel
Cleaver came in last, and Rep Chris Cox had given up his seat to
head the SEC. (Rep. J.J. Pickle has retired.)
House business turned immediately to the question of missile
defense and pork.
The Wine Commonsewer|2.16.06 @ 4:45PM|#
I think that Flynt is a hypocrite but sending every member of Con-Gress a complimentary subscription to Hustler is pure genius. And it's damn funny too.
|2.16.06 @ 6:05PM|#
I would love to see him and "Dick Lugar" team up.
And if the Senator makes it really big in porn, he'll be a
ranking member (ba-dump-dump)
|2.16.06 @ 6:27PM|#
Ten bucks says Ted Kennedy opens his every month.
Twenty bucks says it's the only thing he, err, "reads."
|2.16.06 @ 6:28PM|#
Trying to quickly think up Dick Armey joke...
What the heck, "Dick Armey" pretty much stands on its own, doesn't
it?
SteveInClearwater|2.16.06 @ 10:04PM|#
YOGI: Like the 6 emails a day about penis enhancement that I
get.
SH: If I were to print out all the penis enhancement emails I
receive each week the stack would be at least nine inches
high.
Though my wife might tell me I was multiplying reality by 1.5x
again.
|2.16.06 @ 10:22PM|#
Larry Flynt has a First Amendment right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. He seems to have a lot of grievances, which he articulates in his magazine. I'm inclined to agree that he can send these grievances to members of Congress. Refusing even to receive the magazines would be (legally speaking, that is) similar to throwing out abolitionist petitions, as Congress did for a few years in the 19th century. The debate on that occasion indicates that this was a mistake, which Congress eventually corrected. If the right to petition is to be meaningful, the person you petition has to at least receive your message. They don't have to act on it, but they should receive it.
|2.16.06 @ 11:47PM|#
I guess I've become so jaded by Internet "freedom", the last
time I saw Mr. Flynt's publication (2004), I glanced at it with as
much interest as a 19th Century stereopticon of a family
picnic.
Except a 19th-century stereopticon would be pretty cool.
Larry A|2.17.06 @ 1:52AM|#
"As a member of the Senate of the United States of America, the
greatist deliberative body on Earth, I would never deny Mr. Flynt
his First Amendment right to petition Congress for redress of
greviances by refusing to receive his mail.
"Of course I don't actually open the copies of Hustler and look at
the pictures. That's what I have interns for.
"Uh. Wait a minute. Strike that last."
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