Jacob Sullum | November 18, 2005
Today I was in a drugstore for the first time since a new Virginia law restricting access to pseudoephedrine took effect. All the cold and allergy remedies that contain the drug have been replaced by merchandise cards like they have for computers at Office Depot or TV sets at Circuit City. If you want some Sudafed, you have to bring the corresponding card to the pharmacist, who will ask you to show ID and sign a register. All this is supposed to interfere with illicit methamphetamine manufacturing, but at best it will shift production away from small local labs and toward the large-scale traffickers who already account for the vast majority of the illicit meth in the U.S.
If you're eager to be inconvenienced in this manner so you can do your part to help achieve a drug-free society, but you don't live in Virginia or one of the other states with similar restrictions, fear not: A federal law restricting pseudoepedrine is expected to pass soon. The good news is that the bill no longer includes new mandatory minimum sentences.
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Good. I want the purchase of cold medicine to become a HUGE pain in the butt for everybody, because I have reached the conclusion that the only way this bullshit country's Soccer Mommies and NASCAR Daddies will realize how evil the War on Drugs is, is if EVERYBODY becomes super-inconvenienced by it.
but at best it will shift production away from small local
labs and toward the large-scale traffickers who already account for
the vast majority of the illicit meth in the U.S.
See, it's always the family meth businesses that get hurt. All
those big businesses are coming in and taking jobs away from small
town meth producers. We need meth subsidies to keep these family
businesses afloat.
Also, the only thing I personally am allergic to is a form of rye grass found only in South America. So ha, ha, ha to the rest of y'all!
This card system became common at Walgreens here in CT, but the reason given was theft. It was easier to keep the stock up front than put sticky anti-theft tags in individual boxes.
I want the purchase of cold medicine to become a HUGE pain
in the butt for everybody
This is unfortunately a trivial pain in the butt. The sheep will
adjust their expectations, just like seat belt laws.
Serious question: it seems to me that the WOD is unique in that it's the only thing in our country where innocent, legal behavior becomes outlawed just because it LOOKS sort of like a crime. I mean, consensual sex hasn't been outlawed in the name of Ending Rape. Driving cars hasn't been outlawed to end hit and run deaths. Compare that to the war on drugs--make it hard to get a legal medication, because it MIGHT be illicit! And remember the case of the little first-grader who gave her friend a baggie of rocks and clover, and got in trouble because it sort-of looked like a drug deal?
Jennifer-
We'll be told that enduring a little inconvenience to buy cold
medicine is our Patriotic Duty. And people will go along with
it.
BTW, is anybody shocked that these laws are going to help the biggest, wealthiest drug producers while driving their small competitors out of business? Of course, to even suggest that this is not a coincidence would of course be preposterous!
Kill all cats everywhere and I wouldn't need over the counter
allergy relief ever again. What bothers me about this is the
availability of 24 hour OTC asthma inhaler has gone away. You have
to have a pharmacist on hand for that late night kitty induced
asthma attack. Plan accordingly.
Under the new regs, some states (some stores?) require you to fill
out a confirmation that you are not, in fact, going to make meth. I
hate the government.
I just thought of a better analogy: like making it illegal to
sell fruit juice to kids, because they MIGHT ferment the juice into
booze.
Seriously, guys--other than the WOD, can you think of anything in
American history where perfectly legal, innocent stuff is made
illegal for the sole reason that a really, really stupid cop might
mistake it for something illegal?
"Kill all cats everywhere and I wouldn't need over the counter
allergy relief ever again."
yeah. cuz kittens lead to clowns. and clowns are evil. wicked.
naughty zoot.
"a really, really stupid cop"
a federal agent?
Jason--
Gotcha. And what a coincidence--both cases involve the government
outlawing things that they have no fucking business outlawing,
anyway!
Small correction: Right now, it's just an Executive Order from
Gov. Warner. But it will become law as soon as the legislature
meets again.
In the recent election, I checked both major party candidates'
statements on this stupidity. Democrat Tim Kaine -- the winner --
fully supported it. Republican Jerry Kilgore opposed it, not out of
any anti-WOD principle, but because the paperwork requirements
would burden small pharmacists. Ugh.
pseudoephedrine
Why bother making meth out of it? In my opinion, it's as potent as
it needs to be already. I've driven a car on meth before. When I
took pseudoephedrine for my cedar fever while visiting Austin, TX,
though, I could barely see straight much less walk. I was stoned
outta my mind.
I'm not allergic to anything I know of, either, but I sometimes
buy asthma medicine to consume before hockey games...the amp from
the pseduoephedrine as well as the bronchiodialator ingredient help
me play better.
Anyway, here in AZ they have the cards you have to take to the
pharmacist, but they don't do anything, just ring you up or hand it
over.
Weird.
Although I suppose if I tried to buy 50 boxes they might say
something.
Lowdog,
Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are related but not the same thing.
You are likely refering to neither of these, but the synthetic
version of ephedrine called ephedrine HCL, which is found in
bronchodilators such as Vasopro. Bronchodilators were the big
loophole in the FDA's ephedra ban, and are the commonly used
replacement for ephedra by dieters and body builders.
I have no idea if ephedrine and ephedrine HCL can be used in meth
production, as I don't know a thing about meth.
Spray paint, box cutters, laser pointers, certain types of glue and some solvents have varied legal status around the country. Arts & crafts stores are a one-stop shop for substance abusers and terrorists.
Jacob Sullum,
We need to ban X-Mas and Turkey Day.
More Heart Attacks During the Holidays:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10018776/site/newsweek/
Smacky,
I have lived in Austin for 25 years now, and I still haven't
experienced "cedar fever". I suspected that this was a fictional
malady that locals used to disguise their cocaine and meth usage.
Thanks for straightening me out! And make sure to let us know the
next time you visit our fair city. M1EK, Shannon Love, and Dave B.
are also in this area.
Psuedoephedrine is obviously a gateway drug. Users quickly move on
to harder drugs like Nyquil, Sominex, Tums, and eventually they
have a full blown addiction to real ephedrine.
This is unfortunately a trivial pain in the butt. The sheep
will adjust their expectations, just like seat belt
laws.
I agree. Especially since there is a replacement for
pseudoephedrine called phenylephrine that is already being used by
Sudafed, Contac, et al.
Now, if there were no replacement THEN it would be a pain in the
ass. And then MAYBE some Soccer moms would realize how stupid the
War on Drugs is.
MP,
Am I wrong that seatbelt laws have actually worked? (by worked I
mean increased usage resulting in fewer deaths/driver over and
above the effects of airbags)
I have lived in Austin for 25 years now, and I still haven't
experienced "cedar fever". I suspected that this was a fictional
malady that locals used to disguise their cocaine and meth usage.
Thanks for straightening me out!
Well, I should point out that I was hopped up on cocaine and meth
at the time of my cedar fever attack.
JUST KIDDING!
I seriously am allergic to cedar pollen. If you haven't had an
attack by now then you probably never will. FYI, my attack occured
in North Austin at Natural Bridge Caverns. Apparently there's a
whole lotta breedin' between the trees up in those parts.
I live in VA. I asked my pharmacist what he thought about
maintaining a log book, he said it's not something that he thought
he'd be doing when he went to college. Apparently, the pharmacists
are responsible for alphabetizing it too, and that he's sure that
someday there will be a log for aspirin!
Maybe the distractions for the pharmacists that these laws bring
will lead to a pharmacist dispensing oxycodone to someone trying to
get tylenol 3...
Phenylephrine does nothing for me, and there is no way I am signing myself up on the suspected tweakers database. I guess I have to go back to having a stuffed-up nose all the time.
Another interesting development. Nyquil has removed
pseudoephedrine from their products without replacing it at all, so
they took the phrase "stuffy head" out of their long sales pitch. I
emailed P&G about this, asking them why they purposely made
their product less effective and did not reduce the price, when (at
least in VA) the old Nyquil had so much other garbage in it that it
was impossible to make meth from it, so it wasn't behind the
counter. Their response was that in some states, anything that
contains pseudoephedrine now or soon will require a
prescription.
I replied to them that since the CVS branded "night time" medicine
still contains pseudoephedrine I see no reason to buy their product
ever again. That was a month ago and they have yet to respond.
I foresee a time in the near future where allergy sufferers will be mugged in the middle of the night by thugs brandishing a cat.
Am I wrong that seatbelt laws have actually
worked?
The objection to seat-belt laws was not due any potential lack of
effectiveness, but was due to the intrusive Nanny state nature of
the policy. My point in relating that to pseudoephedrine was that
people get used to policies that they initially object to on
philosophical grounds but that don't necessarily have a signficant
impact on day-to-day lives.
It is all part of the explanation for the non-stop growth of
government.
A free market solution to seatbelts:
Insurance companies offer you two options.
1. If you get in a crash they will only cover you if you are
wearing a seatbelt
2. If you get in a crash they will cover you regardless of seat
belt usage, but at a much higher premium.
This will allow people to make their own choices without adversely
affecting seatbelt wearer's insurance rates.
MP - I know that ephedrine and psudeoephedrine are 2 different
things. I actually buy an asthma med that has 25mg of
psudeoephedrine and then some sort of HCL as the bronchodilator in
a much higher dose. Can't remember the name of it...it comes in
pill form.
But I wish it was easier to find ephedrine...it's better, imo.
Two points:
Part of the reason pseudophdrine became so poular is because the
FDA banned phenylpropanolamine.
Now the much-ado-about-nothing meth scare is going to send more
people to the doctor for their sinusitis and we'll wind up with
more over-prescribing of antibiotics.
Am I wrong that seatbelt laws have actually worked?
Yes you are wrong. Seat belt USE may work, laws are just
masturbatory scratchings on paper. And air bags have probably been
more helpful anyway.
I got my driver's license before seat-belt laws, yet I always,
always wore my seatbelt from the first time I ever drove. (I've
always been cautious/worried that way.)
Yet I oppose seatbelt laws, and have become especially opposed to
them these last few months, ever since vile groups of Connecticut
cops have started "seatbelt checkpoints." Yes, they'll stop traffic
on a busy thoroughfare during the morning rush hour for this.
They post signs for it: "seatbelt checkpoint ahead." So you know
there's no way they'll actually catch anyone not wearing a
seatbelt. No, it's just one more way for the cops to deliver the
important message to us 'civilians': "We can fuck with you any
damned time we want. What're you gonna do about it, huh?"
Bad enough the bastards take my freedom away; telling me it's for
my own good, health or well-being just adds insult to injury.
Mike,
A Public Choice solution to seatbelts:
Insurance companies decide that a way to lower costs is to reduce
injury rates. Instead of educating their customer base, they lobby
to make the government do all the work. The lobbying costs are far
less than the educational costs. The enforcement costs are passed
along to consumers via mandatory higher general taxes and
occasional use taxes (citations).
The sketchier the area I'm in, the less likely I am to wear a
seatbelt. Clearing a seatbelt so you can draw a weapon from a
strong side holster is no fun.
At highway speeds, you need to continue driving and the seatbelt
matters more anyway, so I always buckle up between the on ramp and
the off ramp.
My grandmother doesn't understand my argument at all. You guys do,
though, right? Right?
Usually when I carry in the car, I take it out of the holster and put it somewhere more easily accessible, such as wedged between the seat and the console.
smacky,
I'm not a pharmacist, and I don't play one on TV either, but I'm
thinking a good treatment for "cedar fever" would be to drink more
gin, to build up an immunity.
Cedar is in the juniper family, and juniper berries flavor gin. In
fact gin get's its name from a corruption of juniper.
Hey, you could put some tonic in there to ward off that pesky
malaria!
You can never be too careful.
Have a great weekend, everyone!
Ruthless -- ya think we could start getting health insurance to cover that treatment?
I'm thinking a good treatment for "cedar fever" would be to
drink more gin, to build up an immunity.
Ruthless,
gin
Now there's a drug you want to keep me away from. You ever
think I'm obnoxious or mean on H&R? Whoa, buddy, you haven't
seen anything unless you've given me some gin.
I've had a bottle of it sitting in my apartment for months. I'm
afraid to open it.
You have a good weekend, too!
And make sure to let us know the next time you visit our
fair city. M1EK, Shannon Love, and Dave B. are also in this
area.
Hey, I live in SA man, not that far.
First they ban meth, then they ban ephedrine, then ephedra, then
pseudoephedrine, then pretty soon they'll be banning good ol'
fasioned caffeine. Makes me want to take up doing drugs just to
thumb my nose at the fed.
Ruthless,
You have explained why I have managed to avoid cedar fever and
malaria. Self medication does work! I will investigate this cure in
some depth this weekend.
The trees they call "cedar" here are more properly known as
"Mountain Juniper". The Germans introduced these trees to central
Texas to ameliorate their homesickness. This was actually one of
the earliest land swindles,as the Germans were led to believe that
the Texas hill country was prime farming land.
Russ, the phenylpropanolamine really worked for me and didn't keep me awake or make my heart race the way pseudophdrine does. Thanks FDA.
Kill all cats everywhere and I wouldn't need over the
counter allergy relief ever again.
So I guess you'll be endorsing Bill
Frist for president. (:
Under the new regs, some states (some stores?) require you to
fill out a confirmation that you are not, in fact, going to make
meth. I hate the government.
Jason, you live in northern Kentucky, right? I think a statute
similar to the Virginia executive order recently went into effect
in Kentucky.
Come up to Ohio. We might make fun of your license plate, but we
won't make you put your name on a government list to get your
allergy medicine. At least not until this federal thing goes into
effect, or our busybodies in Columbus come up with one of their
own.
"The sketchier the area I'm in, the less likely I am to wear
a seatbelt. Clearing a seatbelt so you can draw a weapon from a
strong side holster is no fun."
Better to just put it in the center console. Drawing from a holster
while sitting in a car seat sucks.
Back on topic, I would like to make a suggestion: they should stop
having all of these invidual "War on..."
Just consolidate it. Instead of "The War on Drugs," "The War on
Guns," "The War on Poverty," or "The War on Terror" they should
just roll all of these up into a one-meme burrito. Call it "The War
on Freedom."
...they should just roll all of these up into a one-meme
burrito. Call it "The War on Freedom."
Heh. Best idea of the day. I wonder who we should appoint as the
"Freedom Czar" to prosecute this war?
Here is another of those "carried to its logical conclusion
examples."
War on Freedom... Fuck yeah!
Is this a great country or what?
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