Nick Gillespie | September 6, 2005
Surely there's enough at all levels of government to go around. Here's two opposing views. On this Sunday's Meet the Press, Jefferson Parish President Aaron (*) Broussard blamed FEMA, the federal agency that has a long record of fecklessness:
[State and local officials like me were told] every single day, "The cavalry's coming," on a federal level, "The cavalry's coming, the cavalry's coming, the cavalry's coming." I have just begun to hear the hoofs of the cavalry. The cavalry's still not here yet, but I've begun to hear the hoofs, and we're almost a week out.
Let me give you just three quick examples. We had Wal-Mart deliver three trucks of water, trailer trucks of water. FEMA turned them back. They said we didn't need them. This was a week ago. FEMA--we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my parish. The Coast Guard said, "Come get the fuel right away." When we got there with our trucks, they got a word. "FEMA says don't give you the fuel." Yesterday--yesterday--FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards on our line and says, "No one is getting near these lines." Sheriff Harry Lee said that if America--American government would have responded like Wal-Mart has responded, we wouldn't be in this crisis.
Whole transcript here.
Meanwhile, over at the Wall Street Journal, Bob Williams, a former state legislator whose district was flattened by the eruption of Mt. St. Helens 25 years ago, says it's mostly on Lousiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin:
The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved....
The city's evacuation plan states: "The city of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." But even though the city has enough school and transit buses to evacuate 12,000 citizens per fleet run, the mayor did not use them. To compound the problem, the buses were not moved to high ground and were flooded. The plan also states that "special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific lifesaving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed." This was not done....
The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid....
Unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. It is likely that thousands of people died because of the failure of Gov. Blanco to implement the state plan, which mentions the possible need to evacuate up to one million people.
More here (not certain link will work for non-subscribers).
Update: Corrected Aaron Broussard's name.
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Nick
You write, "FEMA, the federal agency that has a long record of
fecklessness." Surely you mean a federal agency, because
it is not the only one, no?
And back over at NRO, Rich Lowry's getting at the real culprit,
out-of-wedlock births:
http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200509021731.asp
In many senses, however, poverty is indeed dangerous. The root of
it, more than anything else, is the breakdown of the family.
Roughly 60 percent of births in New Orleans are out of wedlock. If
people are stripped of the most basic social support - the
two-parent family - they will be more vulnerable in countless ways,
especially, one assumes, in moments of crisis like that that has
befallen New Orleans. If the tableaux of suffering in the city
prompts meaningful soul-searching, perhaps there can be a grand
right-left bargain that includes greater attention to
out-of-wedlock births from the Left in exchange for the Right's
support for more urban spending (anything is worth addressing the
problem of fatherlessness).
So you get that? The right will increase government spending and
the left will pay more attention to fatherlessness, and there will
be no more misery upon the land.
Let's hear it for the "grand left-right bargain"!
You're right. The link won't work for those of us too cheap to subscribe to the WSJ. We have to save our pennies to subscribe to Reason instead. :-)
I'm going to disagree with both of them, because they're both right! Hopefully the deaths of thousands of people will shine a little light onto where our spending priorities are and government waste. It's too bad people have to die for there to be accountability (though even then that's not always the case), but I'll take what I can get from this cluster-fuck.
Well, don't worry, because President Bush has promised to personally lead the investigation into what went wrong. I'm sure HE'LL get to the bottom of everything. I myself have promised to help him using the insights I gained from my search for Nicole's real killers.
I am betting we will find that the failures at FEMA result from
over-centralization and an institutional desire to plan and control
everything from the top down. Far from disorganized or incompetent
in the way people normally think of such traits, we will find FEMA
to be over-organized and detailed obsessed. Of course, in a highly
chaotic situation were speed is essential such an attitude is
literally lethal.
I think FEMA needs to be organized more like the contemporary
battlefield military with many, small, highly autonomous units
heavily coordinated by a shared data network. In this model, FEMA
agents would move into a disaster zone like a hoard of mice, fixing
smaller problems as they found them and using the net to coalesce
around big problems. Such a model would also make it easier to
integrate private help quickly into the response.
Historically, FEMA has been your classic big government failure but
it seems that many think the solution is to make it even bigger and
more centralized. I predict this approach will fail.
"special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons
unable to transport themselves or who require specific lifesaving
assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in
evacuation procedures as needed."
Translation from bureaucracy-speak to English: "we don't really
know what we're going to do, but we'll come up with something
if/when the time comes".
You can't be too critical of Louisiana politics for me. If anything, highlighting their incompetence on disaster management, distracts form their incompetence on everything else. But what's with FEMA undermining independent relief efforts? Are these allegations true? WTF huh? I mean seriously WTF?
We can argue about who is most responsible for the aftermath, but the whole disaster would have been avoided if the federal government had finished shoring up the levees. The diversion of resources away from this project is where the real blame should fall.
I think a lot of what happened in NO is a good example of moral
hazard, with the locals relying on federal "insurance", and thus
not doing the prudent thing themselves.
They didn't fix/upgrade their levees out of their own pockets,
because they figured if the waited long enough, the feds would pick
up the bill.
They didn't do a lot of things necessary to preserve order because,
at a subconscious level anyway, they knew the National Guard would
show up.
They had jack in the way of disaster response materiel, because
Uncle Sugar will do all that.
To figure out what is FEMA's fault, we probably need to look
outside New Orleans. Clearly there are failures there, and they
seem like they are directly tied to FEMA.
In New Orleans, the biggest problem was that so many people weren't
evacuated (that's a local responsibility) and the lack of police or
national guard (local and state).
Meyer: The shoring up the levees argument is so five days ago. Some
(or all) of the levees that failed were actually upgraded already.
Plus any new work wouldn't have been completed yet. Plus the design
still probably couldn't handle an intense hurricane.
Meyer - you beg the question of why NO and LA didn't upgrade their own damn levees to meet a Category 5 storm.
"State of Louisiana Disaster manual:
Step 1 - Call feds."
Step 2 - Cry and call feds again
Nick,
The story not being told yet is how the media knew Ray Nagin was
lying to the people before the storm and knew he was not doing what
needed to be done - and yet never said a word.
See below:
http://lacowboy.blogspot.com/2005/09/hurricane-katrina-blogger-brendan-loy.html
We can argue about who is most responsible for the
aftermath, but the whole disaster would have been avoided if the
federal government had finished shoring up the levees. The
diversion of resources away from this project is where the real
blame should fall.
What rot.
No levee was going to save New Orleans if Katrina had hit it
head-on as a Cat 5 storm, as was originally predicted. The only
rational thing to do under those circumstances was clear everyone
out of the city, by whatever means were at hand, and come back
afterwards, alive, to pick up the pieces.
Instead, Nagin dithered about whether the evacuation order should
be given, and when it was, whether it should be mandatory or just a
suggestion. Then he suggested that everyone go to the Superdome,
which just barely missed suffering a catastrophic structural
failure that could well have killed everyone sheltering
there.
Levees will hold back ordinary storms and even extraordinary
floods, but saying that the feds are to blame for the levees not
being strong enough to hold back a hurricane that, even excluding
New Orleans, has caused damage of epic proportions is simply not
reasonable.
Great article by Bob Williams in the WSJ. It is not the federal
government's responsibility to assist with natural disasters in
non-federal areas. Read the Constitution. It's a local or state
issue. Pre-New Deal, Congress would probably refuse to appropriate
funds to New Orleans and other cities affected by a hurricane. They
would've debated the constitutionality of such a measure. No debate
with this Congress.
With regards to the media blaming Bush, I'm not surprised. I bet if
New Orleans had a Republican mayor and Louisiana had a Republican
governor, and if Kerry were President, the media would blame the
mayor and the governor.
"Meyer - you beg the question of why NO and LA didn't upgrade
their own damn levees to meet a Category 5 storm"
Well, ask this question first - if they had ponied up that money,
would the ACE have let them do their own repairs? And then ask,
what exactly are the residents paying 40% of their paychecks to the
federal government for if not to protect their lives and
property?
Once again, the Dept of Homeland Security provides the best
examples of why civil and economic liberty provide MORE security,
not less. The more you trust the federal government to protect you
from any risk, the more likely you'll be bending over and taking
"protection" from the Feds right up until the time when they fail
to protect you. Then they'll blame you for not protecting
yourself.
RC Dean,
I think you nailed it with the moral hazard observation. It really
explains the complete and long standing paralyses of the state and
local authorities.
Lars,
We'll likely never know about the reasonableness of a levee
surviving a Cat 5 storm in New Orleans because the Corps of
Engineers feasibility study was zeroed out in the 2005 fiscal year
federal budget.
AJTall -
What about the 2004 National Response Plan?
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/9/4/171811/1974
(courtesy of andrewsullivan.com)
I won't argue that state and local government could not have done
more, but it strikes me that the federal government had already
mandated developing a more centralized method of handling
catastrophes.
>Jefferson Parish President Aaron
Umm. What exactly is a "parish president"?
>She failed to send a timely request for specific aid...
Or, at least, it wasn't filed in triplicate. So sad.
Welcome to all of the never-before-seen commenters making
exactly the case the White House has adopted as its political
strategy!
Anyways, that's some nice weasel-wording Bob Williams gets into
with "specific" this and "specific" that, but here's the letter
Blanco sent the day before the storm.
http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf
With regards to the media blaming Bush, I'm not surprised. I
bet if New Orleans had a Republican mayor and Louisiana had a
Republican governor, and if Kerry were President, the media would
blame the mayor and the governor.
Unless Kerry had ignored (your reading of) the Constitution and
made at least a decent attempt at evac, pre-levees breaking. Then
these threads would read drastically differently and you would
probably not be posting here to complain, AJT, in tacit acceptance
of Kerry's triumphant refugee convoy.
Wow, it's easy to make up alternative realities if you try!
J B Allen,
There is some seriously funny shit in the comments of that link you
posted. I loved the one about needing to investigate the fact that
none of the damaged rigs belonged to any of Bushes friends. Maybe
Bush is God. Or the one about trying to kill off the antiwar
agitators in New Orleans.
Joe,
Its funny because pro-Bush sites are linking to the same document
to demonstrate how unprepared and out of touch Blanco is.
Specifically, her funding request came in for criticism.
Coordination: $0
Technical and advisory assistance: $0
Debris removal: $30,000,000
Emergency Protective measures: $25,000,000
Individuals and Household Program: $75,000,000
Distribution of emergency supplies: $0
Other: $0
Funny how people see the opposite things in the same documents.
Is Louisiana the only state that believes that "2004 National
Response Plan" means that when a natural disaster hits the feds
will be there to fix everything immediately?
I'm going to check with my city and state leaders. If they think
like Louisiana, I'm screwed.
joe is right! You keep on lookin' at Blanco & Nagin, and whatever you do pay no attetion to that man behind the curtain, that's where the culpability really lies.
Also, Blanco still hasn't offered to federalize the National Guard. And yet, somehow, National Guardsmen under federal command are patrolling the streets of New Orleans. Which clearly cannot be possible.
Joe, in terms of preventing a substantial number of the
fatalities that have occurred, what happened the day prior to the
hurricane coming ashore matters hardly at all. The ONLY effective
measure, I repeat, ONLY effective relief measure for a storm such
as this is to have people in a different place than where the storm
comes ashore. That's it. Even if the levees had been able to
withstand a category 5 storm, if Katrina had not jogged to the east
at the last moment, thousands of casualties would have been
suffered from people trying to ride it out in old wooden buildings
undergoing Katrina's most intense winds.
24 hours before the storm, the chance of there being a quickly
implemented action to remove a large percentage of those who
decided to not evacuate, or lacked the means, approximated zero.
This had to be planned well in advance, and the City of New orleans
efforts this past summer amounted to having a DVD produced which
informed people that they were on their own when it came to
evacuating. If you have reason to believe that the political actor
with primary responsibility to see that New Orleans can evacuate in
the face of a hurricane is the President of the United States, well
I guess you're entitled to your opinion, but you are horrbily
mistaken. In fact, if the result of this catatrophe is that people
ignore their local and state governments even more than they do
now, because they think the Great White Father in Washington can
ensure that a bus is sent over to to the local nursing home, as the
hurricanes bear down, then the catastrophes are going to be worse
in the future.
Finally, to whomever commented on the President of Jefferson
Parrish making the remarks he visited upon the nation, I agree. To
have the President of Jefferson Parrish expressing rage at
Washington D.C. because a nursing home in Jefferson Parrish didn't
have their occupants evacuated as a category 5 storm approached
made me sick. If he wants another idiot, as he also has been quoted
as saying, he only needs to look in the mirror.
"The ONLY effective measure, I repeat, ONLY effective relief
measure for a storm such as this is to have people in a different
place than where the storm comes ashore."
Would you care to revisit that? I suspect people in the Convention
Center could think of some ways effective relief could have
provided post-storm.
Disaster relief operations have been implemented, and have saved
thousands upon thousands of lives, during every major catastrophe
in my lifetime.
If you want someone to blame for the fact that the locals believed
there would be effective federal disaster response, maybe you
should blame the people who promised it and didn't deliver.
Shannon & joe,
It's interesting that the letter was dated August 28; Shannon has
posted on other threads that it is reasonable to expect a 72-hour
lag time between the formal request for federal disaster services
and the actual arrival of said services.
Katrina was predicted to eventually hit the NO-Mobile area days
before the storm actually hit the east coast of Florida. So why
wasn't the formal request for services made sooner? Anyone know of
similar documentation from the governors of Mississippi and
Alabama?
Joe, perhaps my definition of "effective response" differs from yours. In my world, any response to a storm which can be observed with satellites, and given a fairly high possibility of striking New Orleans a couple days ahead of time, which leaves 20% of the population below sea level, without having even made an attempt to give an opportunity of evacuation to those without cars, is by definition an ineffective response. To actually prevent a substantial percentage of the fatalities which have occurred, one MUST get a higher percentage of the population out of the city. What happened on Tuesday, Monday, or even Sunday, in terms of actually having a large percentage of the people now dead be instead alive, pales in signifigance, compared to what needs to be done by Saturday. An 80% evacuation rate is by definition an ineffective response to this situation, if one really wishes to drive down the fatality rate signifigantly, and nothing that happens afterwords will change that. People have to get out. Period.
Sheriff Harry Lee said that if America--American government
would have responded like Wal-Mart has responded, we wouldn't be in
this crisis.
So if the government would respond as well as the private sector,
things would have been much better? Now who argues against
privatizing aid and resuce?
State of Louisiana Disaster manual: Step 1 - Call
feds.
But withhold requests and details so that you can bitch later.
State of Louisiana Disaster manual:
Step 1 - Feds suggest - give us a call
Step 2 - Wait 24 hours
Step 3 - Call feds
Step 4 - Cry and call feds again
Step 5 - Blame feds for not showing up sooner
What I want to know is why the FEDs are not building levees
around every costal city to protect them from catastrophic floods
from a meteor strike?
I call it gross negligence.
The threat is obvious and yet nothing is done.
I blame Bush.
Russ D,
Actually, the clock starts ticking when the disaster arrives not
when the paperwork is signed. Katrinia hit NO at 8am Monday and had
passed by 12pm. That would be the earliest the clock could start.
Realistically, the storm was moving over the positions where the
relief workers were waiting so the city was still cut off for 4-6
more hours at a minimum. So significant federal aid would have
reached the city on schedule sometime late Wednesday which is in
fact when it began to arrive. Some aid arrived on Tuesday.
Federally directed rescue via coast guard and the navy started
almost immediately.
I really doubt FEMA handled this disaster with speed and
efficiency. It never has in the past. But it does appear that the
federal response was on schedule according to existing expectations
and plans.
joe,
Pay no attention to the plans, expectations, org charts or
delineations of responsibility.
Just keep playing with the monkey.
Actually, the clock starts ticking when the disaster arrives
not when the paperwork is signed. Katrinia hit NO at 8am Monday and
had passed by 12pm. That would be the earliest the clock could
start.
Pre-emption. That is what you do when there is an ominous threat.
Didn't the lectures of autumn 2002 teach you anything?
Shannon Love - You've said the smartest things about this
disaster that I've read. You're actually thinking about the problem
and offering intelligent analysis.
SL's greatest hits:
"I am betting we will find that the failures at FEMA result from
over-centralization and an institutional desire to plan and control
everything from the top down... in a highly chaotic situation were
speed is essential such an attitude is literally lethal." That bit
of analysis is worth it's weight in gold!
"I think FEMA needs to be organized more like the contemporary
battlefield military with many, small, highly autonomous units
heavily coordinated by a shared data network." Exactly the right
answer! Wish I'd thought of it... It's the sort of organizational
model that should be applied to any disaster response outfit.
"Historically, FEMA has been your classic big government failure
but it seems that many think the solution is to make it even bigger
and more centralized. I predict this approach will fail." Not gonna
take that bet, me! (Channeling my inner Cajun...) But seriously,
the bureucratic answer is ALWAYS to do even more of what hasn't
worked in the past. I can't even begin to offer suggestions on how
that particular paradigm gets demolished, but it certainly needs to
be!
"Its funny because pro-Bush sites are linking to the same document
to demonstrate how unprepared and out of touch Blanco is.
Specifically, her funding request came in for criticism.
Coordination: $0
Technical and advisory assistance: $0
Debris removal: $30,000,000
Emergency Protective measures: $25,000,000
Individuals and Household Program: $75,000,000
Distribution of emergency supplies: $0
Other: $0"
It's amazing how some folks on this board frequently cite documents
that refute the points they are trying to make, while repeatedly
putting the same points and same documentation forward as tho
repetition will transmute utter BS into the golden reality of their
choice. In his defense, tho, joe is (usually!) far and away one of
the least of those types.
RC Dean's got a pretty good analysis of how the locals have come to
expect the solution to come from the top, and I think that the cost
of their inaction/dependence is now horrifically obvious. Kind of
like surrendering your self-reliance for trusting "the kindness of
strangers" can get you buried in a shallow grave even outside of
disaster areas...
Just a little mea culpa here. I grew up in New Orleans
(actually, across the river), and I've gotta concede that we've
always been WAY too cocky about hurricanes. Whenever one comes
along, we just tape up the windows and lay in some bread and
batteries for the radio. There's a lot of noise, some streets
flood, a few houses get messed up, and two-three days later
everything's back to normal.
Also, has anybody else noticed that all the recent hurricanes in
several years kept missing the city? We'd get this big, scary media
buildup; the storm would head straight in, and then at the very
last minute it would always swerve a bit and roll ashore away from
the city.
Well, Katrina did that too, but this time it was big enough and
mean enough that even a glancing blow was enough to devastate the
city. However, I'm positive that lots of people were never going to
evacuate regardless of the Mayor's order or whether buses were
available. The weather folks had cried wolf several times too
often, and if residents speak honestly I'm sure they'll admit they
believed this would be another false alarm too. The difference is,
this time there WAS a wolf, and when the fangs came out it was too
late to do anything.
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