Julian Sanchez | September 1, 2005
Gawker and TalkLeft are both fuming that Condi Rice would dare buy shoes and attend a Broadway comedy while people are dying, dying along the Gulf Coast. I guess I should confess, as I blithely sit here typing in the comfort of a distincly non-submerged cafe, that I actually bought a couple CDs and then callously went out for drinks with a couple friends last night. Not even some sort of charity benefit for New Orleans—just a plain old bar. Obviously, I'm hellbound.
Sure, sure, our standard for high-level public servants is different, but I'm with the folks at Wonkette on this one. What, exactly, is the Secretary of State supposed to be doing about domestic disaster relief? It's not her bag, baby. I guess she could (in a non-official capacity) dress in sackcloth and tear at her hair, but it's not clear what good it would do.
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Wearing sackcloth, giving the money she spent on the shoes to the Red Cross - yeah, that's the same thing.
Good question, but it assumes logic in the argument. George Bush
made the hurricane, it's all his fault and anyone associated with
him. No facts, please.
These people are worse than the creationists.
Yeah, and me and Mrs TWC went out to lunch today too.
I saw that photo of some politician helping a baby out of a rowboat
in the Big Sleazy and it made me want to spit. I saw GWB poking his
schnoz out the window of AFI surveying the damage and it made me
think how contrived. Somehow Condi in new shoes at a play
doesn't make me feel betrayed. Is she callous? Possibly. Aren't all
pols callous? Isn't it all a photo-op fakery for votes and PR
anyway?
Joe,
Please issue a date when members of the Bush administration are
allowed to spend their personal money on something besides
hurricane relief.
That last comment was a bit flippant. I don't mean to imply that politicians don't give a rats behind about the suffering. I'm sure they do, but the whole photo-op stchick makes me sick.
Just because she bought shoes does not mean she hasn't contributed to hurricane relief. Methinks she can afford to do both.
Thank you gentlemen. I've been spending the day at left wing blogs, and I needed a little injection of sanity.
Agree -- it's another variant of the old "how can you _______
when there are starving children in Africa." Or put another way:
"won't somebody please think of the children."
As much as I despise everything about this administration (and I do
mean everything), getting on Condi's ass about seeing a play is as
dumb as it gets. Well, that and rfk jr blaming Haley Barbour for
the hurricane. .
By the way, WHY THE FUCK are there snipers shooting at a hospital? What the hell is going on? Not to sound callous about people trapped in the city, but did you think it was a joke when they ordered an evacuation? Why are you still there? Good job with the looting too, that new tv will work great in the house you don't have running off electricity that isn't there. Are these people actually capable of making responsible decisions for themselves, or is this the end result of a life lived in the welfare system? Make sure you don't band together to help out your neighbors, use the opportunity to steal Twix you fucking morons. This is the mindset that makes the third world the way it is.
Dave, $5.00 says you shall be branded a racist before the day is out.
I suppose she could at least make it look like she's working on
getting international support for hurricane relief. Say, like
untangling that snafu that had a Canadian disaster response team
barred from flying into the US yesterday, or seeing if she could
get a short-term price break on petroleum and natural gas imports
or something.
I know domestic emergency response isn't part of her job duties,
but as a top-tier cabinet member with especially strong knowledge
and connections in the oil industry, I'd also think she'd be on
call in some sort of advisory role on this.
I guess the good news from a smaller-government standpoint is that
the Secretary of State is doing her own shoe shopping.
So, which is worse: Condi's shopping spree post-Katrina, or Dick Cheney showing up to Aushcwitz dressed like he was at a Packer's game?
I've got no beef with Condi or Julian continuing their normal lives. I'll do the same when rioters are attacking DC, or when Matt Welch's house is shaken to splinters. One can only care so much. (That's not sarcasm. Enjoy your today, since your tomorrow may look like Katrina)
Wearing sackcloth, giving the money she spent on the shoes
to the Red Cross - yeah, that's the same thing.
Jeeeeeez, Joe, you're hittin on all cylinders today! I guess, if
you can prove that Condi didn't give any money to charity, in
addition to her shoe purchases, you might have a
point...or half a point, at least. However, somehow, I doubt you
have that proof.
Dave Dave Dave...
Ordering an evacuation means nothing to people who do not have
transportation, and if they do, they don't have forty bucks to fill
it with gas to get out of town. The local government could only
evacuate them to the Superdome, and we know how that turned out. I
will agree with you that it takes a pretty damaged individual to
shoot at a freaking hospital evacuation effort, or loot the
Wal-Mart of electronics, but I for one am watching a human tragedy
on the television, and I just can't seem to muster the
self-righteous anger towards the "welfare queens" that you seem to
be able to do right now.
All non-joe:
You missed joe's underlying point. Whether on not Condi donated her
entire net worth to Katrina disaster relief or spent it on her eye
liner & pumps. It's not what you do that counts in
politics; it's how you appear.
After all, politics is about intentions, not
results...
davepotts: Most who stayed did so by choice, not out of poverty. They didn't think it would be that bad, and if it was, they believed the state would take care of them. They did not grasp the gravity of the situation and how the nanny couldn't possibly help them all.
davepotts: Most who stayed did so by choice, not out of
poverty
I'd like a cite for that, please.
To the extent that "choice" is circumscribed by a) not owning a
car, b) not knowing anyone with room to spare in a car, and c)
living paycheck to paycheck, with the next one not coming until 2
days after the storm hits, you might be right. ANd people who find
themselves in those kinds of Hobson's Choice situations find it
dignifying to say, "I'm not going anywhere, I'm staying."
Dynamist, you seem to think that I'm in favor of the nanny state, when all I'm saying is that some folks are giant assholes for sitting back and judging these people for their lack of judgement when they are out dying in the streets. My point is that we shouldn't give a rat's ass why they are in the situation they are in right now, or whether or not they've been suckling at the public teat, they should be helped out right now. They should have been helped out four days ago.
My point is not to advocate for the nanny state, I would never do that. My point is simply that sitting back and judging people for their lack of judgement at a time when they are dying in the street makes you a total asshole.
davepotts,
So fucking walk out of town, like people are doing now. You think
if they'd been told an asteroid or nuclear bomb was heading
straight for downtown New Orleans they would have stuck around?
Yeah sure, you can't just throw Rover and the kids in the SUV and
drive out of town, but you could try a hell of a lot harder than a
lot of these people did. There was plenty of warning that this was
going to be a catastrophic hurricane. Poverty? Yeah sure, that
played a part, but I suspect a distrust of "mainstream" society and
willful ignorance played an even larger one.
So fucking walk out of town, like people are doing
now
I have wondered why more people haven't started doing that before
now, at least the ones who aren't elderly, or don't have a pack of
small children with them, or aren't dehydrated, or sick, or who are
able to risk it.
Look, I'm not saying that everyone down there is doing all they can
to help themselves, most people under normal circumstances
don't do that. All I'm saying is it's pretty easy to judge from
behind your keyboard.
davepotts: I don't know how you feel about the nanny state.
Sorry if I lumped you into a group.
Phil: Mind-meld with my last four days of email and local blogging.
There's nothing fo rme to link to yet. I don't know how you feel
about the nanny state either, but total seems spot-on about the
willful ignorance. Sure some are exhibit the Hobson's behaviour,
but most just didn't want to go because they choose to believe the
state would take care of them in the dome.
It is unfair of me to expect them to be able to read, but the TV
news said that 100K would not evacuate. If it was fair to expect
them to do the math, that's 30-40K more than the dome can support
for three hours on game day. Why would one believe there would be
room for self and family over a several-day stay?
As we spread blame around, some must land on those who didn't at
least walk to safer ground.
All I'm saying is it's pretty easy to judge from behind your
keyboard.
That's an important point, and I agree. All I'm saying is there's a
lot more to why people stayed behind than the amount of cash in
their wallets.
The answer is she should be showing some sense of decency and not sporting a luxury life-style as a public servant at a time like this.
Regardless of the merits of "Dave"'s original post, he does
bring up one point I haven't seen discussed. What do the people
looting the Wal-Mart and such expect to be able to do with the crap
they're stealing?
New jeans, a DVD player, and a necklace won't be worth fuckall if
you can't get out of town soon. That new jacket may look good, but
swimming through the fetid water, with no access to electricty,
food, or clean water is inevitably going to result in some crazy,
3rd world disease in about a week. You can't sell the hot goods on
e-bay without electricity, a computer, or, gee, a working sewage
system for that matter. It astounds me that some people are not
thinking about their own survival. The only thing I can think of is
that without access to information about the situation, along with
ignorance, has resulted in a lot of people not realizing how much
shit they're potentially in.
dlc: Nature is culling the stupid. Sadly, they represent only a small fraction of all who suffer and die. If you listen to the anti-looter tone of the locals (quite different from the national apologists), many might be willing to let the thieves die slowly in their own stench. Then, after the worst actors are dead, drain the city and begin rebuilding.
What do the people looting the Wal-Mart and such expect to
be able to do with the crap they're stealing
Well I can see stealing new clothes if you lost your clothes to
floods or don't have a change of clothes for 4 days. If I had to
wade through 10 feet of water, I might want a dry pair of jeans. As
for jewlery and stuff...maybe you can barter it for food or rations
or something...if one couple got a limo out of town for $3700,
maybe some entrepreneur would trade a ride for some bling
bling
Dunno what anyone would do with electronics though.
But since from what I'm hearing, the city might be uninhabitable
for a year or more, why is the looting such a concern? Who are they
gonna sell the stuff to?
If it was your stuff you were watching get ripped off, you might understand better. Imagine your house survived the storm, then a flood, and now you've got to worry about someone tearing it apart and setting it on fire, just for fun. Is it hard to see why people want to shoot 'em?
On TV tonight, they did show people walking out of town on the
highway; one woman with her family said "We've been walking for
three days." So at least some people are doing it. There are
certainly some people who can't - the elderly, the disabled - but I
suspect that for many who could have, it was a case of believing
that it wouldn't really be that bad. People often don't seem to
realize the gravity of a situation until they get their noses
rubbed in it. Actually, I probably would have stayed myself,
although I dare say I'm better prepared than many who did stay.
This should be a lesson to everyone: keep several days' worth of
food and water on hand, plus anything else you might need, like
medicines, diapers, etc.
As for "jewlery and stuff...maybe you can barter it for food or
rations or something" - your naivete is charming, ChicagoTom.
People steal shit because they can get away with it. Remember the
LA riots and the looting there? Nobody needed to barter for food
then, but they stole like crazy anyway. NYC blackout riot of '77?
Ditto. There have been some people taking only food, medicine, and
other necessities; the difference between these and the
take-everything-not-nailed-down looters is that they seem to be
willing to stop and explain their actions.
See
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20050902/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina_59
, which talks about the looters, the police, and the situation in
general. Choice quote:
"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," Gov. Kathleen
Blanco said of 300 National Guard troops who landed in New Orleans
fresh from duty in Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill,
and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they
will."
Gee, Davey, I think she's running out of patience...
Say, like untangling that snafu that had a Canadian disaster
response team barred from flying into the US yesterday, or seeing
if she could get a short-term price break on petroleum and natural
gas imports or something.
Those tasks would fall under the departments of Homeland Security
and Commerce, respectively.
I suppose Condi could be putting more effort into begging other
countries for aid and donations, but, um... wouldn't it look bad
for the richest nation in the world to ask other countries for aid
we don't actually need? We've got plenty of money and supplies
right here at home; they just aren't getting where they need to
be.
We've got plenty of money and supplies right here at home;
they just aren't getting where they need to be.
It struck me that such describes a large part of Africa, too.
They've got corruption and we've got bureaucracy. The dead are dead
just the same.
(Actually, I'm still not ready to complain about our rescue effort.
I see a lot of stuff getting done, and people exhausting themselves
to save others.)
This article clearly states the mindset of the author. It is intelligently drafted to create intrest of the reader. It brings out the worth of the subject.
Those tasks would fall under the departments of Homeland
Security and Commerce, respectively.
Are you implying that Condi couldn't lift a finger to straighten
out the border snafu with the Canadians because "it's not my yob,
man"? I think she could find something a bit more constructive to
do with her time during a national emergency than play Marie
Antoinette and flaunt her wealth.
FOR SHAME!! FOR SHAME!!
Julian!!!
How dare you to be better off than your poor black brothers and
sisters in New Orleans! You must be a racist! Quasi M'fukr of the
NAACP and Charlie Rangyass said so!
dcf,
Would it be all right if wore my shiny red suit to your mother's
funeral? Or is there some sort of more appropriate way to comport
one's self in the fact of death?
The only people I have sympathy for are the children, retarded and (maybe) the disabled. If you live in NO and don't realize the damage that a major hurricane can do, you don't deserve to live. And if you do realize the damage it can do and still stay there, you still don't deserve to live. It's not just that they only had two days warning. They've had their whole lives to get the fuck out of Dodge, or at least prepare for something like this. Let 'em all die.
"My phychis powers tellme andy's a registered Democrat. Am I
right? Am I right?"
What? LOL
Once again you've left me completely baffled at what you're to
say.
I think you're going for sarcasm, but you can never tell over a
computer. Also, given your political views, you probably are making
fun of me for being a cold heartless SOB (unlike those
compassionate Democrats...)
Personal responsibility's a bitch, ain't it Joe?
Personal responsiblity is quite good, actually.
"Personal Responsibility (TM)" on the other hand is quite a
bitch.
All I'm saying is that no able-bodied-non-parent-of-young-child-adult should recieve help. It's their fault that they're in their position.
That last post is kind of confusing. I meant : No able bodied adult who's not the parent of a young child...
As a WASP, I'm concerned for pets and old buildings. And some children.
(Albert Spam-bot, you sound like a high-school term paper.)
In times like these we all need more symbolism.
Indeed. In the past words of Dave Barry, the president should fly
out to the disaster area and frown at it from the doorway of a
helicopter.
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