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Tim Cavanaugh | July 22, 2005

While Hillary, Rick, and Vinegar Joe are protecting your kids from downloading the Hot Coffee mod, Daniel Koffler has some disturbing news: There's fucking and sucking all over the web.

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|7.22.05 @ 4:18PM|#

The short term effect of the re-classification by the ESRB is that every retailer will take the game off the shelf - until they can slap on a sticker that says Adults Only, then it's back on the shelf. I smell a collusion between the manufacturers of "Adults Only" stickers and certain Senators...

The Wine Commonsewer|7.22.05 @ 4:23PM|#

No shit man, Sunday morning I hear the House Blond, age six, hollering "Ew" and "Gross" at high decibel. Soon she was joined by her brother, hollering the same thing. Figuring the dog had barfed or there was a dead something near the door, Mrs TWC sauntered down the stairs and was horrified at what she saw on the computer screen.

My six year old had typed Oops I Did It Again into Google, which is something she does daily, because she likes to listen to snippets of MP3's that are available on those bopper web sites. But this time she ended up clicking on some link that took her into a porn site. Each time she tried to leave, the browser was hijacked and another porn site popped up. In the space of two minutes she had 12 or 15 porn pages open.

Apparently, the illegality of hihacking your browser when you try to close a page isn't high on these guys list of priorities.

I really was surprised and honestly didn't think this would be an issue for another two or three years at least. Needless to say I changed the settings in preferences. I don't care that Google filters too much. The medium setting didn't filter nearly enough.

Jake wanted to know if those were real people doing that stuff to each other.

Don't know what his mother told him.

|7.22.05 @ 4:38PM|#

I amazed that the 25 billion dollar gaming industry doesn't own at least a few politicians.

|7.22.05 @ 4:52PM|#

Next time there's a game-related controversy, I'm buying several copies of said game. Grand Theft Auto has been pulled everywhere, and what just last week fold for $29.99 at the local Fry's now goes for over $70 on eBay.

|7.22.05 @ 4:54PM|#

Hillary, Rick, and Vinegar Joe

=

The the thin line that protects society from becoming a chaos filled wasteland devoid of all moral values.

|7.22.05 @ 4:58PM|#

Haven't we been through this before, without requiring legislation?


I was a kid at the time and only read about the controversy. Now having seen Custer's Revenge through computer emulation, it's just as offensive as I remembered them saying it was. And yet anybody who could somehow get anything sexual out of such blocky graphics has an extremely overactive imagination.

I'm more surprised that, given the advanced state of realistic computer graphics, we don't have far more "games" where the whole point is explicit hard core porn.

|7.22.05 @ 5:04PM|#

dead elvis,

Oh, we do. We do.

I don't think I'll be providing any links. But let it be said that Japan has blazed a trail into the wilderness of modern pornographic video games, and many are the American low-end development houses that have followed them on that trail.

|7.22.05 @ 5:08PM|#

This is a better link about Custer's Revenge:

http://www.thelogbook.com/phosphor/atari26/q4-03/r.htm

|7.22.05 @ 6:02PM|#

Remember the good old days? When games where about the killing and mayhem.

|7.22.05 @ 6:04PM|#

Elvis,

In a free market, it's so much cheaper to use a couple of untalented bimbos, than to pay several programmers a lot more to make an artificial version of the same thing.

It's so much more profitable to just use real actors. So one is left with using mods to create softcore versions of a store-bought action game.

|7.22.05 @ 6:10PM|#

......Not safe for work..........

Having said that, Renderotica has a selection of amimated CGI items. Not games, but close.

......Not safe for work..........

|7.22.05 @ 6:15PM|#

I have gone to that site, but cartoonish japanimation is not really what I'm talking about. I'm talking about much more realistic animation and texturing, which could be accomplished given the huge computing power available to desktop computers and game consoles.

This market has probably been hampered owing to the fact that most consoles use controllers that require you to use both hands.

|7.22.05 @ 6:41PM|#

Man, you never see "sucking and fucking" at The Corner.

Though... it'd be... awesome.

|7.22.05 @ 6:49PM|#

Hillary, Rick, and Vinegar Joe: The the thin line that protects society from the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

|7.22.05 @ 8:00PM|#

I recall reading a study that drew opposite conclusions to these numbskulls, and that the cathardic release was a public benefit of porn, video-games, and violence. Of course who can be bothered with little things like the truth when there's political points to score.

|7.22.05 @ 8:06PM|#

Hot Coffee is old news. The new hotness is the Sims 2.

Sims kids can also be nudified, "much to the delight, one can be sure, of pedophiles around the globe who can rehearse, in virtual reality, for their abuse."

I can't make this stuff up, folks.

|7.22.05 @ 8:26PM|#

Does anyone recall the wooden building toy chest called "Bill Ding"?

Why can't wee ones be informed that fucking and sucking are merely pushing the parameters of Bill Ding? As in making bodily connections in places they may not have imagined. As in "Don't be alarmed folks. Just enjoy the creativity."

Then there were Lincoln Logs. Parental Guidance suggested. Abe was the ultimate pervert because he killed thousands to insure freedom of union. (See sexual congress above.)

Speaking of Bill Ding, does anyone else here enjoy those nude, flexible Roosky gals?

Kinda hot this weekend, eh?

|7.23.05 @ 12:56AM|#

mediageek-
If I remember correctly the game "Riana Rouge" was completely mouse-based, so that might solve the uh, two-handed controller situation.

|7.23.05 @ 10:25AM|#

noneofyour-
i was just thinking that.


i have to say, especially since i already read the article in print, i'm slightly disappointed the link wasn't to actual sucking and fucking.

|7.23.05 @ 11:23AM|#

I feel kind of old saying this, and I don't mind the subject matter at all, but the Tim's word choice just struck me as jarringly crude. I'm a bit surprised by own reaction. Is that sort of thing really out of place on H&R? Dunno. Maybe there is a little gaius marius in all of us ...

b-psycho|7.23.05 @ 4:55PM|#

I got cousins of grade-school age that play GTA. And they're more well-behaved than the ones that don't.

Make of that what you will...

|7.23.05 @ 6:07PM|#

Hell, they ought to be able to put whatever they like in these games, no skin off of my back. And yes, vinegar Joe and Hillary are whiny "won't somebody think of the children" types whose efforts would be better put to use elsewhere. That doesn't change the fact that most gamers and developers are still drooling half wits who only seem to be able to understand the baser human insticts of fucking and mayhem. Even some of the more "cerebral" RPG's and RTS's don't get it right. Real interactive media is about creativity, and that's just something that's lacking from all of these crap games.

|7.23.05 @ 9:34PM|#

For a while here, I was thinking vinegar Joe was our own vinegar joe.

joe,
Come in?
Or not.

|7.23.05 @ 10:25PM|#

If I remember correctly the game "Riana Rouge" was completely mouse-based, so that might solve the uh, two-handed controller situation.

Well.
There.
You.
Go.

That's a game company that put some thought into their target audience's *ahem* gaming technique.

Incidentally, I find it disturbing that now video game characters are getting more play than I am.

|7.25.05 @ 8:10AM|#

A great article from Koffler.

I would give anything to meet with Vinegar Joe or the Hildebeast, and show them my copy of GTA-SA, which CLEARLY has a label that says "NOT RECOMMENDED FOR THOSE UNDER 17" If a parent is too stupid to understand that, then their kids have much bigger problems then being exposed to raunchy/violent video games.