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|6.20.05 @ 4:56PM|#
"It is a bass-ackwards way to come up with an end game for Iraq, but much superior to no way at all."
nice.
|6.20.05 @ 5:42PM|#
Why does Rep. Walter B. Jones hate America?
Gene Berkman|6.20.05 @ 5:54PM|#
Congressman Jones is to be commended for paying attention to the deaths of his constituents in this misbegotten war.
The Jones Amendment calls for setting a timetable for withdrawal of American troops, to start in October of 2006. That means that even if this proposal is adopted, the US intervention is Iraq will still last longer than American involvement in World War II.
Pro-War Republicans are literally offering us a permanent warfare state, a condition which is not compatible with limited constitutional government. Libertarians who consider the Republicans a "lesser evil" should reconsider.
|6.20.05 @ 6:01PM|#
the "Saddam-like 91%" has me laughing so hard I can't read!
|6.20.05 @ 8:01PM|#
Those who start trends never hold up well to close inspection.
There's Zell Miller and that turncoat up in New England. What's his name?
Trends were ever thus.
Tipping points were ever thus.
US troops occupying the Middle East was not a good idea.
|6.20.05 @ 8:14PM|#
Man I hate the term 'maverick Republican'. Makes
me think of McCain and then I get all light headed
and have to destroy the nearest available computer monitor.
|6.20.05 @ 9:11PM|#
The Bush Administration's alienation of the UN was like Cortez scuttling his ships when he got to the New World. He might as well have said, "Boys, there's only one way home."
"In other words, the certitude that Uncle Sam is going to pull the plug sooner or later, be it on food stamps or paratroopers, pushes you to shape up."
I just had Bring the Boys Back Home from "The Wall" running through my head--that's gotta be the most surreal sequence in the movie.
A nice, UN sponsored exit strategy alone might have made all those dues worthwhile.
|6.20.05 @ 10:53PM|#
Again, anytime conservative and North Carolina are put together in the same article (and that's alot) I gotta inform people that, oddly enough, pot is decrim there.
Weird.
Justin Raimondo|6.21.05 @ 1:51AM|#
I have to say that this is the single best article on Iraq that I have read recently. Great research, great links, great writing.
|6.21.05 @ 7:48AM|#
Every peice of explosive material that goes off in Iraq is one that won't go off here. And eventually the africans that are being recruited to blow themselves up will balk at the task. The bombers haven't lost any family members in Iraq, as Joe likes to think, these guys are brainwashed jihadists that are fortunately focusing their evil on our most defended front. Fuck getting out, it is working beautifully. Ten more years of it and we may even win the wot.
|6.21.05 @ 8:08AM|#
Pulling out now would be the first step in losing the war on terror. The consequences of losing are so dire to liberty, you'd think liberatarians would prefer to win. But, the short thinking commenters here just can't imagine the police state we'll be when terrorists are free to concentrate on our shores.
|6.21.05 @ 8:20AM|#
... because one can never make more explosives or recruit more people to blow themselves up. I mean, look at what happened in Israel!
G. Hamid|6.21.05 @ 9:17AM|#
Oh, to see war so simplistically. Do me a favor and enumerate America's "exit strategies" in her previous wars. If you can't or won't, I did here.
|6.21.05 @ 12:58PM|#
We are going to have troops stationed in Iraq for many years to come. And that's not necessarily a bad thing--while I would like to harbor the fantasy that we can pull all of the troops back within our borders, I don't believe that to be a realistic option. Our troops have more deterrent effect in Iraq than they do quaffing brews in Germany, wouldn't you think?
A sudden retreat from Iraq would be disastrous for that country, and like it or not, we do have responsibility now for what happens there. The issue of whether we should have invaded in the first place is completely irrelevant--we did, and so we must see it through.
|6.21.05 @ 2:34PM|#
I don't want, nor do the Congressmen call for, a sudden retreat. What they are calling for is a timetable, to let the Iraqis know that we do not intend to remain the country forever in order out of imperialist ambition. Certainly, there are many people who would hate and attack America regardless of what they do, but that hard core would never be strong enough to defeat a 135,000 troop detachment unless they were receiving the support, to various degrees (ranging from joining up to go on raids, to simply not ratting them out when they hide in the neighborhood) of millions of Iraqis. If, on the other hand, a large segment of the Iraqi population is against us (and pretty much any country will have a large segment of its population that will oppose a foreign occupier, especially one who contines to rain death from the sky while shooting, detaining, and killing people on the ground), then it is entirely possible that we could lose.
The deadenders among the hawks are determined to hijack the conversation into a discuss of "immediate retreat," but that's not what's on the table.
|6.21.05 @ 10:18PM|#
"especially one who contines to rain death from the sky"
joe,
At this stage of the occupation, whenever I read another report of that, I'm thinking war crime.