Julian Sanchez | April 7, 2005
Religious pharmacists say dispensing emergency contraception violates their principles; others contend they've got an obligation to fill any legitimate prescription. Kerry Howley wonders why anyone's got to go to a pharmacist for the stuff in the first place.
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Completely glosses over the fact that the drug is not as benign
as aspirin. It acts as massive dose of conventional birth-control
hormone drugs, and can have serious side effects.
The FDA said: "The sponsor�s application contained no data in
subjects under 14 years of age and very limited data in adolescents
14 to 16 years old."
You really shouldn't go dumping chemicals that affect reproductive
biochemistry into potentially still-developing reproductive
systems.
They presented the drug manufacturer with a legitimate concern,
which has not yet been addressed. Therefore, the drug will stay off
the OTC market.
Completely glosses over the fact that the drug is not as
benign as aspirin. It acts as massive dose of conventional
birth-control hormone drugs, and can have serious side
effects.
Then list the side effects in big bold letters, shut the fuck up,
and get out of the way. There are "side-effects" to walking out
your front door every morning. You might get hit by a bus. You
might have a brain anurism. You might trip and crack your head
open. Yet, we don't have to have permission to walk out the front
door, do we?
"You really shouldn't go dumping chemicals that affect
reproductive biochemistry into potentially still-developing
reproductive systems."
Is that really your call to make, or the FDA's? I'm sorry, but the
FDA has outlived its usefulness. Cases like this just highlight
that fact.
"They presented the drug manufacturer with a legitimate
concern, which has not yet been addressed. Therefore, the drug will
stay off the OTC market."
What's that "legitimate" concern? The one you listed above, that is
hasn't been tested on enough 14-16 year olds? Please. If that's
your "concern", then put a big fucking label on the bottle that
says "should not be taken by anyone under the age of 17", then,
again, shut the fuck up and get out of the way.
The FDA has illustrated, time and time again, that its policies
hold up drugs that, if left to the natural checks and balances of
the free market, might have saved lives or helped people's
situations immensely, while the only ones who would have really
suffered adverse consequences are the ones who were too ignorant to
heed the warning labels.
Here's the solution, yet again: disband the FDA. Replace it with a
small organization which requires drug makers to list any known
risks and side effects. Then...you guessed it...shut the fuck up
and get out of the way.
But as we all know, that's not gonna happen. Why? Because of
genuine ethical concerns? Oh, hell no----it's because of all the
entrenched beaurocrats and industry pukes whose livelihoods depend
on this regulatory scheme. Doctors need their monopoly on
prescribing drugs. Pharmacists need their monopoly on selling them.
The pharmaceutical giants need their sweet state-enforced monopoly
on producing them (since the FDA's requirements necessitate years
of up-front capital for new products that might not produce a
profit for many years, small competition is essentially
impossible). And the FDA, well, think about how many people work
for them. WHy give that up? None of these powerful groups want to
sacrifice their gold-mine monopolies. Which is why evil shit like
this, and like the Imclone disaster (wherein a post-chemo-recovery
drug spent an extra year on the shelves, instead of out on the
street saving lives, because of FDA paperwork and red tape, and was
reintroduced and approved in the exact same form), happens all too
frequently.
Oh right, Jon, I forgot: But it's for the children!
What a bunch of shit. Even if we grant that dubious pretense, it's
no reason to deny access to emergency contraception to millions of
adult women.
And the rationale itself is just a transparent attempt by the right
to keep this off the market, dressed up in the guise of "safety"
concerns (Hmmm just like they dress up creationism in the guise of
science... do we see a pattern of deception here?).Well I suspect
that most of those you pretend to be so concerned for would be
pleased to have you mind your own business and let them make their
own decisions.
Not yet, but don't tempt them.
And good call Evan! People should take responsibility for their own
health.
"Emergency" contraception - excellent spin. I hope somebody got
a bonus for thinking that one up.
And I say that as someone who thinks this ought to be available to
anyone stupid enough (as in, too stupid to use ordinary
contraceptives), or irresponsible enough (as in, too selfish to
live with the consequences of their decision to have unprotected
sex) to need it.
After all, since it has to be taken within 72 hours, it is of no
use to those who use ordinary contraceptives, which do occasionally
fail, since you don't know they have failed until long after 72
hours have elapsed.
But hey, its a free country. God knows fortunes have been made
selling to the stupid and irresponsible before.
Some drugs are prone to abuse -- addictive painkillers, antibiotics (which create superbugs when overused), insulin (which is misused by people with eating disorders). There's an argument for not letting adults buy those OTC. I don't see that argument applies emergency contraception, unless (as is likely) those who oppose making it available OTC view any use of contraception as abusive.
Then...you guessed it...shut the fuck up and get out of the
way.
I can always count on Evan Williams' invective to bring a smile to
my face, nay, make me laugh out loud.
Some drugs are prone to abuse -- addictive painkillers,
antibiotics (which create superbugs when overused), insulin (which
is misused by people with eating disorders). There's an argument
for not letting adults buy those OTC.
So? Why do we need to protect people from themselves? All drugs
should be legal and freely available (at least to adults - just to
head off the inevitable clamoring about "children!"). Whatever
someone chooses to do with them is no business of yours or
mine.
"Oh right, Jon, I forgot: But it's for the children!"
No, it's much worse than that. It's for JEEZ-us!
"you've never heard of a broken condom?!?"
Must not have any experience with Trojan. My one box trial left me
wanting to kick some Trojan Man butt. It is almost enough to make
you doubt the market.
Seriously, how can they have such a huge market share with that
product? I don't understaaannd!
"Some drugs are prone to abuse -- addictive painkillers,
antibiotics (which create superbugs when overused), insulin (which
is misused by people with eating disorders). There's an argument
for not letting adults buy those OTC."
And this argument is spurious. Unless we're talking about true
externalities, then it's of no concern that certain individuals
don't have enough self-control to refrain from abusing. The only
one of those listed above that I care a whit about are antibiotics,
because they have a definite external effect on communities as a
whole. Quite frankly, the gubmint isn't (shouldn't) be here to
protect me from myself, but only to protect me from others.
There are plenty of medications sold over the counter that are potentially harmful to children. Aspirin, for example.
'But hey, its a free country. God knows fortunes have been
made selling to the stupid and irresponsible before."
I don't know, R.C., if you never do anything stupid or
irresponsible you must lead a boring life.
What is irresponsible to one person is just fun to another - like
riding motorcycles for example. They don't call them "donor-cycles"
for nothing, yet a lot of people take great pleasure in doing
something I might think is stupid or irresponsible. More power to
'em!
The FDA has kept it prescription-only because many in
congress are uncomfortable with the concept
I love the way Kerry says that. Not "...because many in Congress
believe that the risks outweigh the benefits", not "...because of
scientific data showing that this medication needs to be monitored
by doctors" but simply because Congress is uncomfortable.
Which is not to say that those other reasons would justify keeping
it prescription-only, but at least they would have some rational
foundation so you could sort of comprehend it. But instead, well,
Congress just feels uncomfortable, so that's good enough!
And I agree 100% with:
The real scandal is not that women are being denied birth
control, but that they have to ask for it. There is no reason why a
woman's access to contraception should depend on a single Roman
Catholic with a conscience, or why a pharmacist should have to
weigh the decision between denying a woman her prescription and
violating deeply held moral beliefs.
The scenario that I debated with Jennifer a week or two ago, of a
rural woman with a puritan pharmacist, is a false dichotomy. Open
up other distribution channels and let women and rape crisis
centers stock up, so that a single pharmacist no longer has so much
power over anybody.
"I love the way Kerry says that. Not "...because many in
Congress believe that the risks outweigh the benefits", not
"...because of scientific data showing that this medication needs
to be monitored by doctors" but simply because Congress is
uncomfortable."
Well, given that the scientific advisory board has voted in
overwhelming
favor of OTC, how could Congress justifiably make either of the
two former claims? Are they all scientists? Why even have a
scientific advisory board? It seems entirely plausible to say that
Congress simply feels uncomfortable with it...given that the
scientific board has given it a resounding "yes".
While I'm sort of indifferent either way, there's no way to list
an entire medical education on the side of a bottle. End-users have
no capacity to diagnose or evaluate themselves for all the sorts of
drug reactions, counter-indications, and periodic evaluation needed
to take all sorts of drugs.
Now, the reason I wouldn't cry many tears in a perfect world over
people buying all sorts of crazy medications and simply proscribing
them for themselves is that anyone that stupid probably deserves
what happens to them. Unfortunately, it's not a perfect world, and
because they'll most likely end up in some emergency room, on
Medicaid or whatever, I have to pay for it in the end.
FDA criteria for over-the counter status
As someone who's taken Claritin, I'm curious as to what made it
eligible for prescription in the first place, but is now eligible
for OTC.
Must be the "new and improved super-safe formula."
As someone who's taken Claritin, I'm curious as to what made
it eligible for prescription in the first place, but is now
eligible for OTC.
IIRC, HMOs and other insurers sometimes lobby the FDA to give a
drug OTC status -- that way they don't have to pay for
prescriptions.
After a product has been on the prescription market long enough
to have extensive safety data for a large number of patients,
manufacturers can request approval to go OTC. Claritin is an
exception, in that it was driven by insurance companies who wanted
to stop paying for it. Since it was soon to go generic, the Pharma
didn't fight very hard. This points out the financial incentives
for keeping drugs prescription-only and therefore covered by
insurance.
The fact is that there is insufficient data on Emergency
Contraception to send it OTC. There are legitimate concerns about
women taking this too late, and yielding not contraception, but
babies with birth defects.
The FDA has plenty of problems, but surely Vioxx etc demonstrate
that the solution is not that it should send things OTC even faster
than it does.
Finally, there are product liability concerns that might preclude
Pharma from wanting to sell this OTC. With doctor supervision, the
Pharma is less exposed to misuse and big tort claims. You can't
force Pharma companies to offer these drugs over the counter.
One other important factor to note about the prescription to OTC switch - pharmas get 'rewarded' with extended exclusivity in return for taking drugs OTC. So don't be surprised to see a high correlation between the switch and approaching patent expiration dates.
You can't force Pharma companies to offer these drugs over
the counter.
Nobody is suggesting that. Just get the FDA out of the situation,
and allow the Pharma companies decide for themselves whether they
want to risk the liability by going OTC. This is simply not a
decision that the central gov't should be making----it should be a
decision made by the interested parties, namely, the buyer and the
seller.
Well, given that the scientific advisory board has voted in
overwhelming favor of OTC, how could Congress justifiably make
either of the two former claims? Are they all
scientists?
Evan,
When has that ever stopped them? Lest we forget, 3 weeks ago they
were making medical diagnoses by watching video snippits.
R C Dean: you've never heard of a broken
condom?!?
Sure I have. Never experienced it myself, but then I've always
tended toward committed relationships with women on the pill.
I don't know, R.C., if you never do anything stupid or
irresponsible you must lead a boring life.
Who said I had anything against taking risks and being
irresponsible? You've obviously never gotten into the passenger
seat of my car for a run to the liquor store.
Remember, I'm all in favor of this stuff being sold OTC! Did you
read my post at all? I hope somebody makes a fortune on this stuff!
God knows I've parted with enough of my cash being stupid and
irresponsible.
I'm just not kidding myself about who will be buying "emergency
contraception" and why.
Evan, I think we have to make a distinction between the reasons
why the drug is kept off the OTC trade in the context of modern
rules and our libertarian desire to legalize all drugs and dispense
with the dispensation of prescriptions.
I'm fine with OTC of everything from Cocaine to Heroin to the
morning after pill to Dr. Roy's Tonic--WITH OR WITHOUT warnings or
disclaimers.
Sera, believe me if FDA could regulate Aspirin they would. If it
came to market today it would never be approved for OTC use.
And yes, I can assure that you don't want to take a chance and give
little kids aspirin. Ever.
"Insufficient safety data" my ass. You'd think EC was a brand
new drug (it's not) that's cutting edge in the US (it's not).
I have no idea if it's OTC in Europe or not, but I damn well know
that the "morning-after pill" is routinely used in both the US and
in Europe enough to know -- pretty damn well -- whether it's safe
enough to sell OTC.
The science panel -- the people who we pay to have a fuckin' clue
about the matter -- are pretty damn sure it's safe. The
politicians, whom we pay to deny reality and send pork home, don't
think it is. I know which side I trust.
Who said I had anything against taking risks and being
irresponsible? You've obviously never gotten into the passenger
seat of my car for a run to the liquor store.
And if something goes wrong on that trip (and if couldn't, then
there's no "risk"), where will they cart you off to? The
emergency room, duh. Calling the need for a day-after pill
an emergency doesn't say anything in particular about what kind of
person is in that situation. Speaking of which...
I'm just not kidding myself about who will be buying "emergency
contraception" and why.
Apparently you think of them as some sort of lower class of human.
If that's not what you're saying, you're doing a damn good job of
misleading us all. And I'd call that attitude smug and
classless.
But don't worry, I know you're all for making day-after pills
available OTC. You're the one who brought up this other issue.
as far as plan b, or EC goes, most hospitals keep a supply on hand for post-rape kit emergencies.
Lest we forget, 3 weeks ago they were making medical
diagnoses by watching video snippits.
There's a very simple way to resolve the issue of how to dispense
the morning-after pill:
Bill Frist can watch a short video clip of a woman who experienced
side effects, and then report back to us on whether it's safe for
OTC use.
Thoreau,
Better to let Delay do the analysis in that case. Although he'd
probably prefer a picture of the cell cluster so he could declare
it a person, and close the issue.
David-
We could always have Bill Clinton do the analysis. He'd examine
some videos, but they'd be of a totally different type. And he'd
probably do some field trials as well.
However, he might quibble with the instructions: "Best taken within
72 hours of sexual intercourse." Clinton would demand clarification
of what exactly qualifies as "sexual intercourse."
This isn't just about emergency contraceptives, either. Just a
few months ago, I read that a pharmacist wouldn't fill a woman's
regular birth control prescription because of his "moral" objection
to it.
Bad enough that she has to visit a gynecologist every freakin' year
to make sure she still needs it(what a racket - there goes a
co-pay), then has to fight the pharmacist to get it.
How many teenage pregnancies could we prevent if we could just pick
this up OTC? Who can ever know? I'm sure my own teenaged daughter
would have avoided it if she had been able to get a pill without
having to tell me about it.
Just let us have it, for chrissakes! We'll let them know if it's
fucking us up with side effects.
That pharmacist's shouldn't have sole control over birth control
distribution doesnt' mean it should be sold next to the candy aisle
and tossed about willy nilly.
Centers monitoring and educating about safe use are a great way to
go.
"Completely glosses over the fact that the drug is not as benign
as aspirin. It acts as massive dose of conventional birth-control
hormone drugs, and can have serious side effects."
As opposed to, you know, pregnancy. Which, as we all know, is
completely without side effects, hormone doses, and negative
outcomes for fourteen year old girls.
joe, I think that is the best argument ever made on behalf of
contraceptive pills.
It's a little like the argument for chemotherapy: Yeah, it messes
you up royally, but a brain tumor (just like John Kerry ;) is even
worse.
thoreau,
It also works when the theocrats adopt their "we care a lot about
the poor women who are tricked into having abortions" pose.
R C Dean, you seem to be making some pretty rash judgements
about who will and who wont be using the EC pill.
Why do you give a damn? So what if sluts become the primary
consumers of the EC drug what harm does that do you? Does it bother
you that some women are sexually active, some more then
others?
That seems to be your motivation for denying the drug. Pretty
shallow....
For the record, if easy access to Plan B means that my slutty cousin stops popping out kids that she isn't fit to raise, I'm fine with sluts popping as much Plan B as they want.
Remember, I'm all in favor of this stuff being sold OTC! Did
you read my post at all?
R.C., uh, yes, I did read your post. I never said you were against
it being OTC, did I (did you even read MY post)?
I was referring to the disparaging tone you took with those that
might find themselves in need of "emergency" contraception or
whatever you want to call it. You certainly came across as pretty
smug about it. Perhaps you are as scornful towards your own
admitted irresponsibility or perhaps it is only sexual
irresponsibility that is deserving; I couldn't really tell. So, if
I have misinterpreted your post, I apologize. As someone who as
been um... "involved" in the need for said contraception myself,
maybe I just took it a bit too personally.
RC Dean is correct in identifying "emergency contraception" as a
misnomer; in many if not most cases, this "contraception" doesn't
prevent conception, but rather causes the destruction of an
already-conceived embryo by making implantation impossible -- ie,
it induces abortion.
And that's why it should be treated differently from true
contraceptives.
crimethink,
Why does that mean it should be treated differently? Granted there
is dispute over how it works, but even if in every
case it prevents implantation, so what? It's still none of Jon's or
your business; abortion is legal. That is simply the legal reality
at this point. If it is your position that should be changed, fine
(though I would disagree), but unless it is I fail to see how you
make the logical leap that it should be treated differently. Well,
technically I would agree in that it ought to be easily available
anywhere without a prescription... but I doubt that's what you had
in mind.
Morat: Amy Alkon talked about this story in her blog. I don't agree with her entirely, but she comments toward the end that no prescription is required in six states, but it's still a hassle there; in contrast, in France you can get it just by asking.
crimethink, EC is not necessarily different from other forms of
"contraception." The pill, for instance, will prevent implantation
and growth of an embryo, whether or not an actual embryo exists. It
doesn't prevent fertilization. The iud irritates the lining of the
uterus to the point that, again, even an existing embryo will not
implant, but instead be shed with the menses. So these, too, are
"after the fact" forms of birth control, except that they are used
in a daily/consistent manner.
No "moral" difference. Only a planning difference.
crimethink says,
RC Dean is correct in identifying "emergency contraception" as
a misnomer; in many if not most cases, this "contraception" doesn't
prevent conception, but rather causes the destruction of an
already-conceived embryo by making implantation impossible -- ie,
it induces abortion.
And that's why it should be treated differently from true
contraceptives.
I love how every fertilized egg that doesn't penetrate the uterine
wall is supposedly "aborted". Well, then, holy shit, imagine how
many trillions of "abortions" happen every single year at the hands
of cruel orthotricyclen users. Murderers!
What's next? Where will the fundies shift the line to this time? Is
"pulling out" going to be considered "abortion" too? Oh, oh,
imagine all the unfertilized "potential humans" that are "aborted"
every time an unimpregnated female has her period! Murderers!
This is getting just a bit absurd, wouldn't you say? If
orthotricyclen is murder, then I know alot of people who should be
in prison (just about every woman I know, to be exact).
I believe that is why the Catholic Church still opposes all
forms of birth control except barriers.
The horror! The carnage!
Geez, you try to make a point about what a great piece of PR the
term "emergency contraception" is, and everybody gets their
knickers in a twist. To clarify:
"Emergency contraception" is great PR. I hope someone got a bonus
for coming up with that. Much better than the perhaps more
accurately descriptive "morning after pill."
I have zero objections to this stuff being sold OTC.
But lets not kid ourselves about the market for it. The vast, vast
majority of this "emergency" contraception will not be sold to
people who use any kind of contraception the way God intended
(before or during the actual sex). Someone whose pill failed will
not be able to use it at all because they won't know about it
within the 72 hour window. Ditto for most other contraceptive
failures (with the occasional catastrophic condom rupture that
actually gets noticed at the time being an exception). You cannot
make a market for EC based on broken condoms, folks.
No, the market for this stuff is people who are too stupid or
irresponsible to use contraception the right way. Stupid and
irresponsible people have rights, too! Hell, they need 'em more
than most, and big pharma deserves every chance to pick their
pockets.
Is that Libertarian enough for ya?
RC Dean,
On the one hand, you may be right. Women who don't use the pill and
sleep with men who don't use condoms are may be more likely to use
emergency contraception than those who take such precautions.
On the other, I would doubt that couples merely having unprotected
sex, or people who engage in lots of sex with multiple partners.
For one thing, taking the morning after-pill is hardly pleasant,
certainly not something that can be done regularly.
I would guess that it fills the accidental(broken condom),
unintentional (girl who slept with a guy after a night out), or
worse (rape victim) market. Not necessarily an irresponsible bunch
of people.
...people who use any kind of contraception the way God
intended (before or during the actual sex).
The way God intended?? I take it you're joking but it's hard to
tell with your posts. At any rate your latest post seems to clarify
my previous quandary - it is only sexual irresponsibility as
opposed to driving fast (which as one poster pointed out may
require "emergency" services as well) that deserves such scorn. Who
cares what reason people have for needing it - never got caught up
in the heat of the moment without any pre-planned contraception?
Well, then I repeat my statement about a boring life. At any rate
I'm glad you're libertarian enough not to try to stop it, but that
does not mean we can't criticize your disparaging those who fail to
use contraception as "God intended." It's your right to do so, of
course, and it's our right to think that's more than a little
condescending.
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