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Allah Yeghama'lo
"May God bury him even deeper," according to a bitter Levantine curse. Arafat is dead.
|11.11.04 @ 12:08AM|#
Mr. Sun: Indeed. Perhaps someone might make a fitting monument out of him by carving the names of PLO victims into his cold, dead chest.
|11.11.04 @ 12:10AM|#
I'm kind of surprised that they aren't going to keep him around and pretend that he's still alive like "Weekend at Bernie's".
|11.11.04 @ 12:22AM|#
Here's a quarter, call someone who cares.
There's a special place in the furnaces of hell for Mr. Arafat.
Hope he enjoys it. Oh, wait, there ain't no hell.
Man, that's just too bad.
Warren|11.11.04 @ 12:40AM|#
thoreau,
Actually, that's what they've been doing for the past three years.
The fact that he's been declared dead must mean they've decided on
a sucessor. I just hope they pick a new Pope soon.
|11.11.04 @ 2:03AM|#
If there was a Hell, it would be poetic justice if he and Sharon wound up having to share a cell or something. Actually, that might be what Hell is for those two.
|11.11.04 @ 3:51AM|#
I always remember the Hunter S. Thompson piece where Arafat,
Nixon and Castro had a clandestine meeting (one of several) in Las
Vegas... They all wore disguises, of course... but it sounds like
they had a good time.
Love those guys.
|11.11.04 @ 4:57AM|#
Chevy Chase: "This breaking news just in! President Arafat is
still dead."
Garrett Morris (Head of the New York School for the Hard of
Hearing): "THIS BREAKING NEWS JUST IN! PRESIDENT ARAFAT IS STILL
DEAD!"
|11.11.04 @ 8:01AM|#
Ha Ha Ha.
Goody bye Mr Arafat, I hope your final moments were clouded with
visions of all your victims over the years.
Long Live Israel!
|11.11.04 @ 8:30AM|#
Trotsky,
Demographically speaking, I think Israel is screwed over the long
run.
|11.11.04 @ 8:36AM|#
"Demographically speaking, I think Israel is screwed over the
long run"
No shit? Why?
|11.11.04 @ 8:40AM|#
Krank,
Well, as I understadn it, the Palestinians are outstripping the
Israels as far as population growth rate is concerned.
|11.11.04 @ 8:43AM|#
A jewish friend told me Arafat might have been bisexual and may
have died of symptoms of AIDS.
??
|11.11.04 @ 8:48AM|#
"Demographically speaking, I think Israel is screwed over the
long run."
Then they need to ratchet up the PR with more pictures of the Tel
Aviv love parade. Please?
|11.11.04 @ 8:58AM|#
andy -
He won the peace prize because the panel is composed of jimmy
carters. Even he got one once he lambasted U.S. foreign policy.
Just wait, Castro will probably get one, then Osama.
|11.11.04 @ 9:06AM|#
Derek Douglas,
Please, whether we like Arafat or not, let's not distort the
historical record. Arafat shared the Peace Prize with Peres and
Rabin in 1994 after the Oslo Accords. Given their breakthrough
nature, and in light of the fact that no one could predict that
Olso would collapse after working relatively well for a number of
years, the granting of the Peace Prize to these three made a great
deal of sense at the time.
|11.11.04 @ 9:16AM|#
no one could predict that Olso would collapse after working
relatively well for a number of years
That's funny. I seem to recall a great deal of skepticism from a
number of quarters that Arafat would keep his side of the deal,
which in fact he never did. In fact, I seem to recall some
contemporaneous speeches by Pal notables (in Arabic, of course) in
which they bragged about their plans to break the deal.
|11.11.04 @ 9:17AM|#
Please, whether we like Arafat or not, let's not distort the
historical record. Arafat shared the Peace Prize with Peres and
Rabin in 1994 after the Oslo Accords. Given their breakthrough
nature, and in light of the fact that no one could predict that
Olso would collapse after working relatively well for a number of
years, the granting of the Peace Prize to these three made a great
deal of sense at the time.
That's why the Nobel prizes in science are awarded many years after
the winning discovery/research. To determine whether or not they
had a lasting and profound effect. The Peace prize appears to be
awarded on the same basis as the Oscar--transient popularity.
|11.11.04 @ 9:26AM|#
R.C. Dean,
Then I expect you to criticize the Israeli leaders that went along
with Arafat as much as Arafat.
db,
Can you name me a few other recepients who you don't think deserved
the Peace Prize? To me Kissinger springs to mind almost
immediately.
Here's a list of the laureates for you to peruse:
http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/index.html
|11.11.04 @ 9:30AM|#
Arafat was a murderous thug who deserved to die and did. The less said about him, the better.
|11.11.04 @ 9:37AM|#
R.C. Dean,
And as I recall, many expected that Arafat would screw-up from the
start; however, that did not occur; indeed, Israel and Palestine
enjoyed 5-6 years of relative peace and prosperity following the
Oslo Accords.
|11.11.04 @ 9:40AM|#
"Perhaps someone might make a fitting monument out of him by
carving the names of PLO victims into his cold, dead chest"
That won't work for Sharon, Shamir, and their ilk, because their
victims' list will be miles long and it won't fit in their chests
even if written in a microscopic font.
Eric|11.11.04 @ 9:43AM|#
Pity he didn�t die a horrible death the way many of his victims did, but I suppose mercy can trump justice once in a while.
|11.11.04 @ 9:47AM|#
Pity he didn�t die a horrible death the way many of his
victims did, but I suppose mercy can trump justice once in a
while.
It's actually better this way--he was not honored with the
warrior's death he probably would have relished. Instead, he wasted
away, dying in a hospital bed while his closest advisors and his
wife wrangled over how much money she would get.
|11.11.04 @ 10:04AM|#
Merciless,
Would you consider a different screen name to avoid me confusing
you with me?
How about "Ming the," or "Nastyful"?
... joking.
And now that the son of a bitch is dead is the best time to talk
all about what a turd sandwich he was.
|11.11.04 @ 10:51AM|#
JB,
why would Kissinger spring to mind, in particular, as an unworthy
Nobel laureate?
If I remember rightly, he and his opposite number Le Duc Do got the
prize for helping the Vietnam war come to an end, didn't they?
Well, the war pretty much ended then and didn't recommence yet, so
I guess this special price was well deserved, dontcha think?
|11.11.04 @ 11:02AM|#
Ruthless,
What can I say? You ain't got no ruth, I ain't got no mercy.
And now that the son of a bitch is dead is the best time to
talk all about what a turd sandwich he was.
You're right - this is one of those times when "de mortius nil nisi
bonum" can go fuck itself.
|11.11.04 @ 11:24AM|#
As usual: stuck with the evil of two "less"-ers.
At least we have one less "evil."
How about this?: Could his death improve the US position in
Iraq?
fyodor|11.11.04 @ 11:25AM|#
Re Kissinger's prize, I remember some old comedy skit, maybe it
was one of the Ray Stevens parody tunes, that had an interviewer
asking Kissinger:
Q: So what was your proudest moment?
K: When I won the Nobel Peace Prize for ending the Viet Nam War in
1973.
Q: And what was your LEAST proud moment?
K: When the Viet Nam War actually ended in 1975! [or 1976 or
whenever it exactly was, after 1973 anyway!]
|11.11.04 @ 12:17PM|#
db
Actually according to the terms of Nobel's will the prizes are
supposed to be awarded for achievements in the year for which
they're awarded. It soon became obvious that it took years for most
scientific and medical discoveries of merit to be recognized. Like
many bequests changes were made to reflect reality. Nobody has
bothered to contest it, presumably because it was the sensible
thing to do.
Peace prizes did not follow.
Up to WWII it appears prizes went mostly to diplomats and foreign
ministers who concluded grand treaties. Like Kellogg-Briand. That
was where if we scrapped some of our battleships we'd have
everlasting peace. It only took the battleships that were left to
scuttle that one.
Since WWII prizes have been more for social activism. Exceptions
are Lester Pearson in 1957 for the settlement of the Suez Crisis,
Kissing-Le Duc Do, Sadat-Begin, Mandela-LeKlerk and
Arafat-Peres-Rabin. In the last three cases the winners made
serious changes in conduct and attitude and took substantial
political risks to conclude agreements that had seemed imposible
only a few years before. It is a shame the Oslo accords fell apart
so badly, especially since Rabin paid with his life for his part in
them.
I don't think Arafat worked as hard as he needed to to accomplish
the Oslo goals. He was an incredibly corrupt despot as Prez of the
PA. It hasn't helped that Rabin has been in the pocket of the
religious extremists either.
I tend to think Carter deserved to share the prize with Sadat-Begin
or even to get one of his own for getting them to the table. I
think he deserves jack for more recent efforts like his cockup in
NK.
Otherwise I tend to concur; "The Peace prize appears to be awarded
on the same basis as the Oscar--transient popularity."
On the whole though I tend to think the world would be a better
place if had stayed with his original profession. At least more of
the ME might have gotten good roads.
|11.11.04 @ 12:26PM|#
I have it on good authority that Arafat is not dead. He is hanging out with JFK at the 7-11 where Elvis works.
|11.11.04 @ 1:18PM|#
Has anybody heard of any conspiracy theories. The only thing
close I've heard was an interview with a Palestinian women
complaining about the secrecy.
My mother asked me the other day if I thought the Israelis poisoned
Arafat.
She visited Ramallah in 1957 and 1978(I think) and met Quaker
relief workers. They told her stories of assassinations of any
Palestinian would-be politicians who were remotely likely to become
popular.
I hope A's widow put enough aside from the 100 Grand a month she
was getting from the PA as an allowance. Looks like her gravy train
just derailed.
thoreau, if what you say is true Elvis can quit his job if Arafat
can remember the Swiss bank account numbers. Look for them in Monte
Carlo next year. :)
|11.11.04 @ 1:27PM|#
Eric,
His death might actually have been horrible, though the closing
moments of it were in a coma. He may have been sick feeling
terrible and in a lot of pain for many months.
krank,
Because Kissinger undermined the efforts in Paris in 1968 that led
to the same outcome as the 1973 agreement (the lone difference
being the significantly increased body count, intervention in
Cambodia, etc.), that's why.
|11.11.04 @ 1:37PM|#
Isaac, you beat me to it! I was going to post something along
the lines of:
It was the Jews! Cowardly agents of the Mossad murdered him as
he lay in his hospital room! Do not doubt this, O my brothers! This
man of peace will be avenged!
I wanted to be the first to post the inevitable. Just wait, more to
come.
|11.11.04 @ 2:16PM|#
How on earth did the man win a Nobel Peace Prize?
Similarly, how on earth did Jimmy Carter?
|11.11.04 @ 2:29PM|#
It is clear Arafat died of AIDS. The MSM will of course not even
raise the possibility, b/c they know it would do wonders to
discredit him in the gay-hating Arab/Muslim world.
AP actually went out
on a limb to say this:
"Zoning in on a diagnosis for Arafat should be a fairly
straightforward task, medical experts say. Tests can diagnose the
majority of diseases within 48 hours. Since no diagnosis has been
revealed, the most likely explanation, experts say, is that doctors
know what's wrong but aren't being allowed to disclose it. "
But of course no mention of the A-word in a laundry list of
possible ailments.
So let me contribute this:
1978 conversation between Constantin Munteaunu, a general assigned
to teach Arafat and the PLO techniques to deceive the West into
granting the organization recognition, and Lt.-Gen. Ion Pacepa, the
deputy chief of Romania's intelligence service under Communist
dictator Nicolae Ceausescu, recounted in "Red
Horizons," Pacepa's memoirs, published in 1987:
"I just called the microphone monitoring center to ask about the
'Fedayee,'" Arafat's code name, explained Munteaunu. "After the
meeting with the Comrade, he went directly to the guest house and
had dinner. At this very moment, the 'Fedayee' is in his bedroom
making love to his bodyguard. The one I knew was his latest lover.
He's playing tiger again. The officer monitoring his microphones
connected me live with the bedroom, and the squawling almost broke
my eardrums. Arafat was roaring like a tiger, and his lover yelping
like a hyena."
The
Arafat I Knew
He hasn't changed since his days as a KGB-backed terrorist.
BY ION MIHAI PACEPA, the highest ranking intelligence officer ever
to have defected from the former Soviet bloc.
The KGB's Man
By ION MIHAI PACEPA
September 22, 2003
|11.11.04 @ 3:36PM|#
Yes, of course Arafat must've had AIDS... I mean who ever heard of an obese 75 year-old man who was a smoker and led an extremely high-stress lifestyle dying suddenly?
|11.11.04 @ 4:30PM|#
"... I mean who ever heard of an obese 75 year-old man who was a
smoker and led an extremely high-stress lifestyle dying
suddenly?"
That's pretty much what I said to Mater in reply to the
Israelis/poison thing. I was just going to say what an old geezer
he was, but she's 82 and still going strong. So I brought up the
smoking bit. I figured that would work since she's been lecturing
me about the evils of tobacco since oh about 1952. It did.
|11.11.04 @ 6:02PM|#
I tend to think Carter deserved to share the prize with
Sadat-Begin or even to get one of his own for getting them to the
table.
Eh, you can get anyone to sit down with anyone else if you promise
them endless piles of no-strings-attached money for doing it.
|11.11.04 @ 7:48PM|#
You hear that, R.C. Dean? Jason Gunnels-O'Bart has flamed you
not once, but twice! On two *different* subjects!
So take that, Mr. Smarty Pants.
|11.11.04 @ 11:48PM|#
It's rather odd to see people disparage Arafat being awarded the
Peace Prize while suggesting in the same breath that a former
terrorist like Begin (former lead of Irgun) ought to have recieved
it.
Furthermore it's rather ridiculous to solely blame Arafat for
rejecting Barak's offer. Arafat was prepared to accept only 22% of
what the majority of Palestinians felt they been entitlement to.
And Barak wasn't prepared to sacrifice 100% of that 22% either, he
wanted to retain control of 20% of its territory, its borders, its
water resources and its transportation routes.
And while noting that Arafat didn't live up to the Oslo accords, it
should be pointed out that neither did Barak. Going so far as to
boast that he hadn't withdrawn from an inch of territory as the
accords demanded (Bibi had incidentally) and both of them continued
to expand settlements, whose prime objective is the prevention of a
Palestinian state ever being established.
But let's keep on with the old "as soon as they stop throwing rocks
and exploding in public, we'll withdraw" approach. I'm sure that'll
bear fruit in my lifetime...not.
|11.12.04 @ 2:34AM|#
It's rather odd to see people disparage Arafat being awarded
the Peace Prize while suggesting in the same breath that a former
terrorist like Begin (former lead of Irgun) ought to have recieved
it
Nobody in this thread has suggested that Begin ought to have
received a Nobel Peace Prize. They've just observed that he DID
receive a Nobel Peace Prize. But heck, I'll make the case for Begin
and Sadat.
Yes, Begin began his career as a terrorist, just as Sadat began
(and, for that matter, built) his career as a brutal and murderous
fascist. But both men actually managed to achieve a lasting peace
between their nations, albeit a lasting peace secured with generous
helpings of American money. So even though both men had blood on
their hands, they perhaps deserved a peace prize.
In contrast, Arafat not only began his career as a terrorist -- he
ended it as a terrorist. He never achieved a lasting peace, or a
temporary peace, or even attempted to achieve any kind of peace at
all, with Israel. His sole "contribution" to the world was the mass
murder of thousands of innocent Arabs and Israelis. Giving him the
peace prize was ridiculous. A minimum criteria for a peace prize
should be doing something to promote the cause of peace, don't you
think?
|11.12.04 @ 5:09AM|#
Dan,
Actually, I didn't "fisk" R.C. Dean on the former matter, though a
half-dozen other posters did.
And Arafat (or at least the Palestinians) did achieve a "temporary
peace" with Israel; as I recall, in 1998 there were no
terrorist-related deaths in Israel. Don't let your ill-disposition
towards Arafat get in the way of reality.
A minimum criteria for a peace prize should be doing something
to promote the cause of peace, don't you think?
And at the time (1994) it was felt that Oslo was this "something."
You're slamming the award based on present, after the fact
knowledge that the awarding party did not possess.
|11.12.04 @ 5:27AM|#
At this time, we should all recall the memory of a man named Folke Bernadotte. Does the name ring a bell with anyone?
geo|11.13.04 @ 3:43AM|#
OK, so you'd like to bury him deeper. If you are an ardent
jewish zionist, and arab-hating racist, then your desire makes a
perfect sense.
Other than that, it looks like you work hard to identify yourself
with your jewish media bosses, and probably please them, and show
them that YOU know who's the man of the house.
Why is it, showing 0 respect to other nations (arabs, french,
germans, russians, europeans) with possibly brits and 'merikans
excluded would make an ordinary joe of your kind sound like a hero,
and a filosofer, but just to mention a word 'jew' would create a
maelstrom of ire and nonsense of accusations of someone being an
anti-semitic RACIST?
I have an answer to the last one - because when one nation (jews)
is self-defined as infallible as a nation of god, and the rest of
the world is defined as a bunch of no-goodnik goyim (you too,
unless you're a PURE-BLOOD JEW), it is a 100% pure and genuine
racism. And nobody can do anything about it because it is the
racism of their masters. Your masters', too!
That's what makes you dance happily on dead people graves - it is
safe, and it is approved by your masters, and it pleases your
masters.
|11.13.04 @ 1:28PM|#
So...in the future, when I bring up the fact that Jews were
dancing in the streets of Israel when Arafat died, will I be called
an anti-Semite? Or I suppose it's OK to celebrate the demise of
someone you dislike when you're one of God's "Chosen" People.
Anyway, when Sharon drops dead from obesity (he must eat two
Palestinian children a day to keep up that weight) I'm going to
secure the body with copious amounts of money (because we know
everything is for sale in Israeli) and then make Sharon Soup,
mixing in a good volume of pig fat for flavor (spite doesn't taste
good), and serve it up on the Sabbath to all the wonderful
extremist Rabbis. I'll also set aside a few bowls for the perfect
little Zionists whose clever comments are littered above.
Last comment (and I swear I'll recede back to the wretched hole
from whence I came) If you think you're special, remember this:
Arafat will be remembered long after your worthless lives have been
erased from memory.
Haha.
Death to Israel
|11.13.04 @ 9:28PM|#
Last comment (and I swear I'll recede back to the wretched
hole from whence I came) If you think you're special, remember
this: Arafat will be remembered long after your worthless lives
have been erased from memory. Haha. Death to Israel
Looks like the left-wing blogs are linking to Hit&Run
again.
|11.13.04 @ 9:46PM|#
Left wing? Left wing!? Excuse me, can we please require
retarded people to have a license to use the Internet?
Long live Arafat. Death to your mother. Fuck Israel.
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