The Abysmal, Pathetic Obamacare Rollout

"A colossal, expensive failure that projects a 1970s-era DMV experience into cyberspace."

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Had the GOP focused on strictly fiscal matters, they not only might have gotten a clean CR at current spending levels and a blessedly dirty debt deal, they might have provided space for a true grassroots movement to delay Obamacare.

Instead, here we are, with a Congress that no one can stand, a president whose numbers are slumping, and a botched health-care reform whose worst days are ahead of it and whose online debut inspires about as much confidence in the future of America as flooz.com did back in the day.

This article originally appeared at The Daily Beast on Thursday, October 17, 2013. Read the originalversion here.

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  • fredtyg||

    All I can say is I tried the Obamacare site for California the day after it started and it worked fine for me. Admittedly, I didn't go through the entire process but I was able to find what plans were applicable to our situation.

  • Sevo||

    If you didn't go through the whole process, you can't make that claim.

  • Rich||

    "It *compiled*, didn't it?!"

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    the state ones are allegedly in much better shape.

  • Irish||

    Oregon has had serious problems and it's a state run exchange. I think that overall there have been better outcomes with the state exchanges, but that's largely because the federal roll out has been so disastrous.

    For every state that's done well, like Kentucky and Washington, you've got an Oregon that's functioning just as poorly as the federal exchanges.

    I like that Democrats are now trying to use the better outcomes of state exchanges as evidence in their favor though. Wouldn't the fact that states have been more successful actually mean that state governments are better run and that therefore we should give more political power to the states? This would, you know, completely invalidate the left-wing worldview.

  • PapayaSF||

    + 50 Federalism points.

  • Killazontherun||

    Though spot on, to the proggies those words above sound like CONfederate talk. However I don't many of them who know shit about anything.

  • Sevo||

    ..."You can argue whether those are good or bad things,"...
    Nope. Any time a third party sticks a nose in a transaction between consenting adults, it is, without fail, a bad thing.

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

    Really? If I caught word that you were about to buy a toxic waste dump thinking it was a good home site, would you want me to keep it to myself?

  • Scarecrow Repair||

    You always cherry pick strawmen like that?

    "If I caught word from a boyfriend's first cousin's boss's daughter-in-law that her tea leaves indicated a sea serpent was possibly likely to strike a giraffe on the second Thursday of next week, would you want me to keep it to myself?"

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

    It's not a strawman, it's a member of his defined set. The situation I described would be one example of a third party sticking his nose into a transaction. That intervention does not require force to be "sticking his nose in."

    Sevo didn't make his argument narrow enough. That makes it pretty easy to poke holes in it. Don't blame me.

  • Carolynp||

    No, he said it was a bad thing. How did you get your information about the home site? Are you out taking samples on private property? Typically busybodies get their information by guesswork and assumption. It's hilarious to me that the people with the co-exist bumper stickers are so completely incapable of butting out of other people's affairs.

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

    For the sake of this argument it doesn't matter how the third party got the information. It just matters that it is correct, you don't have it, and your transaction partner has no obligation to give it to you unsolicited.

    Like I keep saying, there are a lot of ways to "butt in." They range from offering a word of warning to using force to override a decision. They are not "without fail" bad things. Talking to a stranger is not force.

  • Sevo||

    Poor, poor bleever ignoramus trying to find a reason to argue with a rational person.
    Such a shame. So stupid.
    So, so, so stupid, asshole.

  • Sevo||

    Cascadian Ephor Xenocles|10.19.13 @ 3:02PM|#
    "Really? If I caught word that you were about to buy a toxic waste dump thinking it was a good home site, would you want me to keep it to myself?"

    Gee, how.............
    infantile.
    I guess I should have included 'non-fraudulent', but then adults wouldn't need that specified, would they?

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

    Don't blame me for your inability to communicate effectively. "Any time" and "without fail" are pretty strong qualifiers. Also there's no reason to believe you necessarily came to that opinion through fraud. You could simply be misinformed about the land's value without telling the seller your intentions.

  • RightNut||

    Then that is your fault for not knowing the value of the land.

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

    Of course it would be. I'm talking about a benevolent third party "sticking his nose in" to correct you.

  • Sevo||

    Cascadian Ephor Xenocles|10.19.13 @ 5:19PM|#
    "Don't blame me for your inability to communicate effectively"

    Don't blame me for you pedantry, idjit.

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

    You have no right to be arrogant here, Sevo. You made an argument; own it or revise it.

  • Sevo||

    Cascadian Ephor Xenocles|10.19.13 @ 8:01PM|#
    "You have no right to be arrogant here, Sevo. You made an argument; own it or revise it."

    I have every right to be arrogant as you do to be stupid.
    Fuck off.

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

    Right back at you, pal. By the way, an accusation of pedantry is really just a way of saying I'm right but you don't want to admit it.

  • Sevo||

    Cascadian Ephor Xenocles|10.20.13 @ 2:09AM|#
    "Right back at you, pal. By the way, an accusation of pedantry is really just a way of saying I'm right but you don't want to admit it."
    No, you pile of shit, it's a way of saying you're a cherry-picking ignoramus hoping someone might find you "clever".
    Go fuck yourself.

  • LarryA||

    If I caught word that you were about to buy a toxic waste dump thinking it was a good home site, would you want me to keep it to myself?

    I'd want you to tell me about the waste.

    "Sticking your nose in" would be busting my door down with a SWAT team, burning the contract I might still want to sign, (because I have a plan to clean up the waste) and forcing me to buy a condo in the city because you hate suburbs.

    In the case of the ACA, why do I (a 66 year-old male) need free birth control pills and coverage for pregnancy and neo-natal care?

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

    That's one form of sticking your nose in. But so is offering unsolicited advice where you are not a stakeholder.

  • Dweebston||

    Then you can take it for granted that Sevo didn't mean third parties offering unsolicited advice but rather third parties with monopolies on violence prohibiting, enjoining, or otherwise encumbering transactions between consenting adults. You know, the point of our discomfort with having feds mediate our healthcare decisions.

  • Sevo||

    Thanks, D.
    CEX is trying to be 'cute' and ending up as an idjit.
    CEX, I got a hint: Post as if you're an adult.

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

    Sevo, you're one of the most infantile regulars here. Every post on atheism of yours that I've read reads like a pissed-off teenage know-it-all. You take correction worse than my seven-year-old.

    I'm sure you'll grow up someday. We all do.

  • Sevo||

    Cascadian Ephor Xenocles|10.20.13 @ 2:13AM|#
    "Sevo, you're one of the most infantile regulars here"

    Ohhh! One more ignorant bleever pissed at being called on ignorant bleef!
    Stuff your bible up your ass, idiot.

  • bpete1969||

    "Do these people think we’re Republican-level stupid or what (more on that later)?"

    Actually "those people" knew you were Democrat-level stupid based on the entire process, from passage to creation to roll out.

  • BakedPenguin||

    Those two should just get a room already.

  • Paul.||

    So we can find out what's in it?

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    I'm not going to it. I'm not messing with it, and I might end up doing more time than the terrorist bomber from the 1970s I'm writing about when they decide to jail people like me instead of fining us.

    Or I might chicken out before that point, like I do with my taxes every year. Time will tell.

  • ChrisN||

    Think of all the jobs Obama has created for his political coalitions and ideological allies in that 1970's DMV craptastic flying machine.

    Just think of it, Johnny. No, seriously, THINK about it. NOW.

    Progress!

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    [12:35:03 am]:Thanks for contacting Health Insurance Marketplace Live Chat. Please wait while we connect you to someone who can help.
    [12:35:05 am]: Please be patient while we're helping other people.
    [12:35:09 am]:Welcome! You're now connected to Health Insurance Marketplace Live Chat.

    Thanks for contacting us. My name is Raymond. To protect your privacy, please don't provide any personal information, like Social Security Number, or any other sensitive medical or personal information.
    [12:35:29 am]:CALLER
    Hi Raymond.
    [12:35:42 am]:Raymond
    How may I help you?
    [12:36:07 am]:CALLER
    I have a few questions; I was told I have to purchase health insurance, is this correct?
    [12:36:33 am]:Raymond
    Do you have any kind of health insurance?
    [12:36:40 am]:CALLER
    Not right now.
    [12:38:15 am]:Raymond
    Ok if you do not have health insurance you will have to get it in less you qualify for an exemption.
    [12:38:51 am]:CALLER
    Ok, two more questions. One, why do I have to get it and two how do I get an exemption?

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    [12:39:41 am]:Raymond
    If you don't have health insurance, you won't have to pay a fee if you qualify for an exemption. You may qualify for an exemption if:
    [12:40:02 am]:Raymond
    •You are a member of a recognized religious sect that is conscientiously opposed to accepting any health insurance benefits.

    •You are a member of a recognized health care sharing ministry.
    •You are a member of a recognized Indian tribe or are an Alaska Native.
    •You are not required to file a tax return because your income is too low.

    •You are uninsured for less than 3 months of the year.
    •The Department of Health and Human Services certified that you suffered a hardship that makes you unable to obtain coverage.
    [12:40:22 am]:Raymond
    •You can't afford coverage because the minimum amount you must pay for the premiums is more than a specified percentage of your household income.

    •You are currently in a jail, prison, or correctional facility.
    •You are not a U.S. citizen, U.S. national, or alien lawfully present in the United States.

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    [12:40:42 am]:Raymond
    When exemption applications become available later this year, you will be required to provide your Social Security Number and other documents to apply. All of the information you provide, including your Social Security Number, is confidential. The Health Insurance Marketplace uses your Social Security Number to find and verify information, such as your income or household size, and it supports eligibility determinations for an exemption.
    [12:41:54 am]:CALLER
    Ok, thanks. I think I understand. But I think this system has a catch 22 here. Let me see if I understand.
    [12:42:28 am]:CALLER
    So... if I don't buy health insurance, and I don't pay the tax, can I be incarcerated?
    [12:42:55 am]:CALLER
    And if I am incarcerated... I am exempt.
    [12:43:41 am]:Raymond
    If you do not pay it then it will come out of your taxes.
    [12:44:48 am]:CALLER
    But what if I refuse to pay the tax? If I don't pay, I go to jail. But if I go to jail, you said I'm exempt, right? So it's like a get out of jail free card plus I don't have to pay for these services.

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    [12:45:20 am]:CALLER
    So, Raymond, if I understand correctly, you recommend that if I don't want to pay I can just go to jail and become exempt?
    [12:46:46 am]:Raymond
    No I did not if you do not pay it will automatically come out of your taxes either one % or 95$
    [12:47:55 am]:CALLER
    How will the IRS know I didn't buy insurance? Is it like a self-reporting mechanism? Like Romney's self-deportation scheme? I just report myself to the IRS? Turn myself in?
    [12:50:49 am]:Raymond
    I will be happy to help you with this situation as it pertains to the Marketplace. However, if you continue to use this type I will have to disconnect this call.
    [12:51:09 am]:CALLER
    What do you mean?

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    [12:51:55 am]:Raymond
    I can help you with health insurance questions.
    [12:52:23 am]:Raymond
    I am not telling you to not pay and go to jail.
    [12:53:08 am]:CALLER
    Fine, I recognize you can't give any advice, but you did imply that's a viable option. Can you please answer my other question? How will the IRS know I didn't buy insurance?
    [12:54:35 am]:Raymond
    The Affordable Care Act requires most people to maintain health insurance. You can get insurance through your job, through the Health Insurance Marketplace, or directly from an insurance company. After open enrollment ends on March 31, 2014, you cannot get Marketplace coverage until the next annual enrollment period, unless you have a qualifying life event such as a birth or marriage. If you do not get health insurance in 2014, you may have to pay a fee.
    [12:55:04 am]:Raymond
    The fee in 2014 is 1% of your yearly income or $95 per person for the year, whichever is higher. The fee for uninsured children is $47.50 per child. The most a family would have to pay is $285. Amounts go up after 2014.

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    [12:55:26 am]:Raymond
    In 2015, the fee per person rises to $325 per person or $975 per family, or 2% of income, whichever is higher. For 2016, the fee per person will increase to $695 per person or $2,085 per family, or 2.5% of your household's income, whichever is higher. The fee for children will be half that amount, and there will be an overall cap for family payments. From 2017 on, the fee will rise each year with inflation. You will also have to pay the entire cost of all your medical care if you do not get health insurance
    [12:55:43 am]:Raymond
    An uninsured person will pay the fee for 2014 in 2015, when he or she files a federal income tax return. If you don't pay the fee, the Internal Revenue Service will hold back the amount from any future tax refunds. There are no liens, levies, or criminal penalties for failing to pay the fee.
    [12:56:36 am]:CALLER
    Ok, but will there be a check box on the IRS form that asks if I have insurance? How will the IRS know if I bought insurance?
    [12:57:13 am]:Raymond
    The marketplace is in direct line with the IRS.
    [12:57:51 am]:CALLER
    Fine, but what if people get healthcare elsewhere, not from the government marketplace. How will the IRS determine if someone has health insurance outside of the marketplace?

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    [12:59:29 am]:Raymond
    You have to give any insurance company your tax information and that goes straight to the IRS.
    [01:00:27 am]:CALLER
    Aha, so the IRS has a database of the health care insurance status of every American?
    [01:01:09 am]:Raymond
    If you have insurance you will be in the system.
    [01:01:41 am]:CALLER
    Ok, a few more questions.
    [01:02:29 am]:CALLER
    So, under the ACA qualifying insurance plans must include a number of additional services like contraceptive coverage, mental health screening and more, correct?
    [01:03:01 am]:Raymond
    Yes it does.
    [01:03:59 am]:CALLER
    Well, I'm a boy and don't really need birth control and my mental health status is good. So, how do I opt out of these services? I will never use them and don't want to pay for them. I can't get pregnant, so why would I need coverage for pregnancy screenings?

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    [01:05:37 am]:Raymond
    If you put you are a male then put that you are not pregnant and you do not have any mental health issues.
    [01:06:13 am]:CALLER
    Oh great! So there are options on the application form for that? So I'll pay less money for a plan than the women will, right?
    [01:07:28 am]:Raymond
    Yes inless the woman is not pregnant and is not on brith control.
    [01:08:06 am]:Raymond
    Then it woiuld be pretty much th esame all depending on how much money you make a year.
    [01:09:03 am]:CALLER
    I see, thanks. So, last question. Why do I have to buy insurance if I don't really need it?

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    [01:09:59 am]:Raymond
    . The law provides you with greater consumer protections, new coverage options, and increased consumer The health care law puts you in control of your health care and may help to lower your health insurance costs. One of the biggest provisions of the law is the creation of a new Health Insurance Marketplace to offer you more affordable health insurance.
    [01:11:00 am]:CALLER
    But, I don't want any health insurance. I have enough money to pay out of pocket if I get really ill, but I'm young and healthy and don't want to buy it. Who specifically says I have to?
    [01:11:29 am]:CALLER
    President Obama?
    [01:12:13 am]:Raymond
    Affordable Care Act (ACA) law
    [01:12:40 am]:CALLER
    So the law says I have to buy insurance?

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    [01:13:25 am]:Raymond
    Yes the law says you have to buy insurance or you will be fined on your tax returns.
    [01:14:43 am]:CALLER
    Ok Raymond, final question. It's a philosophical one. If the law says I have to be a slave and do what other people tell me to do can that law possibly be valid morally?
    [01:16:08 am]:Raymond
    All I can tell you is that if you do not get health insurance you will have to pay a fine.
    [01:16:37 am]:CALLER
    Thanks for your time Raymond.
    [01:16:41 am]:Raymond
    Thank you for contacting Health Insurance Marketplace Live Chat. We are here to help you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
    [01:16:49 am]:CALLER
    Have a good evening.
    [01:16:55 am]:Your chat session is over. Thanks for contacting us, and we hope we've answered your questions. Have a great day.

  • Rich||

    Thanks, GSG.

    [12:59:29 am]:Raymond
    You have to give any insurance company your tax information and that goes straight to the IRS.

    Emphasis added. And what, exactly, is *that*?

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    No idea. I loved when he said men will pay less than women. Is that not patently false?

    I also laughed when I thought about how if I don't pay the tax I can presumably go to jail, but if I go to jail I am exempt from the tax. It's a paradox!

  • ||

    Well, he is correct that at this time there are no criminal penalties for failing to pay the penaltax. So technically you cannot go to jail.

    The real question becomes what would happen if you didn't have a refund, would they send you a bill for the penaltax? What if you didn't pay the bill?

    I personally have not had a tax refund in over 6 years because of the way I setup my exemptions, and the structure of my wages. I'm quite curious as to how this will be applied.

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    It's true the tax can't be a penalty with enforcement mechanisms. I just assumed that if I misrepresented my insurance status I could get in trouble for that... but it seems like they'll know whether I lie or not.

  • blcartwright||

    IOW, to make this work, they have to know everything about everybody.

    Why are there even enrollment periods? They don't have them for car insurance. If it's August and I've decided GEICO sucks, I just call up USAA, get a new policy, then call the gecko and tell him to take a hike. That's a strong incentive to keep customers happy.

    People under 30 can get high deductible hospitalization, although those under 26 can just free load off mom or dad's plan. But once you turn 30, no more catastrophic. I'd sue them over that, if they took away the coverage that best suited me because I reached a certain birthday.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Why are there even enrollment periods? They don't have them for car insurance. If it's August and I've decided GEICO sucks, I just call up USAA, get a new policy, then call the gecko and tell him to take a hike. That's a strong incentive to keep customers happy.

    They are mimicking employer provided insurance because they are stupid.

  • Rufus J. Firefly||

    Hey, this is better investigative reporting than the papers! Thanks!

  • tarran||

    You have to give any insurance company your tax information and that goes straight to the IRS

    Here in massachusetts, they created a form called the 1099-HC. It's generated by a health insurance company and sent to all of its customers. The form lists which months that customer was insured by the insurance company.

    The customers must submit all their 1099-HC's and show that between all of them they cover all the months of the year. The big exemption is if you are on Masshealth (Mass medicaid), where they report your coverage state to the Dept of Revenue directly.

    My guess is that the 1099-HC will now become an IRS document.

  • blcartwright||

    I thought SCOTUS said all this was constitutional because it was NOT a fine, but now everyone who works for Obama says it is.

  • Moogle||

    C C C C C COMBO BREAKER !!!!!!!!!! N

  • SweatingGin||

    you will have to get it in less you qualify for an exemption.

  • Snark Plissken||

    Yeah saw that also, that's not a simple spelling error but a basic misunderstanding of English usage.

  • Mike M.||

    Yep, you know that even the left is beginning to realize what a complete shit sandwich this monstrosity is, because Block Yomomma has already started to try to subtly blame republicans for it (which, to be fair, he does for pretty much everything).

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    What are his talking points?

  • John C. Randolph||

    Well, obviously the whole thing is the republicans fault because their hostility just got the vendor so flustered that they fucked the software up!

    -jcr

  • Carolynp||

    Hey, I'm totally on board with that. As a programmer, I get to just say, "Clearly, I didn't do my job because I'm super upset about government expansion."

  • Paul.||

    What are his talking points?

    He has a point, so he talks about it.

  • Bobarian||

    He has a point, but if he combed his hair different, you wouldn't be able to see it.

  • Gbob||

    Most recent one I heard today is that the only reasons the prices are high are because Republican governors have been too slow in setting up exchanges.

  • fdog50||

    OK conspiracy theorists. When will someone come up with the idea that teh lousy performance of the ACA website is an indifferent or malicious action by the administration to punish the states that did not set up there own exchanges and accept Medicaiexpansion? Most of the positive comments about using the websites have been from those using sites set up by states that have their own exchanges and accepted the expansion. So others have to use the federal one. When people complain all Obama and his underlings have to say is "See? If your state had set up an exchange, then you would not have to use this crap?"

  • Faceless Commenter||

    Good luck to them with that, because plenty of states are doing lousy, too. Zero signups on the Oregon exchange? Hawaii exchange taken down? Maryland going down? There are lots of boasts about California's exchange, but it's been going down every weekend -- it's down right now.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    I think the President is one of the worst we've ever had. I'd vote to impeach him in a second, and a just world would see him ridden out on a rail.

    And I still think "Block Yomomma" is the gayest fucking insult since Gay came to Gaytown. I mean, gayer than George Takei and Liberace's love child.

  • John C. Randolph||

    I think the President is one of the worst we've ever had.

    I might agree with you if I believed he was actually in charge, but this guy's got "Chauncy Gardner" all over him.

    -jcr

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Yep, and President Jarrett is one mean lizard that can rip your heart out with a flick of it's tongue.

  • ||

    Don't worry, NK, he'll keep using his moronic insult until the end of time. He thinks it's funny, and so do the Realdolls he keeps in his basement for company, so that's all the reinforcement he needs.

  • Paul.||

    What do you have against RealDolls?

  • ||

    They're too stuck up and always turn me down! Bitches!

  • Paul.||

    My RealDoll, Candice, never turns me down. I've had her for five years now, and we got to second base last night.

  • ||

    Stop rubbing it in my face!

  • Bobarian||

    Yeah, you don't want him to do that...

    I mean, when's the last time he washed that thing out.

  • Mike M.||

    Thanks for the opinion Randian.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    What would you impeach him for?

  • John||

    Using the IRS to go after his political opponents? Illegally sending guns to Mexico? Illegally bombing Libya? Ordering the assassination of an American citizen outside of a combat zone?

    There seems to be a few options.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I was going to go with the Libya one as well and it'd be the most interesting. Do you go with not getting a declaration of war or with not complying with the War Powers Resolution?

  • tarran||

    The guns to Syria..

    It literally is treason. Al Queda is an enemy of the United States, and by arming one of their affiliates Obama has ordered the CIA to give them aid *and* comfort.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    There's also unilaterally rewriting laws ie failing to faithfully execute them; The whole NSA spying thing; Asserting the rightful power to extra-judicially kill citizens and suborning perjury to congressional oversight committees.

  • JidaKida||

    Dude is like way cool man!

    www.Got-Privacy.com

  • fredflinstone||

    ty bpete and all those that know better, if the authors of this comical piece was republican level' 'stupid'' then we would not be suffering under this ''obamacare Ponzi scheme' 'they would be better off letting Elmer Fudd be the obamacare guide' 'be vewwy vewwy qwite, we are hunting the elusive obabacare suckers'' at least we would get a laugh instead of groans and pains in our backsides.

  • ||

    How Obama's 'Chief Technology Officer' defends Obamacare

    President Obama's first Chief Technology Officer Aneesh Chopra defended the launch on Wednesday night, saying "glitches happen."
    [...]
    When Friedman asked what happened to HealthCare.gov, Chopra admitted not everything had gone right, but asked the audience to "put it in the context that glitches happen." He then compared the issues to problems in commercial products, saying that it was like when United and Continental Airlines needed time after their merger to integrate their reservations systems, or how Twitter's fail whale made a lot of appearances during the 2010 FIFA World Cup as the service became overwhelmed.

    ...But, he argued, the government was doing a good job responding to the problem and was taking steps to getting it running smoothly, although it would be "a little bit longer."
    However, he believes that the problems were actually a sign of the popularity of the Affordable Care Act initiative. "This means that the American people are hungry for this product," he said.

    "I ask entrepreneurs this question: Would you rather launch your product and have no one show up, or have overwhelming demand" that they could then meet, he said.

    Dammit, Barack, I'm a spin-doctor, not a tech specialist!

  • BakedPenguin||

    "I ask entrepreneurs this question: Would you rather have a product that people weren't legally forced to purchase, or one that they were?"

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  • The Late P Brooks||

    You've got to expect a few hiccups.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    And, speaking of Star Trek, did the Enterprise have a laundry, or did everybody just toss their dirty socks in the incinerator and get clean ones from the Replicator?

  • SugarFree||

    Not the incinerator, back into the replicator to be broken down into energy to power the ship, just as power form the ship was siphoned of to create the matter of your clothes/food/sex toys.

  • John||

    But apparently the replicators only made uniforms. Ever notice no one ever had civilian clothes to wear off duty or on leave?

  • SugarFree||

    They did a few times. Picard was on Risa in civilian wear. Although Picard kept his own saddle on board, so he wasn't content to grab one out of the replicator..

    They talk about a post-scarcity society, but they sure do invest a lot of effort and space in mementoes, like Worf's museum of props from late 20th century heavy metal videos.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    They talk about a post-scarcity society, but they sure do invest a lot of effort and space in mementoes, like Worf's museum of props from late 20th century heavy metal videos.

    That's one thing they actually got correct. In a fantasy post-scarcity gift-economy like the one depicted in Star Trek, products of craftsmanship would have great value as signals of social capital. Think of Sisko's dad, why the hell would anyone go to a Cajun restaurant when you have replicators? However, it is the ubiquity of replicated food that gives Chef Joe Sisko's hand-cooked Canjun food it's value.

  • SugarFree||

    I always like that as well, but subjective value and personal property are part of that nasty old capitalism they grew out of.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Something of which Quark always gleefully reminded us.

    Also note that in all of Ferengi history, they have never had a war between themselves, only outsiders.

  • ||

    One of the best things Ron Moore did was make the Ferengi more complex.

    Roddenberry was a commie fuck.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Ira Steven Behr is the one who should get the most credit for fleshing out the Ferengi.

  • ||

    Ah yes, I just looked it up. Moore was most involved with developing the Klingons.

    In any case, kudos to that whole production staff for fleshing out other races and viewpoints.

  • ||

    So Moore was responsible for creating a warrior fetish fan base who came to love a vicious, violent, aggressive race of idiots? The whole Klingon culture mystique is based on authority and collectivism, and is appallingly incredibly popular among fans. I hate that aspect of TNG and everything that followed.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Chill out, Ayn Rand! Some folks just like a baddie with charisma, it doesn't mean they particularly subscribe to their worldview.

    And some just like Klingon Rap.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Chill out, Ayn Rand! Some folks just like a baddie with charisma, it doesn't mean they particularly subscribe to their worldview.

    And some just like Klingon Rap.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Chill out, Ayn Rand! Some folks just like a baddie with charisma, it doesn't mean they particularly subscribe to their worldview.

    And some just like Klingon Rap.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Squirrels....

    I hate squirrels.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Three at three.

  • Winston||

    Aaron Sorkin is basically what Gene Roddenberry and Rod Serling would be like if they didn't have to use SciFi to hide their leftist views.

  • JW||

    Something of which Quark always gleefully reminded us.

    I prefer this gem of Quark's wisdom.

  • Pathogen||

    Along with unique art, intellectual property, patented design, pride of ownership, and the fleeting sense of accomplishment for designing/building the first of a kind idea. I assume all the patent/I.P. attorneys were vaporized in the world wars of the 21st century... Considering the pearl clutching over time shifting, and the VCR, R+W cd/dvd/b.r. disks, torrent sharing and what not, I suspect that apoplectic would be a mild interpretation of the "creative community's" nausea and vomiting at the unveiling of the replicator

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • Pathogen||

    Well, at least the lawyers got what was coming to them... Unfortunately, so did everyone else. On the bright side though...

    nuclear winter › Global Warming™

  • blcartwright||

    the replicators made food too. the little door slid open and there was the plate. IOW, your meal was made of flushed shit and old laundry.

  • Carolynp||

    I notice the unitard got all creepy for a while there on tng.

  • Mickey Rat||

    The replicators made Nazi era uniforms in "Patterns of Force". Frankly what civilian fashions we do see are...horrific.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I thought the ship was powered by dilithium crystals? Or are they just being green?

  • SugarFree||

    Antimatter powers the ship, dilithium channels and regulates the flow of antimatter into the reaction chamber.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Okay, fine, but why do you need to recycle the energy?

    And another question. Do the replicators actually turn energy into matter or do they assemble existing matter to create the new product? If the latter is the case it would make sense to break the discarded uniforms back down into their base elements to be reused. They would do the same with their biological waste.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Do the replicators actually turn energy into matter or do they assemble existing matter to create the new product?

    I believe it's the latter, but it is possible to perform the former. However, that is only done when they need a substance of extreme purity at the quantum level.

  • SugarFree||

    The replicators are essentially transporters that have "recipes" loaded into them. During transport, matter is converted to energy, and that energy is used to power its conversion back to matter (with some added to offset entropy.)

    They could just have a replicator at the end of the pipe, pumping out hydrogen for reaction mass. Hell, maybe there's a replicator on the other side, making anti-hydrogen. All you would have to do is supplement the energy lost through conversion.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    And that leads to yet another question.

    Antimatter only becomes energy when it comes in contact with matter and annihilates. Does the Enterprise carry a supply of matter for this purpose? And what kind of matter is it? Does it matter (yeah, I know)? I'm assuming they'd use hydrogen due to it's abundance, but it would take up a lot of space. Or do they just have a big room full of coal and have redshirted Ensigns shovel it into the reaction chamber?

  • blcartwright||

    anti matter is rare, so they have to store it in magnetic bottles. regular hydrogen can be scooped out of space as they fly along.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Not the incinerator, back into the replicator to be broken down into energy to power the ship

    Right. The INCINERATOR. The Enterprise was steam powered.

    Don't you know anything?

  • SugarFree||

    That's right. It burned dilithium crystals.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    No, Folger's Crystals

    h/t David Letterman

  • Rrabbit||

    the project was now roughly 70 percent of the way toward operating properly.

    Somebody forgot the 90:90 rule of project planning: the first 90 percent of the project take the first 90 percent of the time, the remaining 10 percent of the project take the other 90 percent of the time.

    But this is the government, and the government won't go out of business despite a history of failures of epic proportions. So why should they care? Evidently, they don't.

  • John||

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....r=Politics

    Even HUFFPO is admitting this thing is a disaster. But not to worry, the leftists in the comments claim this is all going to plan and is just creating the opportunity for the states (that is right the left has discovered federalism) to create their own single payer plans.

    Obamacare paves the way for the fiscally conservative option Single Payer. Obmacare allows for an innovation exemption. If a state can provide quality coverage for more people at a lower cost than Obamacare, they are allowed to do it.

    Vermont will be the first to implement single payer in 2017. A law in Vermont was passed in 2011 to begin the process.

    A 2013 poll found that 52% of the people in Vermont support single payer while only 30% oppose it with support increasing since 2012.

    http://vtdigger.org/2013/02/28.....17-unsure/

    Since every country in the world with single payer provides healthcare at substantially lower costs than we do without it, Vermont will likely prove to other states that single payer is the fiscally conservative alternative.

    I would challenge those in the red states to also take advantage of the innovation exemption if they think they can come up with something better than Obamacare.

    I would say they are getting pretty fucking desperate for spin.

  • John||

    Then of course you have the real dead ender bunker dweller types

    How did Apple maps work out when first released........ all complicated software has buds when first rolled out... that is why Apple and Microsoft have weekly software releases and updates.

    This is no different.... it will take a few weeks to get the bugs out....

    There is plenty of time to enroll.....

    It is just a few weeks away from working. We just know it!! Obama promised!!

  • Ted S.||

    There was of course a law requiring people to buy Apple's map software.

  • Ted S.||

    What's Vermont going to do when people don't want to work there as doctors?

    I would challenge those in the red states to also take advantage of the innovation exemption

    I'm not in a red state, by my innovation is to make high-deductible catastrophic care plans the norm.

    Oh, Obamacare is making those more difficult, if not impossible, to get.

  • SweatingGin||

    What's Vermont going to do when people don't want to work there as doctors?

    Raiding parties to hospitals in neighboring states?

    I hadn't caught much about Vermont's law on this. Be interesting to see what it does and where it will fall apart.

  • Carolynp||

    It's the maple syrup. Makes 'em all uppity.

  • Paul.||

    What's Vermont going to do when people don't want to work there as doctors?

    Geez, Ted, it's like you're new here. Tax incentives and subsidies.

  • Faceless Commenter||

    What's Vermont going to do when people don't want to work there as doctors?
    ---------------
    Set up interest-bearing escrow accounts for U Vermont med students who promise to practice in-state for X number of years after graduation. If they leave early, no dough.

    Hm. Did I just accidentally make sense? They matriculate 114 students/year.

  • Bryan C||

    Well...Doctors aren't really people, you know. Not like us.

  • SugarFree||

    the fiscally conservative option Single Payer

    Son of a bitch, that is funny.

  • Ted S.||

    If single-payer is so virtuous for health care, then let's use it for lawyers, too.

  • Gbob||

    I love the reaction I get from my progressive lawyer girlfriend whenever I bring it up.

    Thing is, I'm really starting to think the best way to break the system is to get the mob riled up and calling for a single payer legal system. Hell, if anything the disparity in outcome depending upon how much coverage you have is far greater in the realm of the legal profession compared to health care.

    It has potential to be the greatest troll in politics.

  • John||

    All great comedy requires the person saying it to at seem like they actually believe it. The utter smugness and total self assurance makes it real comedy genius.

  • fish_remote||

    The utter smugness and total self assurance makes it real comedy genius.

    A Bill Maher like delivery then?

  • Irish||

    Since every country in the world with single payer provides healthcare at substantially lower costs than we do without it, Vermont will likely prove to other states that single payer is the fiscally conservative alternative.

    And in Canada people have had their faces eaten by rats in hospitals.

    In England they're just left suffering as nurses don't bring medication. They also get to sit in filth all night due to the incompetence of NHS.

    Truly single payer is wonderful.

  • SugarFree||

    Don't forget the hospitals that don't have a single patient in them, just bureaucrats.

  • BakedPenguin||

    They made a joke about that on Yes, Minister.

    Then they found out it was true.

  • ||

    As someone who has been through the NHS (and that was 13 years ago), it is just as terrible as it is reported to be. It was really fun lying on a gurney in the hall for 24 hours with my snapped femur's ends grinding against one another with every movement. At least I had some morphine, though not enough.

  • fish_remote||

    t was really fun lying on a gurney in the hall for 24 hours with my snapped femur's ends grinding against one another with every movement.

    See....there's a reason they say let the Wookie win.

  • blcartwright||

    I've heard about the NHS ambulances that sit in the hospital parking lot, waiting to come to the door, because once inside the door the law says they must treat you within a certain period of time.

  • Bryan C||

    Hey, pal. Settle down. They're "taking a really serious look" at this unsubstantiated allegation of a possible bad thing that perhaps is said to have occurred. They're looking. Seriously. No, not just seriously. Really seriously.

    Jesus, what more do you people want?

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Since every country in the world with single payer provides healthcare at substantially lower costs than we do without it, Vermont will likely prove to other states that single payer is the fiscally conservative alternative.

    "BECAUSE PAYING CASH FOR YOUR OWN HEALTHCARE IS NOT FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE A BLOO BLOO BLOO!!!"

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    I still think it's funny that the progs stick to the cutesy euphemism "single payer". They know that the true name--government-run--would go over like a fart in a spacesuit.

  • Faceless Commenter||

    Even better than "government-run," call it healthcare-dot-gov on steroids.

  • John||

    And this is going so well and the solution is so close that Sibelius won't testify before Congress to explain all of that because she is too busy or something.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/art.....3379804228

  • Fluffy||

    Vermont says they're going to single payer in 2017, but they haven't figured out even the first thing about how.

    I am not exaggerating. They don't even know how they intend to pay for it yet. They don't know what to do with existing employer plans yet. They don't know ANYTHING.

    They passed a bill that essentially reads "We will have single payer in 2017. Details to follow. Yay!"

    I'm hoping they set up single payer paid for by an employer tax. Because then I'll just work for an out of state employer, and take the free insurance. Fuck you, fellow taxpayers. 52% of you applaud this shit, so fuck it.

  • John||

    They might as well just go ahead and ban all but emergency care since that will be the ultimate result as doctors leave to work in other states and people decide to get their healthcare outside of that provided by the people's republic.

  • Paul.||

    Vermont says they're going to single payer in 2017, but they haven't figured out even the first thing about how.

    I am not exaggerating

    Why would we think you're exaggerating? I argued against Joe for years here that declaring healthcare is free or low cost is one thing, providing it is entirely another. Fast forward to the Massachusetts experiment, and you had officials inside the system saying, "Passing a law is easy, actually providing healthcare is hard".

    But remember, we're crazy libertarians, so no one listens to us.

    Fuck you, fellow taxpayers. 52% of you applaud this shit, so fuck it.

    Get your wallet ready, because you're going to be subsidizing Vermont in 2018.

  • PapayaSF||

    In 1990 California passed a law mandating that by 2003, 10% of the vehicles sold in the state had to be zero-emission vehicles. That did not happen.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    ban Skydiving.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    ban trains.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • ||

  • SugarFree||

    Rich's Man Fertile Submissive? Wasn't that the title of the porno version of The Handmaid's Tale?

  • ||

    That seems needlessly complex. The porno version is simply The Handmaiden's Tail

  • SugarFree||

    Maybe Rich's Man Fertile Submissive was the over-literal title for the Chinese edition.

  • Virginian||

    I hope Amazon stands firm here. There are people making a living off this writing. If Amazon bans it, it will be much harder for these people to sell their work, what with the nature of the Kindle Store. If you don't like smut, don't read it.

  • Bobarian||

    Rich Man's Fertile... might be that,

    but your title sounds more a gay-porn send up of "All the President's Men"

  • Bobarian||

    more LIKE a

  • SugarFree||

    My title? That's a real book for sale.

  • Bobarian||

    You said Rich'S Man...

    The Title is Rich Man's...

  • Virginian||

    So I almost lost my cool the other day. Supposed progressive literally shrugged when I brought up the Obama drone killings, and uttered the magic incantation "But but but BOOSSHHHH"

    Literally almost hit him in the face. Had to walk away, seething with anger. I swear, at that moment, if you'd have offered me a button that would explode the liver of every single Obamatard so they could die screaming in agony from toxin buildup, I'd have pushed it.

  • cw||

    If only knowing that logical reasoning is on your side were more than cold comfort.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    I wasn't tempted to hit him, but I did have the frustrating experience of talking to a progressive friend. He noticed I had a Ron Paul book, so it was off to the races about how awful Ron and Rand were, and how awesome Obama was.

    Some choice remarks: Who cares if Rand proposed legislation to reduce excessive drug sentences - talk is cheap! And he can't be an opponent of aggressive wars because all Republicans are ipso facto warmongers. And how can I criticize Obama's wars, since the outcomes of wars are so unpredictable (yeah, I didn't get that one either).

  • Virginian||

    You know one outcome that's completely predictable? The death of people and the waste of money.

    I don't know about the bad peace bit, but there certainly never was a good war.

  • C. Anacreon||

    I actually had a lunch with several prog former colleagues the other day, and they were happy to see me. But I mentioned something during conversation about my liking Rand Paul and the lunch went sour. I didn't really say anything more than that I thought he had some good ideas -- and they all turned on me, becoming quite hostile so that even after the subject changed they kept bringing it back up. At the end when we were figuring out how to pay for the restaurant meal, one said "Mr Rand Paul fan probably things everyone should fend for themselves. I'm sure that means no tip too, right?

    So I guess no more lunches with this gang.

  • PapayaSF||

    Sadly, the lefty "the personal is political" idea is the death of many friendships.

  • John C. Randolph||

    One longtime acquaintance of mine, whom I had thought of as a friend, came unhinged during the "shutdown", and accused me of ignorance w/r/t economics, and claimed that Mises practiced "Lysenkoism". When I pointed out to him that Keynes was a far better example of offering a pretense of scientific justification for power-grabbing, he went on a tirade about selfishness and his belief that libertarianism denies all sense of community.

    He also asserted that my having read Human Action, which he categorically refuses to do, leaves him better informed than myself.

    I didn't even get into the fact that I've worked on Wall Street for several banks, and have a fair bit of first-hand knowledge of how the whole circus operates.

    -jcr

  • PapayaSF||

    When some says libertarians "don't believe in community," it's sadly telling. They really more government coercion equals more "community." Without the USDA's magician's rabbit inspectors, we'd be Somalia.

  • Faceless Commenter||

    I have a stock answer to that: concede everything about Bush. "Yeah, like Bush! Exactly! Man, I was trying to think of where I've seen things this bad before, and it was BUSH. Barack Obama is just like Bush! Thanks for reminding me. So, I was saying....."

  • ||

    So has the "Chinese Food" music video been brought up here yet?

    It is so horrible, so racist, and so pedo, I can't even bring myself to link to it here.

    It's produced by the same creepy-ass dude as Rebecca Black's "Friday". He's dressed up as a panda. Then he raps while he squints his eyes to make them look "chinky".

    And I have it stuck in my head...

  • SugarFree||

    YouTube a bunch of Icona Pop songs. Research has shown that they induce an hour of retrograde amnesia for each song you make it all the way through.

  • ||

    You didn't warn me that these were the "I don't care" idiots.

  • SugarFree||

    Well, did you feel your brain being damaged or not? Because that was all I promised.

  • ||

    Nah, with all the times I've been subjected to that song, the damage was already done

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    You you have to show it to others, or else the panda will eat you after 7 days?

  • ||

    You you have to show it to others, or else the panda will eat molest you after 7 days?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    He's dressed up as a panda who brings a 14 year old girl back to his mansion for a sleepover orgy with other teenaged girls, after which, all he offers the bitch is a fortune cookie.

    All of the above is actually in the video.

  • ||

    Nope. She's *13*

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I blame her skip rope addiction. You know what a baggie of skip rope sells for on the street nowadays?*

    *Yes, the video uses the visual metaphor of comparing jump rope to illegal drugs.

  • ||

    These kids have *amazing* parents

  • John C. Randolph||

    Dude, it's a pop song for pre-teens. Get your mind out of the gutter.

    -jcr

  • Ted S.||

    Ban water

  • ||

    Honest Trailer: The Walking Dead

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Obamacare paves the way for the fiscally conservative option Single Payer.

    Yes, indeed; those niggardly federal purchasing agents will keep a tight rein on expenses.

  • Virginian||

    This is what progs actually believe.

  • John||

    They believe they can cut costs but death panels are a right wing myth. All of the waste in medical care is apparently evil profits.

  • blcartwright||

    right, they'll just pay the docs and hospitals half and expect to receive the same quantity and quality of care

  • PapayaSF||

  • Ted S.||

    48 billion is only three times larger than 13 billion. (Or, just under four times as large as.)

    I mean, you wouldn't say 13 billion is one time larger than 13 billion, would you?

  • PapayaSF||

    OK, I forgot to make it "almost four times." So kill me.

  • C. Anacreon||

    Did you read the progtard response in the comments of the article? "The profit doesn't include the billions paid in bonuses to executives". "This is a false comparison -- Medicare is much more efficient". These people just will never believe that private industry with its evil profits can ever do anything better than Mommy Gov'mint.

    Even more amusing is the comment "Hey, there's fraud in the private insurance claims too!" I'm sure there's some. But the private insurers have investigators and systems in place to minimize fraud because of the enormous impact it has on their bottom line. Medicare investigator types? Who cares -- it's not their money.

  • ||

    Controversies about the word "niggardly"

    Shortly after the Washington incident, another controversy erupted over the use of the word at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. At a February 1999 meeting of the Faculty Senate, Amelia Rideau, a junior English major and vice chairwoman of the Black Student Union told the group how a professor teaching Chaucer had used the word niggardly. She later said she was unaware of the related Washington, D.C. controversy that came to light just the week before. She said the professor continued to use the word even after she told him that she was offended. "I was in tears, shaking," she told the faculty. "It's not up to the rest of the class to decide whether my feelings are valid."

    Emphasis mine

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • ||

    Wow, I expected her to be some dumb shit blogger.

  • John||

    Wow. She pretends to be a community activist while enabling rich white people to steal the land of poor black people. But remember, the real racial turncoats are people like Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell.

  • Alton Knutson||

    I think I may call (973) 622-5057 (during business hours), whisper "niggardly", and hang up.

  • John C. Randolph||

    Stealing poor people's homes is a pretty damned niggardly thing to do.

    -jcr

  • Virginian||

    Oh for fuck's sake. Now see, if they were discussing Huck Finn, I can see how someone might want to avoid the actual use of the word nigger.

    But niggardly is not nigger. It kind of sounds like it, but it is not it. It doesn't mean anywhere close to it.

    It would be like people refusing to say the word bean because it kind of sounds like beaner.

  • ||

    "These crackers are delicious!"

    "You'd better fix the chink in that wall."

    That said, I know at least one relatively well educated (albeit in engineering, not English) individual who thought "niggardly" derived from the slur.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I, for one, am in tears and shaking just reading about it.

    Furious, I am.

    Has no one any regard for my feelings? I mean, is it too much to ask you to change the English language so as not to hurt my delicate sensibilities?

  • cw||

    But if it makes an individual from some special group uncomfortable, you can't use it.

  • LarryA||

    These are the same people who think the army and marines use AR-15s.

  • Entropy Void||

    Legume is now mandated.

  • cw||

    This reminds me of when that progressive guy commented on this website how if we treated private markets the way we treat the government, we'd ban private markets from the face of the earth.

    Goddamn how that guy got it exactly backward.

  • PapayaSF||

    That was a seriously WTF comment, indeed.

  • cw||

    Oh, and you know how else the Apple example isn't analogous? It doesn't risk money that doesn't belong to it.

    Obama is such an asshole, and so are all of his ilk.

  • AlmightyJB||

    My health care contribution is going up 39% next year. Over $650 increase.

  • cw||

    OT: What?

    From a Facebook post: [S]tructures that support white male dominance have to be questioned. Rape is one example of the many ways that structures that uphold white male dominance continue to permeate our society.

  • ||

    Non-white-male rapists are just acting out because they have been oppressed. They are not responsible for their actions.

    Duh.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Is a structure of white male dominance something like a rape dungeon? I hope they would at least serve brie and Starbuck's coffee to the prisoners.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    And how come I never get invited to the white-guy rape orgy parties?

  • Pathogen||

    "Is a structure of white male dominance something like a rape dungeon?"

    Is Warty a white male? If so, than yes...

  • The Late P Brooks||

    "It's not up to the rest of the class to decide whether my feelings are valid."

    What about MY feelings, you illiterate dimwit?

  • thorax232||

    Awesome article Nick. I think the republican party has become the new OWS.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    HOT COED...

    ...was conceived in rape. Her mother was pressured to abort her, but chose to have her adopted instead.

    "This past weekend, the little girl born into those tough circumstances was elected [Auburn] university’s homecoming queen after running on a platform entirely devoted to adoption advocacy."

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Her mother was threatened with divorce by her husband if she didn't have an abortion.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

  • PapayaSF||

    She looks mixed race. I wonder if that had something to do with the ultimatum? White mother, black rapist, and a white husband especially upset about a kid who would not look like his?

  • ||

    Good for her and that's a wonderful story, but how does that change the argument that the mother should have had that choice to abort?

    Giving her the option isn't the same as demanding she take it. And I say that as someone who leans pro-life.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    She was rescued by a pro-adoption ministry and she herself wants to promote adoption. If that kind of ministry can protect a rape victim's child when the victim's husband is pressuring to abort, imagine how much good such a ministry can do in some of the less-dramatic crisis-pregnancy cases?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Here's the outfit that saved her:

    http://lifelinechild.org/

  • The Late P Brooks||

    [S]tructures that support white male dominance have to be questioned.

    TEAR DOWN THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT!

  • Winston||

    truly popular demands for reductions in spending and debt

    WTF is Gillespie talking about here? He does know that reducing spending and debt requires cutting actual programs? And how popular is cutting an actual program?

    Also the DMV is still here...

  • Winston||

    whose online debut inspires about as much confidence in the future of America as flooz.com did back in the day.

    Where is Gillespie without his lame pop-culture references.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    "The ocean-corroded violin is believed to have belonged to Wallace Hartley, the bandleader....Hartley and his band continued playing "Nearer, My God, to Thee" on the deck even as the ship sank into the icy waters of the Atlantic."

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/c.....-1-6m.html

    h/t Lucy Steigerwald

    There's one mistake in the article. Here's the song Hartley actually played:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Fj33r2qdc

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Shoot, I left out the headline:

    Violin Played on Titanic Sells for $1.6M

  • Response||

    Am I the only programmer who's beginning to feel professional shame about the Obamacare website. Love it or hate it, 3+ years and at least $200+ million for an apparently epidemic set of websites that most experienced professional business website programmers figured they could have done in 6 months with a small team for about $2 million makes you long for the $500 wrenches of the 1980s. I think about the game industry where Call of Duty, World of Warcraft, GTA, Farmville, etc have to be able to handle 1+ million users on day one doing hundreds/thousands of server hits per individual and I have to wonder who was hired to build the federal websites. I'm not saying that I would have expected the websites to be perfect on day one, but anyone in the games industry would have had a couple of patches within the first week and within two weeks would have had the sites humming.

  • blcartwright||

    I do baseball stats for websites and teams. I've been paid about $30k over 4 years. I spend many hours a week after work improving my code. As for the "55 databases from different agencies" well this week I coded a program to download all the play by play from the Cuban league. They did not respond to inquiries. I download all the stats, rosters, etc from Japan. South Korea is up next, and I have to deal with Hangul and that they don't like people to have their stats. At least I get along fairly well with MLB. Even if they don't offer up all their json addresses, I still do nightly downloads of pitch by pitch play by play, rosters, transactions, etc.

  • John C. Randolph||

    Why in the world should you feel shame over anyone else's incompetence?

    -jcr

  • XM||

    The Republicans would have won if they focused on fiscal matters and concocted a "dirty deal"? They shouldn't have touched Obamacare at all, even though they made the most gain out of that issue?

    Shutting down the government over Obamacare is a manageable risk, given its low popularity. But shutting down the government because the GOP insisted on a 30% cut to medicare or defense would have spelled disaster.

    Why do people correctly observe that the Dems control the white house and the senate, thereby blocking any GOP efforts to defund Obamacare or reduce spending, but also blame GOP for capitulating? If they abandoned the futile defund strategy and focused on delaying ACA or repealing the medicare device tax, Obama would have played along?

  • Winston||

    Reason is run by concern trolls, that's why. I mean why else would they gleefully point out poor opinion polls for Republicans who are hated for advocating things that libertarians think are too moderate?

  • John C. Randolph||

    If they actually had any intention of getting our fiscal house in order, they would have cut everything by 48% percent, which would have us running about a 1% surplus.

    -jcr

  • Winston||

    You do realize that if repeal of Obamacare is impossible then so is an across the board 48% actual spending cut?

  • Winston||

    And if the people are mad about the government "shutdown" I'm not sure they would support a huge budget cut.

  • Carolynp||

    The states haven't done so hot on this, either. Bottom line: this program working depends on a group of entitled jerks intentionally paying twice as much (or more) for a product they don't need. Conservatives give twice as much to charity and volunteer twice as much as liberals. I don't see this as having a hot chance in hell of succeeding. Look at how well the unions are doing in Wisconsin after they lifted the requirement to pay. Liberals don't mind sleeping on the floor and harassing their political opponents, but paying their own way seems anathema to them. Paying someone else's way? Not gonna happen...

  • MSimon||

    A month? Twelve?

    Try three years from the CEO of Aetna.

    Me? Six years minimum. A commenter here:

    http://classicalvalues.com/201.....your-time/

    Thinks 60 years.

    The problem is: if the system requirements are conflicting it will never get fixed. You can't turn a bad law into a working computer program. Well you can actually. But the program will not work any better than the law. And probably much worse.

  • Sevo||

    "The problem is: if the system requirements are conflicting it will never get fixed. You can't turn a bad law into a working computer program."

    Pretty sure there is a universal truth here; your fuck-ups are going to be solved by some software or other.
    Thank you MSimon.

  • Sevo||

    Correction:
    "your fuck-ups are *NOT* going to be solved by some software or other."
    Edit tab, please!

  • CatherineJLin||

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  • CatherineJLin||

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  • blcartwright||

    My son (a proud libertarian) is 28, lives and works in Maryland. This is what he posted on Facebook this morning.

    ...signed up for Maryland's Heath Exchange program. So far, I am not pleased with my options. I am fortunate enough to be a healthy, 28 year old male and in order to keep the catastrophic type coverage I have now, I have 2 plans I can choose, both of which are at least double what I pay now in premiums. Each also have double the deductible amounts of my current plan (one plan I can choose has an annual deductible of $6300). Both plans are each over $230 in monthly premiums and aside from me paying more, offer me no more benefits than I previously had at ~$110 a month. Basically, I am going to end up paying at minimum over $200 a month for insurance and might be forced to take a plan that cost even more so I can at least get my money's worth in coverage. Yeah, not a happy camper.

    Responses include:
    Why dont you talk to a navigator. Have them help you.

    You might qualify for various income based tax credits. A lot of people don't realize that the income guideline amounts for Medicaid are changing soon. People who used to not qualify for programs due to making "too much money" will most likely qualify starting in January. Right now the limit is 1,000 a month, but I think the new limit will be twice that amount.

    and if he qualifies for a credit, it would only be an attempt to get back to the premium he had before the law was changed

  • Mickey Rat||

    "...I don’t remember anybody suggesting Apple should stop selling iPhones or iPads or threatening to shut down the company if they didn’t.”

    I don't remember Apple threatening me with penalties if I did not buy their products.

  • juliajuli330||

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  • Brian||

    Are insurance companies now competing like we've never seen? That's what Obama promised. I guess it's true, in a weird way.

  • Greendogo||

    Articles like this are absurd, truly absurd. Hammering on the fact that the website is temporarily overrunning costs or is full of glitches is beside the point.

    The point is Capitalism. For flying fuck's sake, Capitalism!!! Obamacare is NOT CAPITALISM!!! That should be the headline. Every. Fucking. Day.

    This is tyranny, not liberty, and those are the reasons that it is MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE. The reasons against it which amount to bugs in the system are pathetic in comparison.

    The monolithic response should be "freedom of choice", "Liberty", and "Capitalism".

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