Medicaid Expansion Falters in Virginia

Advocates of bigger government face a tough climb.

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The State Budget Solutions report argues that “expanded Medicaid does not guarantee ... effective health care.” It cites a New England Journal of Medicine study of Medicaid expansion in Oregon, which found that while new enrollees had less stress, they had no “measureable improvements in physical health outcomes.” It also cites a 2010 study by U.Va. that found the “in-hospital mortality rate for Medicaid recipients who went under the knife was 13 percent higher” than for the uninsured. The study found “Medicaid payer status was associated with the longest length of stay and highest total costs” — and that’s after “controlling for age, gender, income, geographic region,” and so on.

To the most inflexible advocates of expansion, none of this will matter: There’s a dictator out there trying to build weapons of mass destruction (figuratively speaking). He has to be stopped, so it’s time to go all in. But don’t worry, victory will be cheap and swift.

For everyone else, though, the question should look a little more nuanced.

This article originally appeared in the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

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  • sarcasmic||

    Intentions trump results.

  • Calvin Coolidge||

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  • Floridian||

    "inpatient days per capita decreased by 12 percent while the workforce in hospitals grew by 11 percent"

    Reduced inpatient days are a goal of the hospitals. Hospitals lose money on inpatients. They make most of their money in the operating rooms. So the goal is more surgery with decreased post-op days in house. That would count as an increase in profitability if not an increase in productivity.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Some day, it'll all be robotic and remote. You'll just have a van drive up to your house, perform surgery, and drive off. Maybe leaving a robot nurse until you're recovered enough.

  • ||

    Unless sufficiently developed neural nets are developed first, in which case we'll live for eternity, or at least the portion of it until our sun dies, as disembodied cyber consciousness with no need of medical care.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Huh. So you're saying I can stop looking for monoliths?

  • ||

    Depends how long it takes to get our neural nets...

  • Almanian!||

    If the robot nurse can administer a happy ending, this might be a lovely future.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Of course, we all know that full immersion VR porn with haptic interfaces is what ends the human race. With or without robots.

  • Floridian||

    They have robot that delivers medication in the hospital. It's name badge says its name is Tugg. I got on the elevator with it one time and it freaked out. I didn't know you weren't suppose to ride with it. I guess I screwed up its proximity sensors.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I think it's interesting how much technology forces us to adapt to it, rather than the other way around. Sit wrong on an automatic toilet and get perpetual flushing. Stand in an elevator with a medical robot and risk total annihilation. And so on.

  • Floridian||

    Yeah. This thing was basically a large metal rolling cabinet so when it started spinning back and forth I had to pin myself against the wall to keep from getting crushed.

  • Pro Libertate||

    It's okay. The First Law will protect you.

  • UnCivilServant||

    Due to an oversight, the three laws were never implemented.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Wait, what? But, but they're walking among us and stuff. Assaulting us in elevators.

  • UnCivilServant||

    Yeah, sorry about that.

    But hey, we got the robotic lawnmowers to market on time :)

  • Pro Libertate||

    Robot lawnmowers with spinning blades of death unlimited by the Three Laws.

  • Floridian||

    Skroeder: Maybe it's pissed off.
    Newton Crosby: It's a machine, Schroeder. It doesn't get pissed off, it doesn't get happy, it doesn't get sad, it doesn't laugh at your jokes...
    Newton Crosby, Ben Jabituya: ...IT JUST RUNS PROGRAMS!

  • Rasilio||

    The nurse probably won't be programmed to, but I guarantee you that once robots that advanced exist sexbots will be one of their first applications

  • Pro Libertate||

    I don't know whether this is actually true, but I once read that porn was one of the earliest things printed after the Gutenberg Bibles. And we all know what the Internet is primarily based on.

  • UnCivilServant||

    All I know is that there was an explosion in literacy among the lower classes around that time. Something had to be appealing to them to read...

  • Pro Libertate||

    Of course. All major advances in human technology and art were driven by sex, porn, or both.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    They have a plan.

  • ||

    That's great if you want your dick ripped off or squeezed like an orange.

  • Tony||

    The U.Va. study is being cited by a few conservatives. Unfortunately, they are missing the point or lying.

    The study does not claim that Medicaid is the cause of the worse health outcomes (therefore it does not describe a causal relationship, and neither does Hinkle, i.e., how exactly does Medicaid do this?). The reason these patients have worse outcomes is because people on Medicaid are the poorest, sickest, and least educated of all the groups. "Medicaid patients had the highest incidence of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome, depression, liver disease, neurologic disorders and psychoses . . . and the highest incidence of metastatic cancer," the study says.

    This group would have the worst healthcare outcomes with or without Medicaid. The uninsured group includes people with high incomes who are uninsured by choice.

    So as with almost everything else, the underlying problem is poverty, not some government program.

  • SugarFree||

    Please stop feeding the troll.

  • Tony||

    Sorry, but I couldn't let the troll's mischaracterization of a study go unchallenged.

  • sarcasmic||

    troll's mischaracterization of a study


    That would be you, all day long.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Thank you.

  • ||

    At this point, to borrow a line from one of yesterday's article's, Tony's trolling has become a self-licking ice cream cone. If nobody responds he just replies to himself and/or ramps up the level of idiocy until somebody at least has the decency to call him a moron. Any attention is good attention.

  • sarcasmic||

    Unfortunately, they are missing the point or lying.

    That would be you, all day long.

  • ||

    “Medicaid payer status was associated with the longest length of stay and highest total costs” — and that’s after “controlling for age, gender, income, geographic region,” and so on.

    Who are you going to believe, Tony or your lying eyes?

  • sarcasmic||

    Is Tony missing the point or lying? I'll go with lying.

  • ||

    Is Tony missing the point or lying?

    Yes.

  • Floridian||

    people who are uninsured have an incentive to leave the hospital since they are paying for each day they are there, where if Medicaid is paying the bill why not stay and enjoy free food, drugs, wait staff and cable TV

  • Tony||

    The authors of this study explicitly say they do not blame Medicaid for the poor outcomes. You can look it up. I know you won't.

  • ||

    No, they just said that Medicaid payer status was associated with the longest length of stay and highest total costs and, contra your assertion that the difference is entirely explained by income, that was after controlling for age, gender, income, and geographic region. Do you know what a lurking variable is?

  • DH||

    It looks like they also controlled for morbidity(multi-disease). But apparently all government needs to do per Tony is fart some magic dust onto the poor of society and then we won't have poor sick dumb bastards anymore.
    All hail the power of gubment.


    http://www.nationalreview.com/.....-without-#!

  • Tony||

    Yes, and I quoted the passage in which the authors list some of the factors not accounted for. Others include the differing ways Medicaid payers use the system, the fact that private insurance holders have access to better doctors and facilities.

    The point is the study does show a correlation with Medicare payer status and worse health outcomes. It suggests several reasons this association exists, but none of them are causal.

    This is not to say the entire thing is solved, but current income level doesn't account for these variables, and the most important point is that Hinkle is wrong in suggesting that merely being on Medicaid increases your healthcare outcomes. It is very likely the case that taking Medicaid away will only make the outcomes worse.

  • sarcasmic||

    He's got the straw man on the ropes! Looks like a KO!

  • KPres||

    "the fact that private insurance holders have access to better doctors and facilities."

    In other words, single-payer systems have worse doctors and facilities than private insurance systems, and this causes worse outcomes.

    I agree.

  • MJBinAL||

    Your are right Tony, this study did NOT establish a causal relationship between Medicaid and poor outcomes. In fact, the study did not establish any causal relationships at all.

    I did not see any comments here claiming they did. HOWEVER, a number of comments theorize on possible mechanisms to explain (and therefore establish a causal relationship) the apparent relationships.

    "I hit Tony in the head with a sledgehammer yesterday." and "Tony died yesterday." does not assert "I killed Tony with a sledgehammer yesterday.". It is however, the odds on bet.

  • KPres||

    I wouldn't associate a sledgehammer to the head with Tony's death. You're not accounting for the thickness of his skull or the lack of a brain inside.

  • KPres||

    They may not blame Medicaid (for PC and funding reasons no doubt), but their data and findings sure do.

  • wareagle||

    govt tried to solve property. It made the problem worse.

  • MJBinAL||

    Tony, Just for a change of pace, READ the article first, THEN twist it to your bias.

    Near the end of the article (I know, so HARD to read the whole thing!) it points out that the study was “controlling for age, gender, income, geographic region,” .

    Controlling for income. got That?

  • KPres||

    ""The reason these patients have worse outcomes is because people on Medicaid are the poorest, sickest, and least educated of all the groups.... The uninsured group includes people with high incomes who are uninsured by choice. ""

    Of the three factors you listed, only "sickest" would reasonably have an effect on health outcomes. Any effects from the other two would already be represented by "sickest".

    Having cleared that up, even if I accept that Medicaid patients are sicker than the general population of uninsured, it's irrelevant, since the study only looked at those from each group that were "sick" (ie, had surgery). Healthy people are excluded.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I went to the dentist yesterday. Almost got up and walked out.

    Anyone who says government regulation and fear of litigation don't drive up the price of healthcare are completely ignorant. Since being required to pay my dental out of pocket, I've become quite the interested consumer. I asked the price up front and told them I don't need no stinkin x-rays.

    Long and short of it. He refused give me a checkup and cleaning unless I submitted to paying him an extra $120 for the x-rays, claiming he could lose his license and or be sued if something went unnoticed.

    I was incensed, yet submitted because I figured I'd just go through the same bullshit elsewhere and I needed to get it done. The x-rays...found nothing.

    Fuck government regulations. Fuck illegitimate lawsuits and the shitstain lawyers who get rich because of them.

  • Floridian||

    Liability is huge in healthcare. If two months later you found out you had a tumor in your mandible and found it has now spread to your brain you would have a case if the dentist did not follow standards of care. Now if you had liability waivers that were iron clad people could make more decisions about what level of care they want and weigh cost vs risk.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    This is the point. I was made aware of the odds/possibilities and declined the procedure. The only place I should be able to win such a lawsuit should be fantasyland.

    Fuck the irresponsible and fuck those who want something for nothing.

  • Floridian||

    I agree. I don't have a source but I have heard that 20% of healthcare cost are driven by liability mentality. An example is ordering lab work for healthy 20 year olds. The odds of someone with no health complaints having an illness that can only be identified with lab works is extremely rare, but doctors order it just in case

  • ||

    Nuh huh. They order them cause doctors are greedy bastards that hate poor people. That's why we need to have single payer!

    /Tony

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    Had a friend come here who had just paid $190 for tests and xrays and still had a bad tooth. Dentist here pulled it for 6 bucks.

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