California’s Deadly Embrace of Big Government

Golden State voters open the gates to an endless flood of tax increases.

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While I don’t agree with a friend of mine who argued that state GOP officials ought to be placed head first in a vat of acid in response to their continued incompetence, I do agree that it’s time for rethinking party strategies.

Republicans need to better articulate an alternative vision that is more consistent and libertarian, and that can reach beyond conservative bastions. Then again, it may be too late. Carl DeMaio, a true GOP reformer who knows how to package free-market issues for a broad audience, was beaten by an old-school union hack in the race to become San Diego’s mayor.

The failure of Proposition 32, which would have limited union ability to extract dues from members to pay for the kind of bare-knuckled politics on display Tuesday, was beaten badly. That means that unions will continue to control the field.

After former Republican Assemblyman Chuck DeVore moved from Irvine to Austin, I chewed him out for abandoning California in its time of need. Turn-about is fair play, so he called me following the election to tease me about the new reality in California. He loves California but recommends Texas.

A lot more tax-paying Californians are going to start exploring housing options in Dallas and Houston, now that California voters have decided to give the Democrats the PIN number to their bank accounts.

I’m still not suggesting moving, but it’s wise to keep that agent on speed dial as you watch the coming legislative session in Sacramento.

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  • Tim||

    All the leaves are brown,
    and the sky is gray.

  • WTF||

    And the unions are quite bold,
    Because they know the sheep will pay.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    When you got 'em by the short and curlies, the hearts and minds will follow.

  • Pound. Head. On. Desk.||

    Lyrics popular at the same time as

    He'll be a man they'll test one day
    Have him win the Green Beret

  • WTF||

    Thanks, PHOD. Now I have that song in my head.

  • Ted S.||

    Replace it with the immediately previous Billboard #1.

  • Ted S.||

  • Ted S.||

  • WTF||

    Golden State voters open the gates to an endless flood of tax increases.

    Has Cali reached peak retard?

  • Ken Shultz||

    Everything always looks darkest just before it turns pitch black.

    They're just set the stage for the pain. They haven't actually implemented it yet.

    We've been sentenced to be tortured, but the torturing is still to come.

  • Government Hack||

    Everything always looks darkest just before it turns pitch black.

    Damn, I'm going to have to steal that.

  • Gray Ghost||

    You might like this, Hack.

  • Government Hack||

    Oh wait...that's Charlie Brown, isn't it.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    They have pitched base camp - the final ascent is about to begin.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    It is final descent!!!

  • Lord Humungus||

    Isn't this pretty much the national Democrat plan?

    And the result of one-party rule?

    seriously, we're fucked.

  • Loki||

    Has Cali reached peak retard?

    Remember, human stupidity is the world's only infinite resource. IOW no.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    It's the policy Milton Friedman warned us all about - "B + C collude to tax D for the benefit of A".

    I miss Milton Friedman - a LOT!!!

  • gigarath6||

    Probably not.

  • Killazontherun||

    I wonder if we can lure East Coast proglodytes there with promises of a workers paradise. Have the New York Times send a modern Walter Duranty to report on them.

  • Killazontherun||

    Wait. Why am I asking you, gig?

  • tagtann||

    Those guys really do seem to know whats going on over there. WOw.
    www.Anon-Nerds.tk

  • ||

    You are the worst fucking anonbot ever. Ever.

  • Killazontherun||

    Could you change your handle to Gnatgat. It bugs me how your current one is uncool.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    I applaud this. The nation needs to see a close-up example of where ever increasing taxes, regulations, and anti-capitalism takes you. Might as well be California.

  • WTF||

    The bad results will not be acknowledged as resulting from these policies - e.g. the mess that is Michigan. You would need an unbiased media to actually look into it honestly. The republicans will be blamed, along with not enough regulation, taxes, etc. And the people are stupid enough to buy it.

  • Concerned Citizen||

    Correct. As long as one Republican lives, their plans will be thwarted.

  • WTF||


    As long as one Republican lives, their plans will be thwarted.

    Look for a future referendum making it illegal for non-Democrats to hold office.

  • fish||

    Thank god we're libertarians! I think we're invisible!

  • Fatty Bolger||

    That might be true in California itself, but not even the MSM can convince the rest of the nation that Democrats don't have a stranglehold on California. It's been true blue for too long.

  • WTF||

    Really? The MSM convinced a majority of the nation that the last four years were somebody else's fault besides Obama's.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Sure, but Bush was President when the "great recession" hit, and that's what people remember.

  • WTF||

    Well yeah, but that just confirms my point about the MSM and the stupidity of the general public.

  • Government Hack||

    If Libertarianism is the most reasonable form of government, does that mean a stupid electorate will never embrace it?

    Fuck.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    As long as there are politicians who believe that "doing something" is better than just letting people fix things themselves, and those politicians have the guns and the prisons the answer is yes.

  • ArbutusJoe||

    Here, let me fix that for you.

    As long as most people believe that politicians should "do something" rather than the people fixing it themselves...

  • Doctor Whom||

    Right. Also, near my corner of the universe, a railroad tunnel cannot be expanded because of the state-built light rail and the state-built subway, but the sheeple blame free enterprise and demand that the state step in and do something.

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Except it won't make it to the recriminations phase. The federal piggybank will be opened "to prevent a collapse of the entire municipal bond market".

  • WTF||

    California is Too Big to Fail!

  • jeffshumphreys@gmail.com||

    Oh my. You just predicted a likely future event. What an unpleasant thought.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Michigan has the handy excuse of losing manufacturing jobs for reasons beyond their control, which to some extent is true.

  • Adam330||

    Look. These people have convinced themselves that Greece's problem is "austerity," not overspending. You think they won't have a similar excuse for California?

  • Government Hack||

    I hope Greece reneges on austerity and collapses into total anarchy. Then maybe the dumbshits in the rest of Europe will learn something.

  • Raven Nation||

    They will "learn" that imposing austerity in the first place was a bad idea.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    Until Germany says "fine, we're outta here. EU was a stupid idea and we are through being the rest of Europe's golden goose. "

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Except the nation won't get to see it. If you think for a minute that Obama and the Democrats would have even an inkling of not bailing California and risking putting it in play, you're delusional.

  • Government Hack||

    Do you think that could happen with Republicans controlling the House?

  • Bill Dalasio||

    If Boehner doesn't roll over like he already appears to be doing on tax increases (I'm sure he'll have a big cry about it), Barry will have a talk with helicopter Ben. Welcome to the wonderful world of progressive sucktopia.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    Ben Bernanke has been buying California bonds. It doesn't matter what a Republican House does.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    Boehner should jus calmly hand the gavel to Pelosi and walk out with "you want it, you got it." In fact, that's what all the GOP should do.

    Quit being Obama's fall guy. Just let the DNC run the show.

    See how far it takes Obama. He wants to tax, let him. He wants single payer, he's got it.

    Let progressives destroy themselves.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    My advice: Stay away from Montana, unless you like left wing authoritarianism, and believe the Constitution should not apply at the state level.

  • KalkiDas||

    do you mean "if" instead of "unless" ?

  • RG||

    I was looking at Montana, I thought they weren't run by idiots?

  • el Diablo Gigante||

    I would leave, but I can't get anyone to buy my house. And frankly who would want to move to California who could actually afford to live here?

  • Loki||

    You may have to consider looking to hire someone to burn house down so that you can collect the insurance money and them move.

    I see boom times ahead for aronists for hire/ home owners insurance fraud industry. Best of all, all of their income will be off the books. I'm starting to get an idea for a new business venture...

  • Loki||

    Fuck I can't type worth shit today. Even anon-bot is doing better in that regard. lol

  • Gray Ghost||

    You may have to consider looking to hire someone to burn house down so that you can collect the insurance money and them move.

    That only works if you're already connected. FTA, quoting a pissed off grand jury foreman:

    "This is ludicrous. This is not right. This is a miscarriage of justice," said Ryan, 63, a Republican who has been foreman on at least four grand juries. "If this was David Medina, comma, truck driver, comma, Baytown, Texas, he would have been indicted three months ago."

    IIRC, the indictments were never refiled. No idea whether the insurance company paid off or not. At least he lost in the primary this year for the Texas Supreme Court.

  • LilDebbie||

    I figured in Texas the grand jury could simply russle up a posse. What happened, Lone Star?

  • Emperor Wears No Clothes||

    It says near the end of the story link that the insurance company paid off, even though his policy had expired due to his failure (or neglect) to pay the premium.

  • ΘJΘʃ de águila||

    Where are those matches?

  • The Late P Brooks||

    “It’s time to start anew and to live within our means but at the same time invest in the cornerstone of our future and of our economy, and that’s education,”

    Bring on the dancing alligators!

  • WTF||

    And please ignore the fact that spending on education has tripled since the 1970s with no change in achievement or educational outcomes. Clearly, we still aren't spending enough money.

  • Doctor Whom||

    You're not playing by the rules. In debates over education spending, it is strictly forbidden to mention what that spending actually is.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    You just want to throw teachers and administrators into the streets, you heartless libertarian monster!

    On a related note, do you have a newsletter or other publication I might subscribe to?

  • John||

    Here is a good example of what I am talking about. Don't argue with liberals about spending and education. They are too far gone for that. Just talk about how it is totally unfair that poor people should pay taxes so that administrators can get six figure salaries.

    The next person I hear talking about the poor and the need to tax the rich I am going to tell "You know what is gross, there are people in South Boston who can't pay their heating bills and can't feed their kids while Harvard has a $28 billion endowment and pays even their lowest professors six figure salaries. Why should anyone have that much money when so many people are poor?" Then I am going to watch their heads explode.

  • WTF||

    Great tactic. I think I will use that from now on rather than try to engage them by arguing principles, which is like arguing with a brick wall, anyway.

  • John||

    Pretty much. We don't speak the same language they do. They don't get it. It is not that they are not listening. It is that they really can't understand what we are saying. You have to speak in their language, appeal to their emotions and hold them to their own standards of behavior.

  • LarryA||

    Earlock.

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Alternatively, you might simply tell them that Yes, you do want fries with that!

  • Fatty Bolger||

    That's a good one. We can commiserate about those heartless Harvard bastards. Then just mention, "By the way, did you know that the President and half his staff went to Harvard?"

  • John||

    The big universities are nothing but what the big monasteries were in the middle ages. I suspect eventually they will meet the same fate.

  • gigarath6||

    Thanks to the internet, you might not be that far off from the truth.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    Sounds like a spendid idea. Me likey!

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Many of the state’s businesses backed 39, figuring that it’s better to stick it to out-of-state companies than have the state government come after them.

    Hodie mihi, cras tibi (Today me, tomorrow you).

  • John||

    I have really decided to become and Alinskyite populist when dealing with liberals. Let me give you an example of what I am talking about. A very nice, generally harmless but woefully uninformed liberal friend of mine were going back and forth on Facebook about the state of the economy. In the middle of this, one of his really nasty brain dead friends posts about six posts in a row complete with links ranting about how self regulation doesn't work, banks, need more regulator, banks, Bush, and so forth. You guys I am sure know the type and the bullshit they spew.

    In the past I would have posted a long rant of my own pointing to Coase Hayak and explaining exactly why regulations don't and generally can't work. You all know they arguments. But that would have done no good. Liberals do not speak our language. He wouldn't have understood any of it. That type of thinking is too counter intuitive and subtle for you typical liberal to understand and they have too much of their personal worth invested in their position to listen anyway.

  • John||

    So what I did was said the following; "What good does it do to pass regulations if no one will ever go to jail for violating them? It was Obama who never prosecuted a single person responsible for the 08 banking crisis. Pass all of the regulations you want. But Obama will never enforce them against anyone important. Obama won nine out of the ten richest counties in America. He knows who his supporters are." Stunned silence ensued.

    I am not going to pretend that I changed his mind. But I did shut him the hell up and that is no small feat with these people. We all know that Obama is a crony capitalist who is totally on board with his rich cronies looting the country and is the exact opposite of everything liberals claim to be. But liberals don't know or won't admit that. So when talking to them don't bother to argue in our language. Argue in their language, use their memes and smugness back against them.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Glad to see you're learning. If you can't convert them, at least humiliate them into sullen silence.

  • John C. Randolph||

    Stunned silence ensued.

    I've gotten that reaction when pointing out that Obama signed the PATRIOT act extension. I've even seem some leftards try to deny it.

    -jcr

  • AdamJ||

    My favorite is correcting them by saying that it was Clinton who signed Gramm-Leach-Bliley and NOT GW Bush. Then I explain that Gramm-Leach-Bliley repealed Glass-Steagall. That's usually met with, "oh...yeah but still..."

  • Jena||

    Sullen silence is no small victory. Getting them to stop spouting the bumper-sticker slogans is a relief. I like using the fact that Obama signed NDAA -- once I explain what it is to them.

  • ΘJΘʃ de águila||

    Obama signed what???!!!

  • Blueman||

    Well played, sir.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    Is California's weather such a big incentive that people will stay no matter what? That businesses will stay no matter what?

    How much is moderate California weather worth in comparison to a Texas? Texas has great schools, low taxes, and a low cost of living. Yes, it can be hot and it can be humid.

    Is a Mediterranean climate worth it compared to what you get in another state?

  • John||

    A couple of things. First is inertia. If your whole family is there and you grew up there, it is hard to leave. Also, a lot of people have jobs and vested retirements they can't leave. Second is that it is more than the weather. Outside of the really fucked up fascist places like Berkley and San Fransisco, California really does have a wonderful relaxed, anything goes culture. And that is a very good thing. They working their hardest to destroy it. But a lot of it still exists.

  • Calidissident||

    Yeah, I'd say that what you said are the main reasons I'm planning on staying in California after I graduate. The government sucks, but my family's here, I grew up here, I enjoy the lifestyle, the weather's great, and I love me some California girls. Plus, I think I'll be fortunate enough to get a pretty good job after graduation

  • John||

    If they could only fix the government. California is paradise. It should be libertopia. It has all of this natural wealth, this free wheeling culture and no racial or religious baggage. It is just a fucking tragedy the progressives got their fangs into it.

  • Calidissident||

    You don't need to tell me John. I long for the day when people wake up. I don't think I would have any major complaints about my state if we fixed our shitty government

  • Jena||

    We're tied in for a couple of reasons still-- ill family members that we watch out for being chief among them. Also, this is my husband's primary market. But it is getting harder and harder to stay and watch this place fall apart. At least we live in a rural pocket of generally conservative bliss.

  • ziggy||

    How did the progressives take over california? I am sure latin american immigrants had a lot to do with it, their is no leftist policy they dont like, even though those are the policies that keep their countries in eternal poverty (I am speaking from experience here...)

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    They took over when their interesting ideas became just another form of government coercion. Recycling is mandatory. No plastic bags or you'll murder thousands of spotted owls.

    White MEN are oppressive pigs. Ya da ya da.

    You will get your solar panels and a Volt and we will make you like it.

  • johnl||

    If you are young get out while you can.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    Living in your patents basement, staring up at your faded Obama poster, wondering why all of the "good jobs" are in th South.

    Keep hope alive!

  • ΘJΘʃ de águila||

    Don't forget Alice, the parent's basement dwellers get to light up that joint that the Cali Progressive Politicians find evil and cause the Obama Admin to bust down the parent's front door to confiscate that bag o' weed.

    Shit, civil forfeiture could net the pigs a house, too.

  • Teaching Student||

    John your exactly right... I can't get my wife to even consider leaving California.... Her parents are here; so are mine. I'm gonna do what that lady back east, wherever, did and (attempt) to track all of the taxes we pay. Maybe that'd convince her. We're on such a tight budget this showing her how much goes to waste might convince her.

  • ||

    I told my wife that I am moving out of CA once the teenage kids are out of the house...and that she can join me if she likes.
    I hope to sell the house to a real hardcore democrat from a different state in order to keep the infection in CA.

  • Peabo||

    I got my wife to agree to leave. Both of our families are in california. It's been difficult for her, but I am happy as a clam to have gotten out of that place.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    Californians are really dumb. They deserve the government they voted in. Don't they understand they compete with other states?

  • Ken Shultz||

    52% of Californians won't vote for anybody but a Democrat because of all the stupid shit Republicans have said elsewhere in the country about things like immigration and gay marriage.

    48% of Californians vote rationally.

    Hell, 40% of California's voters voted for Romney.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    B+ C vote to increases taxes on D for the benefit of A.

    D says - "I'm tired of this crap". And moves.

    What then, B+C? Please tell us what happens without D?

  • Brian D||

    Find a new D, make it illegal for them to move

    Start anew

  • Jeff||

    Detroit happens.

  • Briggie||

    It is like that in my state as well (Maine). B+C taxes D, and now D is gone. Leaving A+B+C wondering why all the jobs are in New Hampshire. Then someone actually gets the bright idea to lower taxes, but someone mentions roadz, skoolz and teh childrenz. Leaving us in an infinite loop. Rinse and repeat.

  • Bill Dalasio||

    So, because someone else said something stupid, you're going to keep voting for the guy who actually legislated stupid. Tell me how this makes sense.

  • Teaching Student||

    It's California

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    Also known as Planet Stupid

  • Sevo||

    Ken Shultz| 11.9.12 @ 1:02PM |#
    "52% of Californians won't vote for anybody but a Democrat because of all the stupid shit Republicans have said elsewhere in the country about things like immigration and gay marriage."

    Not that rational. 52% of CA residents won't vote for anything other than a Dem because it's fashionable.

  • Killazontherun||

    This. Recriminations are for losers. If Shultz is everything he claims to be he would instinctively avoid them. But he behaves like a man with an axe to grind instead of one too busy to care.

  • califernian||

    Nevada is close by. it has its issues but at least there's no state income tax.

  • John||

    But outside of Las Vegas, Nevada is a wasteland. There is nothing there. Where you going to go? Reno? That place is worst than Pakistan,

  • Ken Shultz||

    Tahoe's nice.

    It gets nice up north.

    Haven't you ever watched Bonanza, Hos?

  • John||

    Tahoe is paradise. But it is like living in Aspen. There is no way to make a living and all of the real estate is owned by the incredibly rich. Living in Tahoe is not an option for anyone without a trust fund.

  • Gray Ghost||

    John's right; Reno's not much to look at. The surrounding suburbs are pleasant, but Reno itself was one of the more shabby American cities I've ever seen. I don't know whether it's the legalized gambling, and the gazillion pawn shops, check cashing places, and cheap liquor stores that seem to go with it like ticks, but it just looked really shabby and dirty. I hope you like sage and rocks, because that's all that seems to grow there. No idea about the schools.

    Judging by my CA relatives, many of whom have moved to the Reno area, Nevada will be emulating CA's policies shortly. They already have some of the most Draconian school zone speed limits known to mankind. I'm surprised they don't make you get out and push your car through them.

    Tahoe is gorgeous. And expensive. Never did make it up to Virginia City, but I imagine the pines are pretty too.

  • fish||

    Speaking as a former resident....and someone with a genuine fondness for the place it is starting to look pretty shabby!

  • Ken Shultz||

    Nevada has some strict driving rules everywhere because there are so many drunk drivers.

    The casinos give everybody drinks for "free" (so long as they're playing), and locals all take advantage of that, too.

    So the drinking and driving is just atrocious. It's just a huge percentage of the people on the road at any given time are drunk.

    So, yeah, draconian rules around schools--please don't hit the kids you vile drunks! I think that's what's going on.

  • Dr. Frankenstein||

    Yes but the police force in Reno is awesome.

  • John||

    +100

  • gigarath6||

    ^this^

  • AdamJ||

    Come to Austin. We need more people to vote against the bond measures that pass every election!

    I know, not a great sell, but we have no state income tax, and relatively low sales/property/gas tax. See you soon!

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    Listen, staying in California and paying your taxes means either you are a masochist and love pain or you believe in over-paying for crappy service.

    Who needs it? The only bright spot for California? It's not Illinois.

  • Gray Ghost||

    For Chrissake, aren't there enough former Californians in Austin already?! You might as well start calling it Palo Alto East (as opposed to East Palo Alto...)

    Austin does serve as a nice decompression chamber for acclimating Californians to Texas, in more ways than one.

  • AdamJ||

    Sshhhh, I'm trying to raise my property value. Don't ruin this for me!

  • AdamJ||

    But seriously, libertarians only welcome. We've for enough democrats in Austin already and god knows enough legitimate rape republicans in the rest of TX.

  • John||

    If I were living in Austin, the last thing I would want is more Californians moving in.

  • AdamJ||

    Somewhat true, but if its the wealth creating types who bring creativity and business, that means more economic activity and better business for me. Maybe I'll finally get a Pinkberry in my neighborhood.

    But seriously, libertarians only.

  • ziggy||

    The funny thing with liberals is they also run away from the mess they created and start it all over again in some other state. I fear that may happen in Texas.

    Dallas could also need an influx of libertarian or non religious republicans.

  • Redmanfms||

    "The funny thing with liberals is they also run away from the mess they created and start it all over again in some other state. I fear that may happen in Texas."

    It's happened in Virginia and North Carolina with carpetbaggers from the NE hell pit and it is already happening to Colorado, Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona with the rats fleeing the sinking ship of California.

    Leftists are movement without reason, perpetual "forward" movement without any introspection or reflection on history at all. They blame their failures on the other side. Being a liberal means never being responsible for ones actions, and as a result, liberals never ever learn. Thus, they repeat the same pattern time and time again.

    In the not too terribly distant past Vermont and New Hampshire were the only remaining bastions of sanity in the Northeast. Massholes and New Yorkers fleeing the cess pits of their own making destroyed those states, and now they are moving South.

  • Emmerson Biggins||

    I'm trying to lower mine. I don't plan on selling any time soon, but I want to keep taxes as low as I can. Maybe I can get an old El Camino with no tires and old broken fridge and put em in my front yard.

  • Bill Dalasio||

    The problem, of course, is do you really think even the refugees from California are going to pass up that sweet sweet spending?

  • Brian D||

    Republicans need to better articulate an alternative vision that is more consistent and libertarian, and that can reach beyond conservative bastions move the hell out of California and watch it burn.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    I don't know if there is a Big G, but here's an AMEN

  • Killazontherun||

    Kind of OT, but White Hispanics seem to be on everyone's minds lately, and go with every thread some how.

    Spy Kids girl a decade later --

    http://cdn.wwtdd.com/wp-conten....._408lo.jpg

  • fish||

    I'll need to sit though a comparison screening?

    What's the .jpg from?

  • CE||

    This is getting really scary. When I moved here from a low tax state, the gains in income and career advancement more than made up for the larger tax bite. But now that career and income progress is just making me a big fat target for those bloodsuckers. Time to think about retiring early, and heading East again.

  • dsc9wfree||

    I have been here 10 years, and am planning to leave for a lower tax state. I love the weather and lifestyle, but the taxes and regulations have gotten completely out of control. Maybe if enough of us "evil 1%'ers" leave, the idiots in Sacramento will learn...or, maybe not, as their corrupt cronies in DC will probably just bail them out!!!

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    If I were a bettin' gal, I say they still blame George Bush.

  • XM||

    ".....the results of which will soon be felt."

    Oh, but it won't be felt anytime soon. Not across the board, not in the most painful way imaginable.

    If Unemployment hit 17% and 4 cities declared bankruptcy in CA tomorrow, every beach, OC glitzy mall and trendy coffee shops will be packed on the weekends. The dem friendly ethnic neighborhoods will continue to be very ethnic or very poor, because they ain't gonna move to, um, Idaho or somewhere there aren't 2 million people speaking your language. The UCs (adored by Asians) and the gated communities that voted for tax hikes, why, they ain't going nowhere.

    What may wake up CA is not what happened in Greece, but the IMF crisis that hit South Korea in the 90's, where the entire economy suffered when a handful of conglomerates fell on their butts. In other words, unless something TRAGIC happens to the CA's tech, entertainment, and tourist industry and the government REALLY runs out of money, the show will continue.

    I hope Apple would go away. They make tons of money making adult Tamagochis and they pick fights with South Korean companies. You have Obama behind you in your little bullying antics, don't you, you freaks.

  • Sevo||

    "I hope Apple would go away. They make tons of money making adult Tamagochis and they pick fights with South Korean companies. You have Obama behind you in your little bullying antics, don't you, you freaks."

    Apple has managed to game tax law such that it pays little in CA and the USA. If that were to change, Apple might well 'go away' to somewhere with decent tax laws.

  • Ted123||

    No, they don't learn. They find someone else to blame their failed polices on.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    My liberal co-worker actually doesn't think this impacts her because she and her husband make less than $250k.

    So she traded in her BMW and bought a Prius.

    She's worse than a liberal idiot - she is "progressive" on big govt spending but extremely conservative on social issues.

    Like I said - Planet Stupid!

  • XM||

    It seems to me lots of minorities in CA are reverse libertarians.

    The Latino workers I used to work with drove trucks with "La Nueva Vida" (which is some sort of Spanish language Christian station, I think) bumper stickers and hung crucifixes and pictures of the Virgin Mary on the rear view mirror. Very friendly people, VERY pro life, strong social conservatives. Bam, they vote dems and for Obama.

    At any Korean churches the members are 100% opposed to the gay marriage and are just about STUNNED by the notion that drugs should be legalized. They do a fair amount of grumbling about taxes too. But in the end, you know who they'll vote for.

    They'll pay the price if CA goes down in flames, not these Obama loving Laguna Beach white crowd. Speaking of CA beaches, most of them stink. Especially Huntington Beach, why do people love that place.

  • Alice P. Keaton||

    Let's get the deep pockets money bag, the fat lady herself, Ms. Winfrey, to pay for all of us.

  • 16th amendment||

    What about the local measures? In San Mateo county, prop A passed -- so sales taxes will increase by 0.5%. In Half Moon Bay, voters approved a measure to increase sales taxes by 0.25%.

    The CA state constitution prohibits cities from enacting an income tax. Wonder if that will change now.

    I'm sure Steyer, who practically funded prop 39 Meg Whitman style, will be happy to pay the SF income tax.

  • 16th amendment||

    BEGIN QUOTE

    Alice P. Keaton| 11.9.12 @ 5:59PM

    Boehner should just calmly hand the gavel to Pelosi and walk out with "you want it, you got it." In fact, that's what all the GOP should do.

    ...

    Let progressives destroy themselves.

    END QUOTE

    This is not a good idea. You see, once the country becomes destabilized with big government policies, two things happen:

    (1) People desire more big government to save them. I think this is one explanation of why in a recent poll black people said they think the country is moving in the right direction. Unemployment is high, and you'd expect the opposite, but being in a bad situation makes you crave big government more. So if the republicans just give up, rather than the country realize it's misguided flirtation with big government, it will seek more big government. This will be hard to recover from.

    (2) The worst will rise to the top. This is from from Hayek's book (chapter 10). The destabilized condition of the economy -- things such as more poverty, rationing, etc -- will lead to a dictator who will promise to set things right. This is what happened in Germany after world war I. While dictators may bring stability, they kill a lot, and make the country worse, and destroy liberty.

  • Sevo||

    16th amendment| 11.9.12 @ 9:07PM |#
    "BEGIN QUOTE [...] END QUOTE
    This is not a good idea. You see, once the country becomes destabilized with big government policies, two things happen:
    (1) People desire more big government to save them. I think this is one explanation of why in a recent poll black people said they think the country is moving in the right direction."

    What is the alternative?
    NY and NJ illegally fixed the price of gasoline after a storm. Naturally, that kept gasoline in storage in many places that weren't NY and NJ; who's going to pay to move gas if you can't recover the costs?
    So now, NY and NJ are rationing gas, since all that gas stayed where it was rather than moving to where the price was higher.
    Given that sort of stupidity, what should Boehner do? Try to talk sense to folks who think that was assistance from the government?

  • 16th amendment||

    Yeah so price fixing (more government) leads to shortages, which leads to rationing (more government). Who knows; maybe they'll blame corporate big wigs for being greedy and throw some of them in jail (more government).

  • Richard Rider||

    Breaking Bad: California vs. the Other States
    by Richard Rider, Chairman, San Diego Tax Fighters
    Version 1.835 Revised: 9 November, 2012
    Updated version online at: w.RiderRants.blogspot.com/
    Email: RRider@san.rr.com Phone: 858-530-3027 Facebook blog page: Richard.Rider

    Here’s a depressing but documented comparison of California taxes and economic climate with the rest of the states. The news is breaking bad, and getting worse (at least twice a month, I update crucial data on this fact sheet):

    Prior to Prop 30 passing, CA already had the 2nd worst state income tax rate in the nation. Currently our 9.3% tax bracket starts at $48,029 for people filing as individuals. Now our “millionaires’ tax” rate is 13.3% – including capital gains. Increased taxes now start at $250K. CA now has by far the nation’s highest state income tax rate. We are 21% higher than the 2nd highest state (Hawaii), 34% higher than the 3rd highest state (Oregon), and a heck of a lot higher than all the rest – including 7 states with zero state income tax. CA is so bad, we also have the 2nd highest state income tax bracket. AND the 3rd. Plus the 5th and 7th. http://taxfoundation.org/sites.....ff2012.pdf Tables #11 & 13 and
    http://www.twitpic.com/9g2pka/full

  • Richard Rider||

    CA has the highest state sales tax rate in the nation. 7.25% (does not include local sales taxes). 7.5% starting next year.
    http://taxfoundation.org/artic.....ary-1-2012

    CA corporate income tax rate (8.84%) is the highest west of the Mississippi (our economic competitors) except for Alaska.
    http://taxfoundation.org/artic.....mate-index Table #1 – we are 6th highest nationwide.

  • 16th amendment||

    Don't forget the $800 minimum tax on corporations and LLC's. Even small ones, like a home business that makes 3k a year, needs to pay this tax. The conservative minded Schwarzenegger was able to waive the tax for the first year of operation of S corps (and maybe C corps). Shows you how to the left we are: a plan to waive this idiotic tax would not pass except for the first year of operation.

  • Richard Rider||

    Right you are!

    This onerous $800 CA tax includes NONPROFITS if they are not 501c charitable groups. And for corporations that LOST money as well.

    Next highest state is Oregon at $150. A few others under $100, with most at zero. http://tinyurl.com/CA-800-tax

    It's all included in my dreary CA fact sheet comparison with the other states.
    http://riderrants.blogspot.com.....11812.html

  • Richard Rider||

    CA has the 2nd highest gas tax in the nation at 68.9 cents/gallon (October, 2012). National average is 49.3 cents.
    http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/ (also CA has the nation’s 2nd highest diesel tax – 77.1 cents/gallon. National average 54.5 cents)

  • Richard Rider||

    California in 2009 ranked 15th highest in per capita property taxes (including commercial) – the only major tax where we are not in the worst ten states. But CA property taxes per owner-occupied home were the 10th highest in the nation in 2009.
    http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/251.html and http://www.taxfoundation.org/t...../1913.html (2009 latest year available)

  • Sevo||

    Richard Rider| 11.9.12 @ 9:18PM |#
    "California in 2009 ranked 15th highest in per capita property taxes (including commercial) – the only major tax where we are not in the worst ten states"

    True enough, but it ignores the 'value' of property inflated by CA zoning regulations. Control for that, and you've likely got a 'top five finish' again!

  • Richard Rider||

    CA has now instituted the highest “cap and trade” tax in the nation – indeed, the ONLY such U.S. tax. One study estimates the annual cost at $3,857 per household by 2020. Even proponents concede that it will have zero impact on global warming. http://tinyurl.com/WSJ-CA-cap-and-trade

    New Tax Foundation study ranks CA as the 4th worst taxed state. But if counting ONLY in-state and local taxes, we are arguably the 2nd highest. http://riderrants.blogspot.com.....dents.html

  • Richard Rider||

    CA has the 3rd highest state unemployment rate. (September, 2012) – 10.2%. National unemployment rate 7.8%. National unemployment rate not including CA is only 7.5%, making the CA unemployment rate 36.5% higher than the average of the other 49 states. http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
    Using the more accurate U-6 measure of unemployment (includes involuntary part-time workers), CA is the 2nd worst at 20.3% vs. national 15.3%. National U-6 not including CA is 14.6%, making CA’s U-6 38.9% higher than the other 49 states. http://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm

  • Richard Rider||

    CA needlessly licenses more occupations than any state – 177. Second worst state is Connecticut at 155. The average for the states is 92. http://cssrc.us/publications.aspx?id=7707

    California’s 2013 “business tax climate” still ranks 3rd worst in the nation – behind New Jersey and New York state.
    http://taxfoundation.org/artic.....mate-index

  • ΘJΘʃ de águila||

    Can I open an eyebrow-braiding shop?

    FUCK NO! you are NOT licensed!

  • Richard Rider||

    You want more of this? I've GOT more of this!!

    Go to my blog. The latest version of this fact sheet (with many more depressing facoids) can be found here:
    http://riderrants.blogspot.com.....11812.html

  • Richard Rider||

    Here's one unintended consequence that will impart hard a fanatical section of our populace -- pro sports team fan(atics).

    Good luck to CA pro teams talking highly paid free agents into relocating to 13.3% income tax Taxifnornia. Florida and Texas teams will outbid us, based on NET pay. The quality of our pro teams should deteriorate.

    Ask Tiger Woods about this. At "only" 10.3%, when he started making good money, he left his CA home and moved to hot, humid, muggy redneck Florida. So did the Williams sisters -- the tennis greats. Imagine pro athletes facing not 10.3%, but 13.3%. Not going to go well.

  • 16th amendment||

    Rush Limbaugh went from NY to FL if I'm not mistaken.

  • Richard Rider||

    Correct. And, unlike most luminaries, Rush rightly pointed out exactly WHY he moved to Florida.

    When you rub the nose of a state's tax department in the ground like that, you damn sure better do it right. Limbaugh keeps scrupulous records of where he is -- and where he is NOT (New York).

    So did the owner of the Buffolo Sabres hockey team. He went public about declaring his existing Florida residence his new tax home.

    Saved $14,000. A day!

    Gutsy guy.

  • ArbutusJoe||

    If only the state of California could print money, Krugman have his socio-economic laboratory.

  • Richard Rider||

    California is now ranked as the 2nd worst state to retire in. Only basket-case Illinois is worse. We “beat” NY, RI and NJ.
    http://www.topretirements.com/.....list.html/

    BOTTOM LINE: Consider California’s net domestic migration (migration between states). From 2000 through 2009, California lost a NET 1.5 million people. Net departures slowed in 2008 only because people couldn’t sell their homes. But more people still leave each year -- in 2011 we lost 66,000 net people to domestic out-migration. Again, note that this is NET loss.
    http://www.newgeography.com/co.....ance-south

    These are not welfare kings and queens departing. They are the young, the educated, the productive, the ambitious, the wealthy (such as Tiger Woods) – and retirees seeking to make their pensions provide more bang for the buck.

    Too often these departing seniors are retired state and local government employees fleeing the state that provides them with their opulent pensions – in order to avoid the high taxes that these same employees pushed so hard through their unions. And once they move out of California, our state can no longer tax their California-paid pensions.

  • 16th amendment||

    All the high tech billionaires and Hollywood types love paying taxes. So until these people start to leave nothing will change.

  • PusaAtDaga||

    Many of the Hollywood types profess to love paying taxes. They maintain a primary residence outside California to avoid them though.

  • Redmanfms||

    They claim to want to "pay their fair share" (notably not without government putting a gun to their collective heads), but they have tax attorneys, financial advisers, and accountants to worm their way through the deductions and exemptions. These people are incapable of understanding that the people on the margins of brackets don't have a tax cheat staff and immune to the idea that progressive taxation actually destroys social mobility.

    A friend of mine is a progressive millionaire who lives in CA, he gets money back every year. His gross tax burden usually ends up being a few thousand dollars and he gets a Hell of a lot of that back. I'd be shocked if contributed more than a couple hundred bucks to the state and federal coffers.

  • jeffshumphreys@gmail.com||

    I think the taxes target the small business owner with employees, and middle-class income people. Millionaires end up being spokespersons for the Democrat agenda. It's important they stay happy. The middle is the true enemy of the rich and poor, at least in class warfare.

  • Richard Rider||

    I suspect that there is considerable Hollywood hypocrisy in play here. Most movie stars and moguls today do their work in OTHER states. Few "work" in CA anymore.

    By quietly (and privately) making one of their other homes in a lower tax state (and ALL states have lower income taxes!) their tax residence, these liberals can stop paying most if not all the CA income tax, even while living in CA up to six months a year.

    With this new 30% tax increase, expect this trend to grow.

    There is no way to research this, as their tax records are private.

  • Gladstone||

    Obviously this rejection of the GOP means that Californians are libertarians.

  • American||

    Gee, wonder what causes California's "Deadly Embrace of Big Government." Might mass third world immigration have anything to do with it? Here's a question for you people, why is latin America latin America and North America North America?

  • Moogle||

    The world is fucked. Utterly. The concept of individuality is dead. There's no more frontier. There's no Galt's Gultch. There just a gaping maw of the alpha sociopath power structure and the billions of shit filled skulls who worship at their altars. Religion, ideology,... Sides of the same coin. I thought I could hang on and retire to the mountains here in California, but soon there won't be a productive person left. Humanity is just fucking broken in the head. Most people live lives debilitated by realities in their heads that are composed of lies, myth and fantasy.

  • pradaguccioutlet@gmail.co||

    Good luck to CA pro teams talking highly paid free agents into relocating to 13.3% income tax Taxifnornia. Florida and Texas teams will outbid us, based on NET pay. The quality of our pro teams should deteriorate.Voters also approved Prop. 39. “Democrats received a second tax boost Tuesday when Proposition 39 passed, raising $1 billion annually for clean energy programs and the state budget by increasing cheap nfl jerseys taxes on multistate companies based elsewhere,” reported the Bee.

    Consider that a harbinger of things to come. Many of the state’s businesses backed 39, figuring that it’s better to stick it to out-of-state companies than have the state government come after them. But as in all advanced welfare states, it’s only a matter of time before the taxers and cheap MLB jerseys regulators start coming for them.

  • pradaguccioutlet@gmail.co||

    The big news: It looks like voters have handed two-thirds majorities to Democrats in the state Senate and Assembly. The Senate is a sure thing and final counting will likely yield supermajority control of the Assembly, thanks in part to Fullerton voters’ apparent ousting of Chris Norby.

    Currently, the only thing standing between California residents and endless sea of increases in sales taxes, income taxes, gasoline taxes, and business taxes has been the constitutional requirement that cheap nfl jerseys tax increases gain a two-thirds vote.

    Republicans in California don’t stand for much, but they have mostly stood together in their opposition to tax increases. Likewise, Democrats—including the handful of “moderates”—have been unified in their promotion of higher taxes as the answer to California’s problems. Now the Democrats will have their way early and often.

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