Get the Government Out of Our Pants

Has the Transportation Security Administration finally gone too far?

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The good news is that last year, the House of Representatives voted to bar the use of whole-body scanners for routine screening. But only a sustained public outcry will force a change.

We will soon find out if there is a limit to the sacrifices of personal freedom that Americans will endure in the name of fighting terrorism. If we don't say no when they want to inspect and handle our private parts, when will we?

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  • Chad||

    Baah, if your that much of a prude that you worry about some person who will never see you looking at a cartoon image of your body, along with thousands of others each day, you can just drive.

    Grow up and get over it.

  • Chad, simplified||

    Yay government!

  • Chad||

    Yummy spooge

  • Yup||

    Yeah, you tell them! I bet you like red light cameras also because if you are not committing a crime, why worry?

  • Fiscal Meth||

    He does.

  • Chad||

    You bet I love them. Taxes on stupid jackholes are the best of both worlds.

  • Fiscal Meth||

    I love how predictable you are. You're happy about anything that puts individuals in handcuffs.

  • Chad||

    Actually, libertarians are far more predictable politically than I am. Your close-minded logical loop allows dissent on only a few issues.

  • Chad||

    Whereas we liberals are open-minded on everything, except for:

    Global warming
    Trans-fats
    Indoor smoking
    Outdoor smoking
    The true limits of government
    The Tenth Amendment
    Enumerated powers
    The meaning of "promote the general welfare"
    High-fructose corn syrup
    Fossil fuels
    Gay marriage

    ...and anything else that we can think of, when we decide them.

  • ||

    Asshole

  • Chad||

    While we're at it, double my taxes.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    You don't need the government to do that, you know--they'll take checks and money orders.

  • Chad||

    As I have mentioned many times, I deliberately over-pay my taxes.

  • Chad||

    ...because I'm a self-hating douchebag who doesn't deserve what I have left over after I over-pay my taxes.

  • Pedophile TSA Agent||

    "As I have mentioned many times, I deliberately over-pay my taxes."

    I think hookers call that a donation...

  • .||

    Baah, if your...

    Hmm. Baah Isn't that the sound sheep make?

  • Jeffersonian||

    But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. Chad loved Big Brother.

  • Winston Smith||

    ++1

  • ||

    +2

  • ||

    double plus good

  • GMT II||

    Chad is just upset becasue TSA would not let him to through the hand search for the 69th time. Geez, the guy was about to miss his flight.

  • Chad||

    As long as Big Brother is a Democrat, I'm fine with it. Liberty is for losers, anyway.

  • Edwin||

    I agree.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Apparently a Republican will have to become President in 2013 for leftists like Chad to start worrying about their Constitutional rights again.

    I noticed that he pulled out the "prude" card, which seems to be a secondary meme of the left on this issue.

  • andrew||

    as a reluctant member of the left, i should state with solidarity that i went through one of these things at the rochester airport a few weeks ago and was pretty pissed. they make you stand with your arms up over your shoulders. it's really humiliating.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Standard snarky comeback: "Well, at least they didn't make you bend over!!"

    I'm continously amazed as to what Americans will put up with if the government is carrying out the deed, but maybe this will be something to wake people up as to the compromises we are making in the name of feeling "safer."

    Sometimes a slippery slope isn't a fallacy.

  • MrGuy||

    Wrong use of the word meme. However, if you are really that self conscious about your body, maybe you are in fact a prude. Why do you care that a stranger who you'll probably never see again looks at a grainy x-ray of your body? Doctors see you naked all the time but nobody's complaining about them...

  • Realist||

    Chad likes losers rubbing his pudge!

  • Tom||

    Guys, this is a Chad spoof. Even he's not this inane.

    By the way, it's "you're".

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    It might be a spoof, but it's pretty consistent with defenses of this procedure that I've seen from various lefty commenters on other websites.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Hard to tell Spoof Chad from Real Chad.

  • Jeff||

    Enjoy the cancer Chad.

  • Chad||

    The extra radiation you get merely by flying (in the upper atmosphere) is far worse than the radiation from a full-body scanner.

  • Chad||

    We could, of course, solve all our problems by not flying, not driving cars, and committing mass suicide.

  • ||

    it is *not* a cartoon image of your body - it is a full frontal nude photo.
    Your use of the term "cartoon" is just an attempt to minimize the gross invasion of privacy.

  • Amakudari||

    So, seriously, someone explain to me carefully how the left a) managed to suddenly choke down the government cock on enormously invasive civil liberties violations that provide only a hypothetical smidgen of safety once their guy got into office, and b) still has any credibility left. Because it all looks something like this.

    I thought Team Blue dipshits wanted Bush impeached for civil liberties abuses, but once it's Obama's turn and the same lackeys want nude photos of airport passengers suspected of no crime, then it's just a matter of pragmatism.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    The fierce moral urgency of change is on hold until 2013, when a Republican president takes office.

  • Pedophile TSA Agent||

    Can your daughter be first in line for my "enhanced" pat down?

  • TheOtherSomeGuy||

    The worst part is that they have adapted this technology by combining it with the Google Earth vans. They can drive down the highway and look through and into your home w/o a warrant.

  • Yup||

    That must be the real reason we had to get rid of the lead paint in our homes. ;)

  • Realist||

    +5

  • JimBob||

    Uh-- except that doing so WOULD require a warrant under current caselaw.

    Kyllo v. United States was decided in 2001, and SCOTUS held that if the police (or DEA or what have you) are using a technology which allows them to see things in your home that they would normally need a warrant to see-- such as growth lamps-- then they need a warrant to use the technology.

    So backscatter + vans + searches == fourth amendment violation == invocation of the exclusionary rule == case tossed out.

  • Chlorophyllite||

    Kyllo was decided months before 911. Currently terrorism is an exigent circumstance.

  • Jeff||

    No, it isn't.

  • Andy Quote||

    Oh.

  • TheOtherSomeGuy||

    Once they see something, it won't take any time at all to find some other "reasonable cause" to search your home. With the plethora of laws on the books these days, everyone is always guilty of violating some law or another.

  • Terrorist||

    She blinded me with snark.

  • DADIODADDY||

    better than being blinded by spooge

  • Chlorophyllite||

    In the context of the 4th amndment, the question is one of reasonableness. Is the digital exam more reasonable than the speculum? Does the 25cm rectoscope further the government's interest in security substantially more than the 10cm anoscope or the 13cm proctoscope? These are the questions the TSA is avoiding.

  • ||

    its not the length I am so much worried about...its the diameter.

  • Old Man With Candy||

    When the agent does the enhanced pat down, yell at the top of your lungs, "Get your hands off my cock, you fucking pervert!" Hijinx will ensue.

    Or demand a screener of the opposite sex. That could be fun.

  • Kristen||

    My plan is to murmur "ooh baby...oh yeah, that's the spot. Gimmie more"

  • DADIODADDY||

    No good will come of this, I forsee much running about to and fro on the earth and much hubbub.

  • Billy Shakespeare||

    All hubbub (whether "much" or "not much") has been banned under the USA PATRIOT Act.

  • Fiscal Meth||

    I want to see what happens if I opt for the pat down with a raging hard on. Just to see how far their resolve goes. If they actually manually adjust my erect penis to gain access to my balls to feel under them(if I could nut at will, I would do so at this point) for a bomb, they will have gained my respect and I will submit to all their screening methods from that point on.

    More likely they will find a way to arrest me for it.

  • Three Dog||

    Easy to be hard!

  • ||

    I will say "touch me again, I haven't been touched like that in ages"

  • ||

    Turn your head and cough every time they touch. Then give a polite, thank you, and ask if everything OK down there.

  • Fletch||

    Start singing "Moon River."

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Eat nothing but beenie-weenies straight from the can for a full 24 hours before, and do your best to rip the nastiest fart you can.

  • Kay But||

    That's great for volume, but you need to mix in some flavors. I recommend Diet Coke or Budweiser.

  • Inquiring Minds||

    I'm afraid that has happened already, several times (see the links above in the 'morning links' section). All it gets you is a threat of a $10,000 dollar fine and an escort out of the airport.
    This is simply government-enforced sexual assault, but it's totally legal and there's nothing we can do about it. Do you know any politician who's willing to be soft on terrorism?

  • Realist||

    "This is simply government-enforced sexual assault, but it's totally legal and there's nothing we can do about it." Bullshit don't fly!

  • Fiscal Meth||

    "Bullshit don't fly"

    I don't believe this is an established figure of speech. I don't think it will catch on either because it sounds too much like "money talks bullshit walks". But you're welcome to try of course. And if anyone gives you shit, you should just tell em "BULSHIT DON'T FLY BITCH!!"

  • Realist||

    You are right should have been Bullshit! Don't fly.

  • Fiscal Meth||

    That bullshit don't fly around here Realist.

  • Slut Bunwalla||

    +10

  • Slut Bunwalla||

    +10 was for Fiscal Meth, not Realist.

  • Realist||

    Or fruit flies like a banana, time flies like an arrow.

  • Fiscal Meth||

    Didn't some physicist say that a long time ago?

  • Realist||

    Could be, but they probably got it right!

  • Realist||

    Screwed that up too. Should be ..., times flys like an arrow.

  • Realist||

    ....time flys...

  • smartass sob||

    That's because bananas taste better and because time flies have no taste at all. ;-)

  • sevo||

    Dunno about that banana. Once you peel one and throw away the bone, there isn't a whole lot left to eat.

  • Barney The Frank||

    I like a banana with a bone.

  • ||

    What if you take a Viagra or have some hot fantasy so that you have a major woody when they search? Can they fine you for that?

  • Maybe||

    Isn't it illegal in a lot of jurisdictions to have an erection in public?

  • ||

    THEY will charge >YOU< with sexual assault, cuff you n take you away....

    Big Bro makes da regulations, ya know...

  • Carl||

    nah all women who work for TSA are big mommas. Now if they were the women who work security at Buenos Aires International (for those who have been you know) then please ill take the pat down and it may require 2 more LOL

  • Fiscal Meth||

    I've been, I know.
    Pat down please.

  • Bruce Majors||

    Why not just pretend to have an orgasm?

    I was at a libertarian summer camp once where we were watching bad TV (pre-cable) in the San Bernadino mountains. A badly bewigged faith healer named Ernest Angley was smacking people in the ears who claimed to be deaf, or in the eyes who claimed to be blind, etc. And I said I'd like to see someone go on and claim to be frigid.

    But it is no longer a joke is it.

  • ||

    There are libertarian summer camps?

  • Bruce Majors||

    There were back before your mom and dad met. Students for a Libertarian Society, a 70s-80s group now replaced by Students for Liberty.

  • Barney The Frank||

    I go to the airport just to go through security.

  • Larry Craig||

    Me too. Especially the one in Minneapolis-St. Paul.

  • ||

    "or demand a GOOD LOOKING screener of the oppostie sex"
    Heaven forbid I have a 300 pound Moms Mabley fondling my tally whacker, jingles bells, and declivity of mystery.

  • Bruce Majors||

    One bright spot: Tracy Ullman will be able to update her Shaquina character.

  • Bruce Majors||

    One bright spot: Tracy Ullman will be able to update her Shaquina character.

  • Jeff||

    Or claim you're transgender and that you want a "same" sex scanner...

  • ||

    This is actually a genius idea. Everyone should cross-dress on their next flight and make them have to figure it out.

  • ||

    Would I have to shave my beard?

  • Bruce Majors||

    Which one?

  • Thomas O.||

    I went through one of those at Boston Logan recently, and I didn't feel violated. I suspect more people would be comfortable with full-body scanners if they knew the scanner operators had the professional demeanor of doctors. But I can understand the concerns of people worried that someone might get off on the images, or distribute them publicly.... Murphy's Law and all that.

  • guy in the back row||

    The TSA I deal with have the professional demeanor of gas station attendants.

  • Steff||

    Or worse. Jumped up bunch of little rats, they are.

  • Mo||

    That's an insult to gas station attendants.

  • John Smith||

    That's an insult to rats.

  • ||

    Full-serve or self-serve?

  • Carl||

    TSA, CBP, USBP = the most professional govt employees I have ever came across and the more these agencies go on hiring frenzies and lower the entrance requirements the more professional they become.

  • Gas Station Attendant||

    Hey!

  • Yup||

    . I suspect more people would be comfortable with full-body scanners if they knew the scanner operators had the professional demeanor of doctors.
    Doctors of a government run health care system.

  • West Texas||

    I went through one on Boston, too, back in May, and it wasn't terrible, although I tried not to think of the Walmart dropout sitting in the back admiring my gut and my dick.

    That said, it seems like a waste of money to buy these motherfuckers in quantities large enough to stick them in every airport at every checkpoint and herd every passenger through. Why not buy just buy one per airport and then use reasonable suspicion to use them for your vaunted "secondary" checks of people who are higher risk? Why does every passenger have to go through?

  • Janet Napolitano||

    Why does every passenger have to go through?

    RACIST!

  • JD||

    Why not buy just buy one per airport and then use reasonable suspicion to use them for your vaunted "secondary" checks of people who are higher risk?

    Requires thinking, a quality discouraged in government employees.

  • ||

    Ahhh, then you have been to the VA medical system.

  • 0x90||

    "the scanner operators had the professional demeanor of doctors."

    They have doctors at your DMV?

    Seriously though, it's not about the intrusion, it's about the ridiculousness -- it's myopic. Why am I not also x-rayed before I board a city bus? Or enter a shopping mall? Or go to church? Because I could do alot more damage somewhere else, and when damage is done, that's exactly where it will occur -- somewhere else. And all this will be for virtually nothing.

    9/11 was ground-shaking because it was unexpected; you tend to forget that before that, the idea of why a plane would be hijacked was totally different. Do we think that the enemy is so brain-dead as to be completely fixated on airliner-based attack? It's pure stupidity.

    And that's the thing; the real problem is: all of this extreme 'security' is just stupid. It is NOT security, it is al queda WINNING, and people know that, or at least sense it. It's not that they fear a digital peep show; it's that it's demeaning. And while being demeaned is not per se unendurable, doing so for no purpose other than demonstrating how scared you are IS.

    At least that's how it is for some people; others are apparently much more easily cowed.

  • Rich||

    Well said.

  • West Texas||

    At least they're not screening airport parking garages and lobbies. THAT was just plain dumb and was myopia based on myopia.

    (and yeah, I know about the El Al desk attach at LAX... I am unconvinced that this required sheriff's deputies to search my car as I arrived at the parking garage in Houston to fly to Dallas)

  • DADIODADDY||

    hey, who wouldn"t like to plant a big one in Houston or Dallas for that matter...

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Bullshit. It's about the fucking intrusion.

  • Bruce Majors||

    Anecdotally there are already stories of unprofessional comments directed at people who complain about how invasive the procedures are.

    I don't believe a doctor with a patient anxious about proctological or gynecological exams would be allowed to reply to expressions of fear by licking their lips and saying "I love my job."

  • Fiscal Meth||

    Their hero is Kevin Bacon in "Sleepers"

  • ABC||

    Good to know the TSA is hiring commentators

  • Jeff||

    "if they knew the scanner operators had the professional demeanor of doctors. "

    Yeah, without the medical training or desire to help me in any physical way. Also, they are exposing you to radiation that more doctors are saying can cause cancer and birth defects. But other than that, definently like a doctor.

    "But I can understand the concerns of people worried that someone might get off on the images, or distribute them publicly."

    If by "someone" you mean the "government" and by "understand" you mean "has requested that all such machines have the ability to store, print, and e-mail images even though they publicly say they can't do any of it. Oh yeah, and the government's already been busted storing and e-mailing these things around in the past," then yes.

  • Rrabbit||

    I would feel better if the law mandated statutory damages of $100,000 for each incident where images were stored in any way, to be paid by the TSA employee or contractor to the passenger.

  • Mzilikazi||

    If waterboarding is a mere inconvenience and Abu Ghraib was nothing more serious than a fraternity prank, surely this will be defended as no worse than a doctor's exam, which millions of Americans willingly endure every day. Certainly a decade of experience has taught us that humanity and dignity and due process are irrelevant when it comes to a terror threat.

    It's kind of like how people want police and prisons to be as brutal as possible when it comes to rounding up all those dangerous people out there, but as soon as the cops start busting down doors and harassing innocent people in the suburbs, everyone wonders, "How could this possibly happen to a law-abiding middle class guy like me?"

  • ||

    All a product of the mind set that treats strangers as 'them'. Works well in tribal societies...I guess.

  • .||

    I've got a mindset that treats everyone as "them" - not just strangers.

  • ||

    Your friends must love you for that ;)

  • Bruce Majors||

    Airports aren't battlefields. Passengers aren't suspected terrorists.

    We have a state monopoly providing security. It will do it just as abusively and incompetently as state schools provide education.

    The problem will not be solved until TSA and all government (municipal) airports are privatized.

  • ||

    ""Airports aren't battlefields. Passengers aren't suspected terrorists.""

    Some passengers are terrorist.

    ""The problem will not be solved until TSA and all government (municipal) airports are privatized.""

    Nope. It doesn't matter if they are privatized, they will have to do the bidding of the feds. The perception is that airline travel is a matter of national defense. Agree or disagree, but that's the way our elected officials, and much of America view it. Since national defense is a proper role of government, any private air security will be heavily regulated and procedures written by the feds.

  • Mzilikazi||

    There have been some pretty awful abuses committed by private military contractors in Iraq, and rape/gang activity/illegal drugs/etc. still happen in privatized prisons.

    I don't think that people are really concerned about who signs the paychecks when faced with the option of "imaged naked or fondled". Hell, pretty much *everything* on the private side of the airline industry has become horrible in the past 20 years. The government has nothing to do with crappy seats, oversold flights, lost luggage, luggage fees, having to pay to use a blanket or pillow, etc.

  • cynical||

    "There have been some pretty awful abuses committed by private military contractors in Iraq, and rape/gang activity/illegal drugs/etc. still happen in privatized prisons."

    True, but the free market works -- all of those prisons went of business after their customers decided to stop going. Oh, wait, no. PMC and prisons are still government operations, "private" just means that there are investors making money from them in addition to the rank-and-file employees.

    People can, however, refuse to fly. If it's due to the TSA, the airlines will just guilt trip the government into giving them subsidies, but if they control the screeners, they'll make the policies as unintrusive as possible while minimizing the risk of being held responsible for a terrorist attack.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    They sure wouldn't have customers walk through a device that takes naked pictures and hits them with a dose of radiation. Imagine the lawsuits they would face?

    They would probably do sensible things, like behavior profiling and bomb sniffing dogs. And the Chad types would go apeshit because it was being done by an evil corporation, rather than the government.

  • Bruce Majors||

    I am afraid none of you above understand markets. In a market with free entry all airports and airlines would not have the same security procedures. There would be innovation in such procedures since you would be aiming to both not lose customers by offending them AND maintain needed insurance coverage required by lenders, including insurance against your planes being used as terrorist weapons.

    You all flunk micro 101.

  • Bruce Majors||

    Sorry Fatty. None but you. You get an A.

  • Bruce Majors||

    Sorry Fatty. None but you. You get an A.

  • a penny a day keeps Obama away||

    Nothing like even more expensive and intrusive security theater.

  • Testimonial||

    I went to the airport and they made me take off my shoes and pants and blouse. I had to walk through a full-body scanner and then some guy I've never seen before squeezed my breasts and buttocks. All that and I never even got the job at Starbucks!

  • ||

    Those "low doses of radiation" are are massively dwarfed by the doses of radiation in flight. There are plenty of rational reasons to reject the security theater at our airports, but the radiation from the new scanners is not among them.

  • ||

    That's not really the point, as radiation exposure is cumulative. Yes, they get a bunch on every flight. Add to that the exposure from one of these things every single day and you've just needlessly upped your dose.

  • Jeff||

    You're using shitty science to support a shitty outcome. You're citing the low doses of radiation as an absolute value. The problem is that the scanner's radiation is focused entirely on the skin tissue. It's also dumped entirely into the skin over a matter of just a few seconds. It's somewhat like saying "What's the big deal guy, I'm going to expose you to a day's worth of radiation in 1/10th of a second, no harm."

  • anarch||

    lewrockwell.com has had fine daily articles about this, including the radiation issue.

  • cynical||

    They also run articles by people that deny the link between HIV and AIDS, so I'd take their medical credentials with a grain of salt.

  • Not Tony||

    Yes, ignore Nobel prize winners who thing different; I trust the Government uber alles!

  • Not Tony||

    *think

  • Grammar National Socialist||

    That's what you correct? Not the use of an adjective where you want an adverb?

  • Viral Video||

  • smartass sob||

    Yup! The government couldn't find anything to charge him with criminally, so instead it wants to bring a civil suit against him for disobedience. Do keep in ming that the burden of proof is much less in a civil court. Do not resist the masters!

  • smartass sob||

    Do keep in mind...

  • Hu Jintao ||

    I riked it better the first way.

  • ||

    LACIST!!!

  • anarch||

    The agency has previously said that the new technology is safe -- and protects passenger privacy.

    "Strict privacy safeguards are built into the foundation of TSA's use of advanced imaging technology to protect passenger privacy and ensure anonymity," the agency says in a statement on its website.

    Images from the scans cannot be saved or printed, according to the agency. Facial features are blurred. And agents who directly interact with passengers do not see the scans.

    The short articles at the website I mentioned above present evidence vigorously disputing all these claims.

  • CatoTheElder||

    Why would any reasonable person believe any assurance given by the State?

    Officers and agents of the State simply have no obligation to tell the truth to the public. Only fools take the pronouncements of the State at face value.

  • ||

    ""Why would any reasonable person believe any assurance given by the State?""

    Because that's how we elect our officials. The assurances given on a campaign trail can make or break an election.

  • ||

    Or should I have just said Americans are stupid?

  • Anomalous||

    I will believe what the government tells me as soon as government officials are subject to felony prosecution for lying to the public. And even then, trust but verify.

  • ||

    And the CNN anchors thought Tyner was completely at fault for refusing both aspects of the search. I guess it's not a problem for them though because CNN let's them fly private?

  • Mandingo||

    Ok...I offer a situation that is bound to happen. There will inevitably be a perv that gets himself all hopped up on Viagra before he goes through screening just to see what happens.

    What will the TSA do if they feel up some dude with raging hard-on? Seriously, what do they do if they come across something like that? Do they go further? Does he get booted for carrying a concealed weapon?

    I would prefer a hand job, but its not likely to happen.

  • anarch||

    1) They will attack and subdue and arrest and detain and punish him on suspicion of concealing an (extra-anatomical) weapon.

    2) The injuries they inflict will be adjudged his own fault.

    3) Security measures will be enhanced to further invade the privacy, compromise the dignity, and win the gratitude of all subsequent travelers.

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

  • Barney The Frank||

    The TSA has been advised to call me...I'll take care of it!

  • GMT II||

    Gives new meaning to "wait four hours and call a professional".

  • Fiscal Meth||

    I'm that pervert! I just said upstream that I'm going to do that! You can thank me for the cold shower you have to take before you go through security next time.

  • ||

    You know, my hard on could be construed as a weapon - a massive weapon of purple spurting destruction. But I always say, I only use it good...er, for good.

  • ||

    ""You know, my hard on could be construed as a weapon ""

    If it's shooting HIV rounds, I'm pretty sure there is some case laws the calls it such.

  • ||

    First, they said you waived your 4th amendment rights, when you became an airline passengers, and I did nothing. Then, they said you waived 4th amendment rights when you got your drivers license, because a truck or a car that could be used to carry a bomb, and I did nothing. They they said you waived your rights when you got a mortgage that Freddie Mac might purchase, because your house could be used for illegal activites, and I did nothing. Then they said they could grope my daughter to make sure she was not carrying motrin to school in the morning, but nobody was there to help me because their houses and cars, and persons were no longer safe from unreasonable searches.

    Airports are part of America, and cannot be allowed to become 4th amendment free zones.

  • ||

    Part of the problem is that really don't take airport security seriously to begin with. We hire ex-fry cooks to do this job and we pay them crap. In Israel they hire ex-Mossad and special forces types who never have to even touch you. These people are masters in reading body language.

  • Barney The Frank||

    "We hire ex-fry cooks to do this job and we pay them crap." Yeah, but they get all they can eat!

  • Pete Guither||

    I think it's time to enlist the naturists in this cause, particularly those over 40.

    Every time they go through security, they could just strip naked in front of everyone as an alternative security check to x-ray or groping.

    What is the TSA going to do - arrest them for excessive cooperation with security procedures?

    This happens enough times in packed holiday traffic airports and the public will demand a change in policy.

  • DADIODADDY||

    best idea yet...everyone travels NAKED...of course with the older flight attendent population that might cause a little gorge in the throat, but what the hell...esp when you consider thosde extra wide passengers

  • Barney The Frank||

    "...that might cause a little gorge in the throat,..." I love a good gorge in the throat.

  • ||

    I hope that they have a LOT of seat sanitizers...

  • LCR||

    The Federal naked scanner money trail clearly leads to a company named Rapiscan:

    http://www.leftcoastrebel.com/.....money.html

  • Bruce Majors||

    TSA Groping: flight on Spirit Air is cheaper than cover charges, dinner and drinks, or going to a sex club. Get your naughty on on a budget.

  • West Texas||

    So, here's a question I just came up with...

    TSA maintains a list of airports with scanners. 65 airports at last count.

    Uhh, what are the procedures at airports that don't have the scanners, does everyone have to get molested?

    And, if not, why do the molestations only occur at airports with the scanners? What difference does it make whether the scanner is there or not if the goal is "safety"?

    And why wouldn't this information be of interest to the bad guys?

    Looks to me like the molestations are nothing more than the stick used to make people comply with Commissar Janet's new toy and not anything that is necessary for "safety."

  • Stretchy||

    According to one of the articles posted in H&R this morning, that list isn't up to date. Once again, they have plenty of money to hire an army of molesters and buy Dr. Evil type technology but, they can't be bothered to update a website.

  • Bruce Majors||

  • Bruce Majors||

  • Cuddly Soft Balls of Death||

    I want an airport concession to sell adhesive foil special messages and decorative designs that will show up in your Rapescan. Then, to help the airlines and TSA earn some extra cash, you can buy a "suitable for framing" copy of your Rapescan for $10.

  • ||

    Metallic paint, so I can write "Get a load of this Big Boy" on my tummy and paint an arrow toward my groin.

  • ||

    it's just a bunch of minimum wage, Wal Mart rejected black women who are angry at everyone, especially ALL white people, enjoying a position of power that lets them humiliate the "Massars".....oh yeah, they're all fat and ugly too...

  • ||

    There is no safe level of ionizing radiation. Therefore, the machines are not "safe."

    The machines bathe your skin and surface tissue with ionizing radiation.

    Ionizing radiation causes cancer.

    The TSA has no constitutional authority to demand that U.S. Citizens choose between cancer machines nicknamed by TSA agents "the dick measurer", or be aggressively digitally fondled by someone quite possibly with a criminal record.

  • AlmightyJB||

    "We will soon find out if there is a limit to the sacrifices of personal freedom that Americans will endure in the name of fighting terrorism."

    No, no there is not. As an TSA agent can testify, Americans have no balls.

  • ||

    Say you choose molestation over scanner. Can a woman request a female molester ? I'm guessing she could, rather than be groped by a man. But what if you're gay ? Logically a gay man ought to have the option to request a female groper, same as a heterosexual woman. Now, let's say a guy just Pretends to be gay...see where I'm goin'...

  • ||

    During the pat down, ask her if she likes her job, and mention that you like her job too.

    Saying seemingly benign stuff that doesn't really mean anything but makes them feel unconfortable could be fun.

  • ||

    Yes, yes I do.
    brilliant. I suggest you have your dialog prepared before hand.
    Me - I am so gay...super gay, so having a man touch me will make me spurt...a woman should search me, otherwise it will just like a heterosexual man rubbing his fingers all over poont*ng.
    TSA screener supervisor - OK...here, you can have this hot Purerto Rican girl check your gonads, jingle bells, and cavity of no return.
    Me - my favorite...uh, I meant if it was a male Puerto Rican. I am wearing a c*ck ring, so you will have to thoroughly, THOROUGHLY check my crotchiler area...probably twice.
    TSA hot Puerto Rican girl - why do you have a boner?
    Me - the c*ck ring - weren't you listening??? Like I said, you have to thoroughly check it...THOROUGHLY
    Ohhhhh! actually, I don't want to fly anywhere...but maybe tomorrow...see you tomorrow!

  • ||

    Sounds like we need full cavity searches on all passengers to protect against rectal bombes.

  • Barney The Frank||

    Rectal Bombs are my specialty.

  • Larry Craig||

    I like to call them poop poppers.

  • Pedophile TSA Agent||

    That 13 year old girl looks like a terrorist to me, just let me bring her to my "enhanced" screening room and lets see what we can find ;)

  • Alice||

    This topic has finally made me come out of lurkerdom here. I'm a little surprised that anyone on here is okay with these practices (I mean, outside of the usual suspects). It's a completely ridiculous invasion of privacy and overreach by government.

    And the whole thing is simply about perception. If passengers feel fear they'll hesitate to fly, thus harming the industry. So let's make them feel safer, even if it's just theater. It's the newest and bestest technology! We'll sure beat those terrorists this time! Anyone who objects is at fault for the next attack!

    So who would submit to an actual strip search by a low-level TSA smurf? Well, ok, probably about 10-15% of the population would do whatever the person in charge said, no matter how humiliating. But the normal people, who would? Who would put their kids through it? But as long as you don't FEEL the embarrassment of the search - no problem!

    It's not the actual security or the actual humiliation, but how you feel about it. It's bullshit. And don't get me started on the "enhanced" pat-down.

  • anarch||

    Well, ok, probably about 10-15% of the population would do whatever the person in charge said, no matter how humiliating. But the normal people, who would? Who would put their kids through it? But as long as you don't FEEL the embarrassment of the search - no problem!

    It's not the actual security or the actual humiliation, but how you feel about it. It's bullshit. And don't get me started on the "enhanced" pat-down.

    The circumcision thread was yesterday.

    :-)

  • ||

    I think it's time to re-make "Airplane":

    CAPTAIN: "Joey, have you ever seen a grown man naked on a TSA scanner?..."

  • ||

    Joey, did you like the way the TSA man touched you?

  • ||

    If I knew Warty was going to be my pat down screener, I'd fly every day. Twice a day even.

    If I knew Sugarfee was gong to be my screener, I'd shit in my pants and cover my body in High Fructose Corn Syrup.

  • ||

    So a guy working for the TSA is asked by his new girlfriend if he's ever had sex with a man. Does he go for the Bill Clinton(ish) answer? It depends on the definition of sex.

  • Carl||

    awesome!

  • mark||

    The problem is that if the US makes this a mandatory thing over here, there’s nothing to say that this will be mandatory on incoming flights from around the world. I believe there are a lot more (better) ways to control the safety of flying such as the use of dogs and the better training of the TSA agents. It came to light last week in Orlando International Airport that a TSA agent has lost their ID and security card, so there is some unauthorized person walking around with a security card that will enable them to get in to restricted areas! How after all of the recent security measures imposed upon us is this able to happen? With regards to the recent “Toner” bomb plot the Airport security needs to be changed. Every bag needs to be scanned. They should make check in after security, so that you have to walk through with your bag while it is going through the scanners. This would not only act as a deterrent to would be terrorists but will also ensure that every single bag going onto a plane is scanned and checked as at the moment this does not happen.

  • ||

    To all of the fuctards defending this, how can you say this is cool for your wives, mothers and daughters?
    I don't care about my wang being touched or pictured, but why does everyone have to be okay with it?

  • ||

    Home of the brave and land of the free - yah sure, you betcha! Best EVERYTHING in the world - yah sure, you Betcha!

    The failed war on drugs have given us the destabilization of an entire continent, no knock home invasion and gov confiscation of private property by suspicion. We also have gov reading all email and listening to all phone conversations. Now we have a TSA, in an effort to increase their numbers and control, looking at nekked citizens, feeling up both males and females, etc.

    Land of the free my ass! More like land of conditioned sheep and idiots!

  • ||

    Just think of the TSA agent as a doctor.

  • anarch||

    No.

  • anarch||

    Or as Tim Leary said, improving on Nancy Reagan's formula for telling your kids how to refuse drugs, No thank you.

  • Pedophile TSA Agent||

    Just think of my as a doctor

    think of your daughter as a terrorist

    and just keep thinking that object poking her in the back is just a wand

  • stilldeciding||

    I'll be ok with the enhanced patdown. when every TSA employee must endure the same procedure before their shift starts and when their shift ends.

  • ||

    Needs to be tit-for-tat. You grope me, I grope you. You pull or twist, I pull or twist. After a couple of hours of this you will find a lot of "security personnel" developing painful and very personal injuries.

  • ||

    'Has the Transportation Security Administration gone too far?'

    They went too far the moment they were created.

  • ||

    Any private person or non-governmental organization even attempting what these alleged "security personnel" are doing under cover of government authority would be subject to felony prosecution and incarceration.
    This is just the tip of the ice-burg people. Do you recall how the airport security procedures have crept from the airport to government facilities at all levels? Are we any safer for the increasing levels of delay and inconvenience? Ask yourself how much all of this "security" is costing, all at government rates which are 40% to 100% higher than equivalent civilian "services".
    This is a textbook example of insanity breeding higher levels of insanity. The more they are permitted to get away with the more they attempt to get away with.
    These TSA people all need to:
    1. Be pre-qualified for their positions by successfully passing a standard police academy entrance examination. (Mental and Physical)
    2. Successfully complete a course in civil and criminal law equivalent to the requirements for graduation from an accredited police academy.
    Only on completion of these requirements should any person be considered as minimally qualified for (what should be) the responsible position of a front line security person. Of course, this will never happen under the "security theater" policies that are currently in place as the front line personnel are mostly barely GED equivalent educationally, and physically unfit for anything but sedentary work.
    I doubt that the majority of them could ever qualify for certification to operate a dental x-ray unit much less the higher powered equipment they are currently dealing with.
    It is obvious that none of them understand the effects of long term exposure to the wavelengths and power levels being employed by these machines, if they did they would all be looking for other work that doesn't expose them to the likely long term dosages that will lead to skin cancers, neurological disorders, and probable chromosomal damage.

  • ||

    Where are the scanners coming from?
    I have no specific knowledge about them, but my guess is only one US company sells the exact model, they are getting an exclusive-over-time contract with the U.S. for them, the contract was written to make it so only that model/company would be the one we purchased, and some politicians in their district and on their donations list are making sure it will happen, no matter what we (or even the TSA) want.

  • Boss Tweed||

    In the words of Tiberius, that great champion of personal liberty: "How ready these men are to be slaves."

  • ||

    So basically the terrorists whipped the dog shit out of us again? They attack the country, and we get to be publically humiliated? Sounds fair.

  • Ehop||

    I am waiting for the camera phone with the oohhh baby yeah, right there, feels so good.

  • ||

    I've decided the way I'm dealing with this issue next time I fly is to go for the pat down and then proceed to give a performance that outdoes the restaurant scene from "When Harry Met Sally". Then EVERYONE gets to be uncomfortable. With my luck, I'll get sued for sexual harassment.

  • Pedophile TSA Agent||

    My job is to pat down all the girls between 12 and 17

    can't be too safe right?

  • hke||

    I would feel o.k. (not great) about this if all the public officials responsible for this had to have their nude pictures posted at each TSA checkpoint. The TSA personnel should be pictured nude on a wall near the checkpoint too.

  • ||

    Perhaps it's time for a constitutional amendment to guarantee the right to air travel.

  • COINTELPRO||

    That's not even the coup de grace. Even if you go through the full body scan, you can still be subjected to the "enhanced" patdown, just in case you had trouble deciding. If I wanted to be photographed nude and have a mustachioed guy grabbing my balls, I would have become a gay porn star. At least I'd get paid for it.

  • ||

    Is it possible that this whole nekkid scanner / groper thing is just to settle a bet between a couple of aristocrats about how much personal humiliation Americans will stand for?

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