Radley Balko | January 23, 2009
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Unfortunately, because some addicts use opiate painkillers to get high, the Drug Enforcement Administration has decided to play doctor, determining that no patient should ever need medication at dosages that high, and that any doctor prescribing drugs in those quantities must be dealing (or “diverting,” as it’s called in the white collar world). While it’s certainly possible that some doctors who prescribe pain medication are unethical, the DEA’s aggressive, un-nuanced pursuit of pain doctors has put the fear of prosecution into nearly all doctors who specialize in pain treatment (and scared young doctors from entering the field). Driven by politicians spooked by a spate of irresponsible press reports warning of an OxyContin fad sweeping the country, the DEA’s high-profile pursuit of pain specialists has poisoned the relationship between pain doctors and their patients, and left the country with a dire shortage of physicians willing to prescribe pain medication at the dosages many patients need.
We have drug cops dictating medical policy, and it’s leading to all sorts of unnecessary suffering. Some patients have lost one doctor to a DEA prosecution, spent weeks to find another who will treat them, sometimes miles away, only to have that doctor come under investigation, too. More than a few pain patients have attempted suicide after being unable to find a doctor to treat them.
All just collateral damage. The DEA’s mission is to prevent people from getting high. If it takes an overly broad, overly aggressive, chilling campaign against doctors to do that, leaving millions of people in needless, sometimes debilitating pain, so be it.
And for What?
Even if the drug war were working—even if all the horrible things the federal government says are caused by illicit drugs were accurate (and some of them admittedly are), and even if the war on drugs were proving successful in eradicating or even significantly diminishing our access to those drugs—you’d have a difficult time arguing that the benefits would be worth the costs.
But the kicker is, of course, that it isn’t working. Most of the federal government claims about the evils associated with illicit drugs are either exaggerated or misapplied effects not of the drugs, but of the government’s prohibition of them.
More to the point, none of this is working, even taking drug war advocates’ positions at face value. It is as easy to achieve an illegal high today as it was in 1981, as it was in 1971, as it was in 1915. The vast majority of you reading this either know where to get a bag of marijuana, or know someone who knows where to get one. Specific drugs come in and out of vogue, but the desire to alter one’s consciousness, to escape life’s drab monotonies, or just to call in a different mindset is as strong and pervasive as it’s ever been, going back to the stone age. It’s also just as easy to fulfill.
In a 1986 speech designed to drum up public support for yet another round of War on Drugs legislation, President Ronald Reagan officially designated illicit drugs a threat to America’s national security. After declaring that, “We’re running up a battle flag,” Reagan then compared America’s determination in the war on drugs to that of the French troops at the World War I Battle of Verdun. As the journalist Dan Baum notes while explaining Reagan’s speech in his book Smoke and Mirrors, Verdun was a protracted, bloody, brutal battle of attrition. A quarter million troops lost their lives and another 700,000 were wounded in the months-long battle for a small strip of land that offered little practical advantage to either army. In fact, in much of Europe, Verdun has come to symbolize the futility of war, and the way governments are willing to write off the mass loss of human life as mere collateral damage in the pursuit of some seemingly noble but ultimately shallow and elusive aim.
Looking back, Reagan’s analogy was quite a bit more appropriate than he probably intended.
Radley Balko is a senior editor at Reason magazine. This article orginally appeared at Culture11.com.
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Caption Contest!
"Bad Plants, bad plants, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when we
spray toxic herbicide all over you!"
If Reason wanted to do something besides whine they'd try to
confront those they oppose and do their best to show how they're
wrong (according to Reason). They don't do that, they just whine in
pages no one reads.
The top question here is weak, and anyone who's not stoned can come
up with the formulaic answer that will be offered:
digg.com/dialogg/John_Boehner_1
The potheads also polluted BHO's site with their stoned questions,
which were then answered with formulaic answers, including the
second time when the idiots asked the same question (perhaps
expecting a different response).
Think of it as Darwinism.
Oh, OLS is here, but he didn't see fit to post his personal
information this time.
What a shame.
As long as there is an industry built around the belief that drug use is wrong (just look at the ads that come up with this page) and that it is something that should be tested for as a condition of employment, the war will continue. We're talking billion dollar industries here (aka Big Sobriety).
They don't do that, they just whine in pages no one
reads.
Ironic, dontcha think?
I notice this article doesn't address what to do to change this situation. Yes, we read Reason, so we ALREADY KNOW the government sucks, and this just another example of why and how. But maybe other commenters can share, what do you do to change it? Donations to the Drug Policy Alliance? The MPP? NORML? Wait for the old coots to die off?
I would propose the dutch approach, where soft drugs, those that
really do no harm are tolerated and controlled (coffeshops) I am
all for the end of prohibition on NON ADDICTIVE drugs (mj shrooms x
lsd rc's etc.) but the addictive drugs such as heroin and cocaine,
not coca leaf though should remain unlaful.
just my .02
...they just whine in pages no one reads.
Oh, Lonewacko, master of irony...
Wait for the old coots to die off?
Ask the 60s generation how well that worked out.
Wait for the old coots to die off?
And while we're waiting, we should tell AARP that marijuana helps
block Alzheimer's. If
we could get that lobbying powerhouse on the right side...
SpongePaul, so cocaine / opiate / amphetamine users should be put in prison - alongside murderers and rapists - to protect their health? You may want to examine that idea a little more.
Alcohol is an addictive, mood altering, decision impairing
substance. To me, its just as dangerous as any other drug that
people abuse. So why don't we just treat all drugs the same and be
done with it?
Is it me, or did personal responsibility too hard for America?
Opium should be legal too.
_________________________________________
It is nice enough on its own, mmmm... O, but it is addicitve and
requires a makeup of fortitude not to fall to it. I think the
science of the drugs needs to come out, and rational scientific,
social responsible policy, not moral based views should prevail,
for what is not moral to you, may be just peachy to me, lol.
SpongePaul, so cocaine / opiate / amphetamine users should be
put in prison - alongside murderers and rapists - to protect their
health? You may want to examine that idea a little more.
___________________________________________
I did not say prison. there should be no jail time, we should have
treatment, and laws that do not imprsion one afflicted with
addiction, but treated. this is more sane an approach. I do not
have the answers, lol. but, policy needs to change for the
childrens sake, LOL
Pirate Jo,
The purpose of the organizations that you listed is to press for
policy change. Unfortunately, these changes require a certain
degree of public support.
The purpose of Balko's article is to hopefully build that support
by offering some truth to the public debate (or perhaps to state
the importance of such a debate).
What makes this article more important than, say, some kids
Facebook note, is that Balko has put a large amount of effort into
researching the effects of drug Prohibition. He also has a degree
of exposure, so maybe someone will actually read it.
At any rate, the War on Some Drugs will only end when there is a
considerable change in public opinion. A top-down approach to
policy change can never be effective until grassroots individuals
like Balko do their part.
Anyway, if someone has maybe five minutes to consider the effects
of the Drug War and wants to read something informed and
informative, maybe you could point them to this article.
Pirate Jo | January 23, 2009, 3:50pm | #
I notice this article doesn't address what to do to change this
situation. Yes, we read Reason, so we ALREADY KNOW the government
sucks, and this just another example of why and how. But maybe
other commenters can share, what do you do to change it?
How about electing more Barney Franks to Congress? That would
work.
Of course, I'm guessing 90% or so of Reason readers would vote for
a generic Republican, or a throwing-your-vote-away LP candidate, if
they lived in Barney Franks' district. I take this to mean they
think low taxes are more important than ending the drug war (as
well as ending laws against other victimless crimes, like the
defacto ban on on-line gambling).
Damn those old coots!
However, "Pirate Jo" does have a point: blogdom is short on people
who actually want to do something. Being used to activists, it's a
bit of a shock to read blogs and all they want to do is sit on
their couches getting stoned and whining. That's not limited to
Reason, it's a problem with the blogs in general.
If Reason wanted to actually do something, they've got a camera so
they could go ask real questions at press conferences. Or, they
could do as I suggested above and post questions to BHO's site.
They can't even do that.
P.S. I just posted about how Dave
Weigel won't approve a comment I left on his site showing how
he's wrong.
Great article - I forwarded the Culture-11 version to all my friends last week.
SP - I disagree, but I find that a much more acceptable idea than prison.
I tried to make friends with Balko on Facebook. No luck
yet.
I'll pretend it's because he's so busy covering the Ryan Frederick
case. Yep, that's it, I'm sure.
If and when I get that glorious "request accepted" note, it's going
into the scrapbook right next to my lock of Pernell Roberts's
hair.
PS -- Die, LoneWacko.
Some people pretend their friends with celebrities. Lonewacko pretends he's enemies with bloggers. Somehow, it's even worse.
Dying elderly folks on Medicare get the strongest drugs -
legally and at my expense.
There is a solution for both problems here - deprive these fuckers
of painkillers based on their hypocritical Rush Limbaugh mentality
and see how fast Medicare operations drop until drugs are legal for
everyone.
Geotpf - As disgusted as I was by Frank's grandstanding during
the bailout, I would still probably vote for him due to his
anti-drug war and pro-gambling stances. I sucked it up for the
things I didn't like about Ron Paul (religiousity, abortion,
immigration views - and later, the personality cult), I'd do the
same for Frank (if I lived in his district).
The tally in Balko's article is the reason why. I think the WoD is
the single worst public policy we have, including our currently
moronic economic policies.
"Collateral damage" is nothing in the drug war. During the
recent incursion into Gaza, at one point, about a third of the 1115
fatalities at that time were children.
Hamas said that Israel only killed about 50 or so actual Hamas
militants. Even if this figure is inaccurate, it is still probable
that the childrens' death count far exceeds the militants' death
count.
In an article in the JERSULAM POST FROM 2007
one Rabbi said:
"All civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam
attacks on Sderot, former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu
has written in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert." Eliyahu
ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the
indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive
military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.
The letter, published in Olam Katan [Small World], a weekly
pamphlet to be distributed in synagogues nationwide this Friday,
cited the biblical story of the Shechem massacre (Genesis 34) and
Maimonides' commentary (Laws of Kings 9, 14) on the story as proof
texts for his legal decision.
According to Jewish war ethics, wrote Eliyahu, "an entire city
holds collective responsibility for the immoral behavior of
individuals. In Gaza, the entire populace is responsible because
they do nothing to stop the firing of Kassam rockets.""
So I guess this guy believes that the children of Gaza share the
guilt so its all right to kill as many of 'em as you want?
Why do our politicians of both left and right fall over each other
supporting this Country? I guess cause the Jewish lobby is so
rich.
Of course, our initial collateral damage in Iraq was supposed to be
around 30,000, around ten times the 9/11 death toll.
Dying elderly folks on Medicare get the strongest drugs -
legally and at my expense.
And theirs. (They pay taxes too, you know.)
Dear Douglas Gray,
Please put me back in your mother's mouth.
Thanks,
OO===D
I sucked it up for the things I didn't like about Ron Paul
(religiousity, abortion, immigration views - and later, the
personality cult)
How is the personality cult a reason not to like Paul? Do you think
he intentionally fostered it? Or is it an "I liked him before it
was cool, gumble, grumble" kind of thing?
Oh please Douglas Gray, if so many children died, why didnt they show up in the Gaza hospitals?
"Oh please Douglas Gray, if so many children died, why didnt
they show up in the Gaza hospitals?"
Because the Jews roasted and ate them, silly boy!
Douglas Gray-Well, Israel is between a rock and a hard place
there-or at least they think so. They think their choices are to do
nothing, and let rockets fall on their cities, or invade are kill
lots of civilians.
What they need to do is to do the opposite-completely withdraw, and
give up all claims to, Gaza (and the West Bank). Even though they
physically withdrew from Gaza several years ago, they had a more or
less total trade embargo in effect.
That is, ships and planes carrying anything (including arms) need
to be allowed in Gaza's ports and airports. Israel can not control
Gaza's airspace or coastline without getting a violent reaction.
Israel needs to treat Gaza like any normal country treats any other
normal country, and treat Hamas like any other political party in a
foreign country.
Now, the actual physical border between Gaza and Israel is pretty
much fixed. In the West Bank, things are actually messier. Israel
needs to withdraw from settlements deep inside Gaza, and set a
fixed line between Israel and not-Israel. It doesn't have to be
exactly the 1967 borders, provided everybody inside the Israel side
of the line gets full Israeli citizenship including voting
rights.
Now, after all that, it's quite possible that Hamas/Gaza (I'm
treating them as a seperate "country" than the West Bank/Fatah,
which is the defacto situation as it stands currently) will
continue to fire rockets into Israel. If that happens, Israel would
have the right to defend herself, including by invading Gaza, just
like the United States would invade Mexico if the Mexican
government started to fire rockets from TJ into San Deigo.
That is, we get three seperate countries-Israel, Gaza, and the West
Bank. The West Bank would probably be slightly smaller than the
current West Bank and Israel slightly larger, but not much. Gaza
would be the same size as it is now.
Now, if Gaza then wants to attack Israel, Israel would have the
right and duty to defend herself with whatever means she has
available. But maybe, just maybe, the people of Gaza would be
willing to become a productive, normal country. But there is
absolutely no chance of that happening if there's a permanent air
and sea embargo by the Israelis.
FrBunny - true, it wasn't really his fault, and no, I don't
think he fostered it. But I am wary of any politician that has a
large band of followers who think he will solve all problems.
I liked him before he was cool - ha -
*strikes cool pose* "Yeah, I was at his 1987 concert in Galveston.
I still have the t-shirt."
What a brillant justification for ending the drug war. After all
the costs in destroyed lifes, broken families, crime, and addicts
is nothing compared to the author's ability to get high when he
wants.
Pathetic.
Also, the Paul Family Retirement Fund - er, I mean the
Campaign for Liberty shows why any politician should be
trusted only to a certain point.
In a way, it's good that the CfL basically ripped a lot of people
off, because it taught a lot of true believers that needed lesson
in trust. As I believe the next two years will teach many, many
Obamaniacs the same lesson.
"Wait for the old coots to die off?"
"Ask the 60s generation how well that worked out."
SugarFree, many of the boomer's P's are, depressingly, still alive.
The solution: Kill everybody.
destroyed lifes, broken families, crime, and
addicts
Yep, those are drug-war casualties all right.
They shouldn't write articles like this on a Friday
makes me wanna break my new years resolution
Then again I currently in a country where drug possession is
legal!
www.progress.org/archive/drc58.htm
The down side is that whisky is crap
...all the costs in destroyed li[v]es, broken families,
crime, and addicts...
...all occurred while the drug war was in full swing. If you
support the War on Drugs, you support all of the above.
MaterialMonkee - good news, indeed. The more countries that move
towards decriminialization, the more pressure it puts on the US to
stop their idiocy.
Also, I'm sure RyanAir has some cheap flights from Porto to
Inverness or something. Since they're both EU countries, I have to
imagine the duty-free liquor limits are rather high.
But I am wary of any politician that has a large band of
followers who think he will solve all problems.
Certainly. It is also entirely accurate if you eliminate the final
14 words. :)
[And now back to your regularly-scheduled Thomas Jackson
beat-down]
I missed the (vigorously hyped) CNBC special on the marijuana
trade, last night. For some reason, I find it unlikely they had any
substantive examination of the idea of prohibition itself.
Anybody see it?
@BP
I only just got back here after Christmas and I'm already
out!
My ability to drink the stuff far exceeds my ability to pay for
plane tickets :)
I, for one, think that the war on drugs is a success.
I mean, I hate hippies, and the WOD fucks them over. I hate inner
city blacks and the WOD fucks them over. I hate hispanics and the
WOD fucks them over. I hate geeky intellectuals and the WOD fucks
them over.
It's like the whole thing was made up so I could sit in front of my
teevee, drinking goddawful beer, watching COPS, and laughing like
Beavis and Butthead as the idiots are routinely deprived of their
rights.
It's fucking awesome.
Radley,
You need to post stories like this early before all the
brain-damaged dopers wake and bake and start opining about
marijuana taxes and hemp powered public transportation.
"I missed the (vigorously hyped) CNBC special on the marijuana
trade, last night. For some reason, I find it unlikely they had any
substantive examination of the idea of prohibition itself.
Anybody see it?I missed the (vigorously hyped) CNBC special on the
marijuana trade, last night. For some reason, I find it unlikely
they had any substantive examination of the idea of prohibition
itself.
Anybody see it?"
I did, which is strange because I don't recall ever having whatched
anything on CNBC.
Saw a lot of sweet bud in both Oakland and Mendocino County.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/28281668
Fuck Radley Balko. You think if I gave him a fucking Senate seat
I'd get anything back? Fuck no, he'd be all like "Ooh, let's end
the drug war and have a responsible government!"
Fuck that.
That shit doesn't buy Ms Blago a new Benz or put the Blago kids
into fucking harvard. Fucking libertarians.
CNBC's poll results (not scientific) are interesting:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/28621704
I guess if Saudi's can hijack planes with box cutters, it's no
surprise at all that Douglas Gray can hijack a thread by pressing
control-V.
As to the gist of the thread, if cocaine and heroin should be
illegal based on addiction, so should alcohol and tobacco products.
We should probably add chocolate and sugar as well. Or, we could
trust the natural adverse effects of those decisions to help limit
the behavior, and actually mean it when we call America the Land of
the Free.
In the same vein (so to speak) of freedom and responsibility, if a
user gets to the point where he'd accept treatment for addiction to
any of these substances, he should pay for that treatment out of
his own pocket (or the pockets of voluntary contributors).
Government bailouts are ineffective and immoral, whether for
personal chemical choices or imprudent and incompetent
corporations.
But legalizing drugs sends the wrong message.
Sure, cut the leg off. Pulling off the bear trap sends the wrong
message.
All of my detractors missed the main point. Of course Israel has
the right to defend itself, but if their incursion only kills
mostly civilians while the terrorist hunker down, (which most
military analyists agree happens in such cases), then their defense
is not only ineffective in wiping out their enemies, but creates
more of them.
Many experts feel that Israel won a tactical victory but a
strategic defeat
Today's US government is a business, one that exercises power as it sees fit, as opposed to where it was authorized to. The drug war makes a huge profit for them, politically and monetarily. They're not going to stop it. They don't give a rats ass if people are killed in the process. Get in their way, and they'll kill you, too.
The drug war's aim is to stop people from getting high.
if the objective of the drug war was to stop people from getting
high, they should've sent Blackwater stormtroopers into the seven
houses of Cindy McCain and her accomplice, John McCain, to take
down a major drug lord of the beer industry
likewise for tobacco, for which the nicotine for some is many times
more addictive than heroin - it easily qualifies as a high which
justifies a doubling of SWAT deployments - they could just claim
they stopped the equivalent use of heroin
in the link below, a detailed study by Benson and Rasmussen in 1996
proved the failure of the '80s drug war; it compares drug crime to
other property and violent crime and demonstrated that:
1) drug crimes do not generally "cause" non-drug crimes - many were
committed by the same individuals before drugs were involved;
2) drug crimes caused massive shifts of resources away from
non-drug crimes;
http://www.independent.org/publications/policy_reports/detail.asp?type=summary&id=2
yes, I would like to read what Balko, or any others, see as the way to go about changing laws if they had the power -- that would be a more productive topic. I believe people should be free to destroy themselves, I just don't want to pay for it when and if it got to that stage. I worked with addicts in a private, for-profit facility and I saw the damage caused by addiction -- alcohol causing the most damage by far -- but I've never been "against" drugs. It just seems like an impossible mission to legalize drugs, but then I've never given a lot of researched thought to the practicalities of legalization. If anyone knows of a well thought-out solution to legalization I'd appreciate the tip -- it's a very interesting problem.
more trolls than usual in this thread....
oh, and i think it's pronounced 8==o
looks better to me anyhow.
If I really believed that the only result of legalizing drugs
would be legal drugs, I'd be all for it. But anyone who's watched
liberals in action for any length of time can't help but know that,
before the ink is even dry on the legislation, there'll be another
set of demands for legitimizing, subsidizing and "celebrating"
*exactly* the consequences they're now swearing up and
down will never ever, cross our hearts and hope to die, uh-uh, no
way, will ever materialize. I've learned that before acquiescing to
these kind of demands, it's a good idea to ask yourself what you'll
be getting for an encore.
I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.
"If anyone knows of a well thought-out solution to legalization
I'd appreciate the tip"
In increasing order of radicalism and my opinion benefit for
society
1)Decriminalization of possession.
2)It costs more money to lock someone up for a year than put them
in on a detox program for a month. For non-violent crime caused by
addiction (such as burglary) give people the option of a one month
detox program and conditional release based on monthly drug
testing
3)Fully legalize, (as in with taxation, import duties) the
unprocessed versions of the harder drugs. Cocoa Leaves and
Opium.
Firstly governments could dictate potencies so highly cut opium
could be sold in cigarette form making it not much stronger than a
shot of vodka.
The war on drugs markedly increases the value of the drugs.The
legalization would make smuggling financially non-viable cutting
out cartels and give employment to workers in poor countries.
Not only are police forces being militarized, but their focus on
drugs makes them less and less effective in fighting ordinary
crime. If you have to make an arrest, it's easy to go pick up
someone breaking a drug law, it's hard to (despite all the TV hype)
to solve murders, graft, ...
Prohibition made the Mafia and gave it untold wealth. America's
'drug war' makes the drug cartels and makes them formidable forces
in Afghanistan, Mexico, Colombia, Bolivia, Nigeria .... Our drug
policies are helping destabilize much of the world.
Lastly, whatever happened to individual choice ? Why can't people
be allowed to decide what to do with their bodies ? Of the
2,000,000 individuals incarcerated at a huge cost to the taxpayer,
the majority is due to drug related charges. As long as there are
positive measures, e.g. urinalysis, to check critical individuals,
e.g. airline pilots, to be drug-free,-why should we be
criminalizing behavior that does not impact society ?
(n.b. I am a retired military officer and don't use drugs.)
The last two comments should be in the field manual for arguing against pro drug war people.
...there'll be another set of demands for legitimizing,
subsidizing and "celebrating" *exactly* the consequences they're
now swearing up and down will never ever, cross our hearts and hope
to die, uh-uh, no way, will ever materialize.
Like the current set of demands for legitimizing, subsidizing and
"celebrating" *exactly* the consequences that occur with alcohol
abuse and tobacco addiction? Because liberals are so much in favor
of those, which is why they never pass any laws against them, try
to heavily tax those two items, etc.
Ridiculous.
We must help Mexico win its war with the drug cartel or we will
have a leftist government running Mexico after the next
presidential elections in 2012. Just what we need, another Hugo
Chavez encouraging Russians and Chinese military - economic
operations in our neighborhood.
As with the end of prohibition, the decriminalization of marijuana
would severely hurt the drug cartels' economic base. It would also
allow us to tax its sale big time (100% federal and state tax rate)
and direct those funds to our military, homeland security and local
law enforcement. We need to think outside the box.
Re: Sage and his caption contest. What I'm gonna do is rinse off with a little water and go on with my life. It's glyphosate, i.e. Roundup, and it's not toxic contrary to what this article states as fact about Plan Colombia. The land is not poisoned....what a load of crap. Dyncorp annually sprays only 15% of the glyphosate applied annually in Colombia. Any farmer or rancher trying to control unwanted grass or weeds is using glyphosate. For anyone who's been to Colombia lately, Plan Colombia is a huge success. The FARC is greatly diminished and slowly but surely the govenment and people of that beautiful country are reclaiming their country from narco-terrorists. I'm wondering how many years ago this article was written. Don't think it's very current.
Thanks MaterialMonkee,
I trust there is a good way to legalize drugs -- you make good
points and I've thought about some of these -- where I get hung up
is the hard drugs, but the controlling of quality and strength
could alleviate that problem. In reality there are no important
differences between alcohol and other drugs, it's just the social
acceptance thing and the association of opiates and cocaine with
criminal activity which paints it evil. Pot has practically been
legalized, except the possession of large amounts for sale -- it
makes sense to legalize that -- it's already socially
acceptable.
I agree with the article that the drug war is a waste. One thing
the article doesn't talk about is the waste of taxpayer money,
which is in the tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars
annually.
This number is difficult to quantify because the spending is spread
out among so many governmental organizations. There is the federal
DEA and other federal law enforcement officers working on drug
crimes. Then there are federal prosecutors and public defenders to
litigate the arrests. Then there is the federal prison system. Add
in the state and local police working on drug crimes, the state and
local prosecutors and public defenders and the state and local
jails and prisons.
Balko stated that there are currently 350,000 people serving time
for nonviolent drug crimes. At over $40,000 annually per prisoner,
this item alone wastes $14 billion a year. There are probably an
equal number of prisoners in for drug related crimes. I believe the
total drug war spending is over $100 billion a year.
In this era of looking for areas of government spending that waste
our tax dollars, this should be one of the items where we cut
spending, if not eliminate it entirely.
When I say "makes sense", i mean it would make sense to the majority of people and would be easier -- it makes sense to me to legalize any drug -- the criminalization in the beginning created most of the problems. It wasn't that long ago you could buy morphine at the corner pharmacy and Coke was coke.
Karl-from-chicago,
I'm not sure legalization would reduce the prison costs except as
it relates to possession and sales as isolated charges -- there
would still be the costs of crimes committed under the influence,
but with many of the lesser crimes, the offenders who are suffering
from addiction would be better off getting treatment than being
thrown in prison. So, there could be significant savings to
society, even with under-the-influence-crimes if treatment is
privatized and paid for by the offenders or through charitable
contributions to facilities. If government runs the treatment
solution, it'll wind up costing more than prison.
If government runs the treatment solution, it'll wind up
costing more than prison.
Um, yeah. You hear a lot of talk around here about "unintended
consequences" of government actions. Note that that kind of talk is
conspicuously absent when it comes to legalizing drugs.
Radley, Are you writing a book on this topic? The world needs to know. As does Jon Stewart's audience.
Great article. Is the cause lost? If 1% of the population in jail and dead civilians don't convince the Feds to let it go, what politician will have the guts to "go soft" on this issue?
My nomination for quote of the day
"We've been working with the Mexican government for decades at the DEA," said Garrison Courtney, spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration. "Obviously, we ensure that the individuals we work with are vetted."
From today's AP article
Top Mexico Cops Charged With Favoring Drug
Cartel
The War on Drugs Denial of Reality marches
on.
"The drug war's aim is to stop people from getting high."
No, its aim is to keep the vast and lucrative drug enforcement
industry working. Karl correctly notes the thousands of people
whose jobs depend on selective prohibition. Billions of dollars per
year in seized assets also depend on selective prohibition.
I am a broken record, I know, but in the context of selective drug
prohibition, so-called law enforcement personnel are the most
important part of organized crime.
As a dyed in the wool social conservative, I actually agree that our nations drug criminalization policies rest in the dark ages. I am for treating drugs just like alcohol. As with alcohol the reason many social conservatives are against drug legalization is the unintended consequences of users not being responsible for their actions. Use it wisely in your homes, but don't get behind the wheel of vehicle and risk the lives of others. Don't demand government to get in my pocketbook to pay for rehab or disability as a result of abusing drugs. Once you get government involved with taking money from others expect them to try to legislate against your choices. With freedom comes responsibility. I would like everyone to be able to enjoy as much freedom as possible congruent with a civil society
This isn't a case of collateral damage. This is a case of trespass and murder. The police had no justification for trespassing on his property, and when he moved to defend his land, they murdered him in cold blood. This shouldn't be about the "war on drugs." This article should be about how two murderers killed a man and got to walk away without even a slap on the wrist. If they were worth their weight in coal, the cops should have, as soon as they saw him with a gun, put up their hands, told him they were police, showed their badges, and left. Instead, they pulled their guns and shot a man who was trying to get drug dealers off his property. This is beyond shameful. This is murder, plain and simple.
How to legalize? How about some suggestions?
1- Open it up to the states - where it belongs - to act as the
laboratory of Democracy. That which works, wins.
2- Take the cuffs off of science. What could alkaloid chemists come
up with if they were charged with finding better but safer
"recreational drugs"? Drugs with much less harm and no addiction
potential? OD proof? Peptide drugs utilizing the bodies own
chemicals? Self-sating drugs, no hang-over,..think about it. What
other possibilities arise once the thumb comes out of the national
arse?
3- Fully fund research into what addiction really is and what the
nature of mankind's urge for a buzz actually is. Currently, we
really have no idea. In this, we make progress towards a better
understanding of the nature of man.
4- Communicate to the people that we must progress beyond this
myopic orthodoxy and that there will be sacrifices at first but
huge dividends later.
5- Target the financial benefits. Drug agriculture could be
restricted to small family farms. Likewise, the new jobs created
could be targeted.
Just a few ideas I had. I'd eagerly read others.
The DEA loves to destroy physicians. They are easy and
defenseless targets. They don't carry weapons and they don't shoot
back.
Doctors (and not just pain specialists) are out there doing a very
difficult job, trying to relieve suffering, and are having their
careers RUINED for doing so. This is not collateral damage, it is
murder. Some physicians, treated this way, have even committed
suicide. Law enforcement, in general, doesn't know a thing about
prescription-type drugs, i.e. how they work, who needs them, proper
dosing, etc.
How to legalize? How about some suggestions?
Restore full property rights to all chemicals.No restrictions other
than those imposed by the seller and treat mis-labeling as
fraud(with no requirement to label at all).
I totally agree with the author of this article. The drug war is
a police war on the US population.
Now thing about this. Let's say we legalize all drugs (it has to be
all or the war continues). Liberals will then have the excuse to
use the legalizations of drugs to make drug users victims of big
drugs. Since they can not work, socialists will blame society for
their inability to survive without crime.
We will have to have a program of free stuff to anyone who chooses
to be an addict. Hence there will be an incentive for addicts to
flourish. Drug all day in government provided housing and
subsistence.
Think about the long term effects as it is in Europe. Socialists
here will expand the addicted population with incentives. IT WILL
HAPPEN!
Great article. Is the cause lost? If 1% of the population in jail and dead civilians don't convince the Feds to let it go, what politician will have the guts to "go soft" on this issue?
Ah. You're beginning to understand. To the above, you also need to
add:
o the war gets them re-elected
o the war earns them money
o the war earns them private sector employment
o the war earns them under-the-radar gifts
o the war appeals to the 50% below the IQ mean
o the war appeals to many over the mean
o the alcohol lobby doesn't want it legalized
o the chemical lobby also
o the preachers use it as a talking point
o the mommy government types want "safety"
...then you begin to actually get the picture. Not going to happen.
This forum is representative of such a small portion of the
population that no matter what is written here, you can't presume
that the rest of the folks will see the logic in it, presuming, of
course, that there is some (there are some pretty dumb posts here
from time to time.)
Sure, we can come up with rational solutions. The problem is,
neither the government or the drug war are rational venues and will
not accept rational solutions.
Nothing gets accomplished here (or in the magazine) outside of
sharing observations. Rational thinkers are a tiny, tiny minority
of the population.
The best thing you can do with regard to recreational drugs is not
use them. Otherwise, you can expect to experience the war first
hand. The government has declared illegal recreational drug users
the enemy. Don't be that person. Don't even look like that
person. Not unless you are ready to sacrifice your livelihood, your
family, and your reputation for whatever you think it is you will
gain (which, frankly, will be nothing.)
Corporate America will never willingly allow the legalization of
marijuana because they need a compliant populace, not a lethargic
one.
Beer, t.v. and religion keep the happy masses filing back in to
work on Monday mornings, instead of rioting in the streets.
Corporate America can't risk a contemplative citizenry which might
ponder, "Well, if I'm working like a dog and falling farther and
farther behind, why am I working so hard?"
You gotta keep 'em stimulated.
I don't believe "The best thing you can do with regard to
recreational drugs is not use them." I think it's time to stand up
and say yes, I do.
Count your friends who don't take drugs of some kind. Coffee, tea,
aspirin, vitamins, food additives, pain relievers, sleep inducers,
energy boosters, bulk providers, sex cures, weight cures, memory
cures, children's medicine, pet medicines, on your t.v. and in your
magazines and books and movies.
Cannibis is hard to regulate, hard to tax, and easy to grow in your
back yard. If you can't make it a product, make it a crime. Then
crime control becomes your product.
I'd rather be in a roomful of stoners than a roomful of drunks,
most days.
Stand up and say, "Yes, I do."
I would very much like to see the US Government legalize all drugs, then control the manufacturing, distribution and sales, keeping all of the profits. Let the drug trade be the one area in which the Federal Government actually runs a business and keeps the profits. The annual income would be staggering. The profits could be earmarked to pay off the stimulus package, and after that could be used to reduce income taxes, etc. Gang affiliation would decrease. Crime would decrease. Mexican Drug Cartels would be over.
OK, Lester, fine.
How are you going to arrange things so that you can see this
happen?
[crickets chirp for a while]
...that's the problem, you see. You're not going to see it
happen. You can't change things. The government doesn't
give a hoot what you think. However, they will shoot you,
and your family, if you get in their way. Or jail you and yours. Or
both.
So, you going to get in their way?
No, I didn't think so.
All of us should know by now that the truth of things matters not a whit in this through the looking glass world we inhabit. There is no answer. Things will never get better and sanity will begin to get a foothold. We are, in fact, wildebeasts. You all know the definition of insanity. Humans are insane.
Interesting read, a lot of the sources are really old and outdated, especially in Latin America where things seem to have calmed down a lot. The author probably needs to do some more research using newer materials.
"I had discovered that it didn't make any difference whether you
smoked reefer in the white classmate's sparkling new van, or in the
dorm room of some brother you'd met down at the gym, or on the
beach with a couple of Hawaiian kids who had dropped out of school
and now spent most of their time looking for an excuse to brawl.
... You might just be bored, or alone. Everybody was welcome into
the club of disaffection."
Barrack H. Obama, President of the United States of America
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