Adrian Moore & Sam Staley | December 8, 2008
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Public-private partnerships, like those Peters proposes, offer the best hope of prioritizing the long wish-lists of infrastructure projects. The private sector will gravitate to projects that offer steady revenue streams and the best chance for profit: new toll roads that relieve congestion in urban areas or highly traveled bridges in need of repair, for example. On the other hand, projects centered around pretty ribbon-cutting ceremonies or meant to deliver pork to congressional districts will be found wanting by investors.
Increasing private sector involvement can close the funding gap, reduce the ‘need' for stimulus spending and make certain the most-needed transportation projects - the ones that will deliver the most bang for our bucks - rise to the top.
The way we fund our roads is failing and out of date. Simply pouring billions more into building roads the old fashioned way won't fix it. A modern transportation network designed to meet today's diverse travel needs would help the economy grow. Unfortunately for taxpayers simply handing a big stimulus check to governors won't deliver that network.
Sam Staley is director of urban policy and Adrian Moore is vice president of research at Reason Foundation. They are co-authors of Mobility First: A New Vision for Transportation in a Globally Competitive 21st Century (Rowman & Littlefield, 2008).
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Why is anyone at Reason writing articles about how the government should best build roads? Are you unclear on the concept of libertarianism?
So my dream of being a hobo will finally come to fruition? and i thought that BS in Engineering wouldn't pay off.
What makes you think that Obama means "roads" when he says "infrastructure"? I have no doubt he means "buses and rail".
"Why is anyone at Reason writing articles about how the
government should best build roads? Are you unclear on the concept
of libertarianism?"
LMAO. Seth, you're new here, aren't you?
The Feds have a tax on gas as do all the states.Somehow all this money is collected and never directed to where it was meant.I doubt they can tell you where the money goes.
Why is anyone at Reason writing articles about how the
government should best build roads?
Point taken, and Reason's Poole was heavily involved in private
transportation projects, one of which was in my backyard. Public
outcry and local politicians combined to convert the private toll
road to a government owned toll road. And the costs went up. And
the maintennance went down.
Like public education, public roadways are not ever going away. At
least not in the US. In that sense it makes sense to figure out how
best to get the roads built.
I don't recomend the Californicate model where you begin with the
finest road system in the known world and end up fifty years later
with every highway as bad or was than the Pa Turnpike
BTW, if you want serious libertarian work on roads and airports you
should check out beloved founder Bob Pooles extensive writing on
the subject.
So my dream of being a hobo will finally come to fruition?
and i thought that BS in Engineering wouldn't pay off.
"Oh, my God! How do hobos fit all their stuff into a bandanna? It
doesn't make sense, man! We're gonna need, like, a towel or a
tablecloth or something! But...it's not gonna look cool! We're
gonna look like assholes!"
Why is anyone at Reason writing articles about how the
government should best build roads? Are you unclear on the concept
of libertarianism?
Drink!
"The Feds have a tax on gas as do all the states.Somehow all
this money is collected and never directed to where it was meant.I
doubt they can tell you where the money goes."
It goes into (a) - mass transit boodogles, and (b) overpriced union
labor courtesy of the Davis-Bacon Act.
While roads are probably the least stupid option for government
funding it still distorts the market greatly. Not everyone is in a
business that makes extensive use of roads and bridges (or buses
and light rail for that matter). My company is currently trying to
shove as many people into telecommuting it can so they can then
save on the cost of not having to house them during the day. Not
surprisingly most workers are pretty happy to do this. But that
means more roads and infrastructure will not benefit them (although
them working from home benefits everyone else who still uses the
road by reducing congestion).
I point this out as perhaps more companies would take this coarse
of action, as well as other kinds, were there not government
incentives to do otherwise. Instead of just mindlessly trying to
create more of something, we should be letting people innovate so
they won't even need it in the first place.
"It takes more than digging ditches and laying asphalt to ensure
that infrastructure investments spur job creation..."
This isn't going to help laid off\unemployed autoworkers. The
typical UAW worker doesn't have the skill necessary to use a
shovel, much less the desire to actually sweat.
@Pain
Stop making sense and using logic. Your opinions are not welcome!
You're only allowed to quote from expensive statistical studies and
cost-benefit analyses. Think tanks need to make money too you
know.
If you look up the actually history of roads, it's only recently
that they are huge government projects. If you look at roman roads
for instance, they were initially constructed by the army, then the
maintenance was paid for by private individuals, the local censor
out of his own funds, and lastly by taxes--which were
usually tolls.
So from a philosophical/moral perspective, and even using history
as a guide, public roads are an aberration.
As for existing public roads, I don't run around protesting them
because at least I have a choice to pay for them: gas taxes are
user fees.
These new obamariffic roads though... probably will be paid for
with more debt.
So the army is going to plow a road through your yard, and when were done -- you're going to pay to keep it in good shape. You got that maggot?
Why isn't anyone talking about other forms of transport. Roads
aren't the answer...more roads means more drivers, an endless
cycle. Transit systems with cities designed (private and public) to
make that trip to the store, work, pub all on the same transit
network.
This idea of one person/4-6 person car is silly. Transit with more
options, and people willing to sit next to someone they don't know
(God forbid) is the way to go, IMHO.
Actually, sarg, there are serious impediments to providing
public transportation without government approval.
If I tried to build a bus system without getting permission from
Mumbles Menino and
Deval Patrick they'd throw my ass in the clink. Furthermore, they
aren't going to give me permission if it looks like I will be
competing effectively with the MBTA.
Back when bus systems were overwhelmingly designed for the
convenience of white riders (and few buses ran in black
neighborhoods), some black entrepeneurs attempted to set up bus
companies that catered to this market. Ususally they had to come up
with creative ideas for evading city governments that wanted to
shut them down (selling 25 cent shares in the company to people who
desired to ride the bus for example).
That is one of the most pernicious aspects of state involvement in
transport infrastructure - it makes innovation hard.
So why does this all happen? I'm always struck by all the
governors clamoring for cash for projects that are almost always
completely contained within the bounds of their states and with no
interstate issues.
This is a classic case of how federal funding hurts state decision
making. There is so much federal highway funding, that states will
simply not fix a road without federal funding.
Would it be better to eliminate federal funding of transportation
projects (with the exception of those with true national
implications)? Critics would point to the current state of things
and say that things would get dramatically worse. I wonder if
finally states would be able to make decisions based on real
priorities instead of just those projects that can get federal
funding.
Would it kill ya to fill out the alt-text to let us now something about the image every now and then?
Look guys, you're either preaching to the choir, or trying to reason with people who think that spending lots of money on planes, boats, tanks and bombs in World War II ended the Great Depression.
"That is one of the most pernicious aspects of state involvement
in transport infrastructure - it makes innovation hard."
But without absolute state control of infrastructure, TEH
CORPORASHUNZ would gain a monopoly on transportation and kill your
children.
(Note: I actually favor public provision of major infrastructure
such as roads. But whenever private alternatives come up, I'm
strongly in favor)
"These new obamariffic roads though... probably will be paid for
with more debt."
Phase 1: Debt
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Profit
Look guys, you're either preaching to the choir, or trying
to reason with people who think that spending lots of money on
planes, boats, tanks and bombs in World War II ended the Great
Depression.
Well, that, and employing 12 million men aged 18-45 to use the
planes, boats, tanks and bombs.
Here's the thing: broken windows 'works' if you're the one not only
throwing the rocks, but also selling rocks to others, throwing
rocks into other's glass factories (and at there glass workers),
and then selling everyone windows afterwards, while not getting as
many of your windows broken(and none of your own glass factories
nor your own glass workers). You also need to carefully draw the
boundary conditions.
YOu people are just denying economic facts! Keynes showed
conclusivly that window breaking and fixing stimulates the economie
and spreads the wealth sothat the evil capitalists don't get to
hord all of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I HATE MY LIFE!
Nice passing dig at rail in the article.
We don't need more roads. Net money paid to support automobiles per
driver exceed net money paid to support rail per passenger, and
when you factor in the externalities are probably more costly
still.
The government shouldn't be spending on either, but if you have to
pick one I'd pick rail.
A better analysis would be "what would happen if government stepped
the fuck out?" Then since the government won't step out, try to
have it do what would have happened had it.
The Depression ended because all of our international competitors had their industrial base destroyed in the war. I don't think they realized the Depression was over in Western Europe during the late 40s, for instance. FDR also helped end the depression, by dying. The Taft-Hartley revisions to the Labor Relations Act helped as well (and surprise, the Dems are licking their chops on rolling those particular revisions back now that America is under their heels again).
The Depression ended because all of our international
competitors had their industrial base destroyed in the
war.
Are you saying, then, that the present economic troubles can be
immediately reversed if all industrial capacity of Europe and Asia
were destroyed tomorrow? Because, you know, the US can at least
simulate that by ending all imports from those continents
tomorrow.
Is that the recipe for ending a Depression? Not quite, or
Smoot-Hawley would have been a rousing success.
Just as California is richer because the rest of the US is not an
impoverished wasteland, the US is richer because of the
opportunities for trade and comparative advantage with the rest of
the world.
A richer and more productive rest of the world is better for the US
than a poorer and less productive rest of the world. That is as
true today as it was in 1945.
Anyone interested in roads should read the entertaining works of
James Howard Kunstler, kunstler.com.
An enormous amount of gov. money goes to support our roads
infrastructure. Building the interstate highway system was the
greatest public works program in the world. The cheap oil we've had
through our history has meant we built a wildly spaced out America
where you need to drive everywhere. As oil/natural gas rises in
price (worldwide production is declining despite the high prices
we've had), this need to drive everywhere is going to present HUGE
problems for us Americans.
The more roads we build, the more the demand for them will
increase, especially if they are made available for free. The best
solution by far is to stop building roads and stop going places!
That sounds crazy, but most travel is unpleasant, unnecessary, and
can easily be avoided.
What we need are satellite offices in the suburbs, linked together
with high-speed Internet video connections. People should travel a
short distance from their houses and spend the day connected to
their colleagues via a full-size Internet connections. Many jobs do
not require physical presence.
This is already being done. In Washington DC, legal office
secretaries do paperwork, greet customers, make telephone calls,
and order sandwiches. These secretaries live in Pakistan and they
appear in Washington DC on full-screen high-definition televisions.
If we can afford to make high definition links to Pakistan we can
certainly afford to make them halfway across town from one
satellite office to another. There is a glut of fiber-optic cable
in any case. The daily energy cost of a video connection 8000 miles
away is far smaller than an automobile trip of a few miles.
Internet connections use milliwatts of power and the video monitor
produces light efficiently so fewer overhead lights are
needed.
Roads and automobiles are a 19th century solution to a 21st-century
problem. They are far too slow, inconvenient, polluting and
obsolete for commuting or most other business purposes. We should
have instantaneous full-scale visual access everywhere.
This technology is long overdue. Arthur Clarke described it 45
years ago. We could have implemented it 10 years ago. Granted, it
has started already on a small scale as I mentioned (and also with
Internet meetings), but we should scale it up now, quickly, instead
of building more roads.
Recently before elections I divulged my voting preference for 3rd party as a Libertarian. My counterpart immediately went into funding of federal highways. I replied that that was the worst of my worries given the War in Iraq, the War in Afghanistan, the War on Terror, the War on Drugs, ad nauseum ad infinitum.
I am recently back from India. Roads are good. They're great. I
don't argue the simplistic Libertarian arguments. If driving means
not dodging the cart drawn by camel, brahma, or horse, I would say
India's economy would improve but... sacred cows are sacred
cows.
Great experience, but i'll let India work it out. They are starting
to eat beef. I'll just wait. Beef is delicious.
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