Veronique de Rugy from the November 2008 issue
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What about Congress? In 2004, looking at real annual government spending per capita since 1947, Liberty's R.W. Bradford concluded that while spending grows faster if Republicans control the White House, it also grows faster if Democrats control Congress. Furthermore, some empirical studies, such as David R. Mayhew's 2005 book Divided We Govern, suggest that when one party controls the White House and the other controls at least one house of Congress, the result is slightly slower spending growth, increased oversight, and longer-lasting reforms.
Based on these findings, we can rate the different Congress/White House combinations from mediocre to worst: 1) Democratic White House and Republican Congress, 2) Republican White House and Democratic Congress, and 3) unified Republican or Democratic rule.
Only bad combinations are available in November, as Congress will almost certainly remain in the hands of the Democrats. If McCain wins the race, we won't be getting our best option—and in two years we could get a unified Republican government, which would be awful. The least bad option, as far as spending is concerned, is for Obama to win. While unified government is terrible, and I suspect Obama will be atrocious, Democratic control of the legislative and executive branches increases the chance that Republicans take over Congress in two years. Then we can all live happily in a mediocre world.
Contributing Editor Veronique de Rugy is a senior research fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University.
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Illinois has a unified Democratic government and they haven't done shit (not that I'm complaining).
It is an axiom of all Republican politicians that military
spending makes us all safer. Maybe it's not true.
In order to "Kill dangerous terrorists" we routinely kill scores of
innocent women and children, thus turning their surviving young
male relatives into terrorists. If the Dems' were to cut way back
on military spending, even if there are increases in domestic
programs, the total could be lower.
1) Excellent article.
2) WLC makes a good point. There are shitty state governments with
single-party rule and divided government. For instance, hasn't the
NY legislature been divided most of the time for decades?
Caption Contest!
"I swear to you that we are not after your guns. You just have to
trust us on this. Sort of like the bailout."
And regardless of party, Texans should be kept far away from
the White House
Amen, sister!
I've been tracking these numbers for years Bottom line is that Dems in the White House are better at "limiting" government notwithstanding the erroneous public perception. But the bad news, neither major party has shown any incentive to limit, let alone shrink government whatsoever.
I notice that the primary criteria is discretionary spending.
Frankly, discretionary spending is far less concerning to me than
non-discretionary spending, which under Obama seems likely to
skyrocket with new entitlements like universal preschool, universal
college and universal health insurance.
While learning from historical precedents is important, frankly
without context this is rather meaningless. First, Clinton didn't
increase spending because his healthcare plan fell flat on its
face. Had he succeeded, I doubt the numbers would have been so
nice. Second, McCain has always been a budget hawk and I don't see
any signs of that really changing beyond the bailout (his biggest
mistake in my opinion). He also proposed a spending freeze his
first year. More importantly, he'll use the veto pen, unlike
Bush.
Also, we are now amidst a huge recession, which leaves question
marks on future discretionary spending. Obama does seem to be
proposing lots of new discretionary spending to fight the
recession, "create jobs", etc. Also, Clinton and Carter were
centrists to the right of LBJ. Obama is far to the left of
LBJ.
Frankly, while this study is interesting as historical example, I
don't know if it actually says anything in context of different
candidates and a different political climate.
Bush is from Connecticut, LBJ was from Texas. Sure Texas is about everything being big, so why not budgets. The tie-in of Bush and LBJ is cute but inaccurate. Each was creepy in his own special way.
You're comparing tropical fruits. You admit the peace dividend Clinton inherited without acknowledging it. Also remember that Democrats in 1992 were to the right of Republicans today, in general.
Won't someone play Burt Bacharach at the inaugural?
2004: Republican Congress, Republican Executive, Republican
Judiciary
2008: Democrat Congress, Democrat Executive, Democrat Judiciary (on
its way)
Things can change pretty quickly. Dontcha think?
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I agree that a Democratic president and a Republican congress is
best; the Republicans are war hawks and whimsical spenders so
putting them in executive power is bad... but we still needs some
balance so things don't get too messed up.
My only concern is that Obama is really liberal, and
America still doesn't have national health care, and there's a
huge-ass economic downturn right now. So unless Republicans can win
back Congress in two years (yeah right), we're fucked no matter
what. Dammit!
What's funny is the Democratic shills who were praising divided government to the skies in 2006 and warning against it now. Why not just be honest?
Also remember that Democrats in 1992 were to the right of Republicans today, in general.
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Citing: "Democrats are indeed big spenders. Second only to the
Republicans."
How about Republicans are big spenders with no results after 8
years under your watch in Senate, Congress, and the White House?
Why this bailout? Need to take you to face the public anger. But
you have no Reason!!!
I can think of one Texan that would do great in the White
House.
Yes, but he is the exception, is he not.
However, being from Texas, I have to agree with the sentiment, Mr.
Paul notwithstanding.
While President Palin still scares me the most, think of these
abomonations:
President John Cornyn
President Rick Perry
President Kay Bailey Hutchison
President David Dewhurst
President Joe Barton
President Sheila Jackson-Lee
Presdient Lloyd Doggett
President Tom Delay
President Mark Cuban
President Don Henley
President Dan Rather
President Matthew McConaughey
President Gibby Haynes
and the scariest of all....
President Jerry Jones.
I think I could handle a Willie Nelson, Billy Gibbons, or Tommy Lee
Jones presidency, though.
Oh, and Natalie Maines will be eligible for the Presidency next
year.
Why not just be honest?
You're not allowed to use "honest" and "Democrat" in the same
comment. It's unseemly.
This is like comparing getting hit with a baseball bat 7 times
or 8 times. The correct answer is that you would rather be hit with
a baseball bat zero times. (I hope).
This is a poster child for the type of simplistic, pointless
libertarian-lite analysis that has sent real libertarians down the
wrong road for years.
The fact is that in the past and in the future ALL of the proposed
balance of power configurations produce dreadful results as long as
they include Democrats and Republicans. They are both profligate
spenders, big government statists who think they can spend your
money better than you can.
The difference in results can be explained almost entirely by
factors other than which party is more fiscally responsible. Remove
the drawdown of US troops after the Vietnam war and the fall of the
Berlin wall and do the records still look different? Probably not.
Take away the Boskin commission's manipulation of the official
inflation statistics and giant tech bubble - do you still have a
"balanced" budget? And is a massive balanced budget better than a
dramatically smaller budget (balanced or not)? Clinton and Carter
came into office with reduced military expeditures that they had no
hand in causing. And Reagan, despite his rhetoric, increased the
amount of money the government spent and didn't even reduce the
total of amount of taxes the government took from the populus at
all. Both Bushes of course were spending disasters. As were
Kennedy/Johnson and Nixon.
The fact is that most government spending and taxing automatically
adjusts with the economy - taxes go up and spending goes down in
good times, the opposite in bad. The actual discretion that the
Congress and President has is small. But make no mistake, the end
result of this is that the government grows every year regardless.
Reagan and Newt Gingrich said this over and over again in defense
against accusations of "baby starving" by the Democrats. They only
wanted to slow the rate of growth of government.
No configuration of Republicrats and Demoplicans will lead to a
smaller government. Period.
The difference between defense and non-defense spending is that
defense spending is:
1) A legitimate government function under minarchist theory;
and
2) Made specifically the responsibility of the Federal Government
under the U.S. Constitution.
At the same time, you make no case whatsoever for excluding
entitlements; expenditures for them are just as much under the
control of legislation as discretionary spending. At the very
least, changes in entitlement programs need to be
scored.
I can think of one Texan that would do great in the White
House.
Yes, but he is the exception, is he not.
Sorry if I'm being a little slow, but guys are talking
about Kinky Friedman, right?
There is no mandatory spending. Congress could change the law at any time and restore Constitutional government, if enough of them ever wanted to.
Yes, defense spending is specifically authorized by the Constitution, with one important and ignored caveat -- no appropriation for the army can be for over two years. The Constitutional idea was to fund and equip an army only under extreme circumstances, when war was imminent.
Craig,
We need you help to fight off the giant guinea pigs that are
destroying the world!
And Reagan...didn't even reduce the total of amount of taxes
the government took from the populus at all.
That was kind of the point. He increased the tax revenues collected
while decreasing the tax rates imposed on the people. This shows
pretty definitively that the private sector can allocate capital
better than the government; i.e. when people/businesses are allowed
to keep more of their money they can make money with it and can
create more jobs. Thus with more people making more money tax
revenues collected increase.
"That was kind of the point. He increased the tax revenues
collected while decreasing the tax rates imposed on the people.
This shows pretty definitively that the private sector can allocate
capital better than the government; i.e. when people/businesses are
allowed to keep more of their money they can make money with it and
can create more jobs. Thus with more people making more money tax
revenues collected increase."
Again, more tax revenues equals bigger government, at what tax rate
the government gets the money matters some around the edges, but
the bottom line is that taxes taken out of the productive economy
and spent by politiicans is a negative for the wealth of the
country. More taxes - no matter how they are collected - is worse
than less taxes. And that doesn't even start to talk about all the
debt incurred so that the government could spend even more.
Here's an excellent analysis done in 1988:
http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=488
Despite all of his so-called tax cutting and de-regulating, at the
end of his second term the federal government spent 28.7% of the
national income - up a full 1% from Carter's last budget. The
federal register also grew under Reagan, despite his reputation as
a champion of de-reulation (but not un-regulation) leaving us with
a more regulated economy (including Reagan's sad protectionist
record), higher taxes and higher spending.
In conclusion - both parties suck for free-market, laissez-faire,
small government libertarians.
The fly in the ointment of course being that Obama is a Far Left Democrat, and many/most of the Congressional leadership will be Far Left Democrats- where will be any inclination to curtails spending and/or the size and scope of government?
Reducing spending means reducing government power. Neither wing
of the Ruling Party has any desire whatsoever to reduce the power
of the federal government. The only difference between them is the
style of the blather that they use to lie to us about their
intentions.
-jcr
Dream on, Veronique. One of the very first priorities of the new
Dem congress and administration will be the passage of electoral
and and voter registration legislation that will guarantee
Democratic control of both forever. Our elections will become the
equivalent of those in the old USSR.
America as we've known it will be finished, and very quickly.
"The only thing worse than Republicans and Democrats is when they start working together" - Lewis Black
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Congratulations on another thorough, sophisticated article -
completely devoid of historical or political context.
Good job.
It seems that a good measure to look at is spending as a proportion of GDP. It seems that from the perspective of evaluating the growth of government influence (a much more important issue than merely spending), I want to know how large a proprotion of economic activity government conrols.
This is the worst article I've ever seen from Reason. And I've
read a LOT of your articles.
What the hell is wrong with you? If McCain wins we will be getting
our best option IN THIS CASE. Do you not understand that "the least
bad" IS (by definition?) the BEST OPTION!? What a half-wit.
Please, do tell, which is worse "atrocious" or "awful"? Oh that's
right, this entire article is about an abstract thing called
"spending" with ZERO regard for the substance or results of such
spending... AND entitlements weren't discussed.
This is just amazing, yet understandable. You write an article
promoting the acceptance of the "bad" now so you can get a "less
bad" result later. Who except for a bunch of people that no one has
listened to for years (as they should have!) would dream up some
scheme of being able to control public opinion two years in advance
just for the "least bad" option?? Articles like this are why no one
listens to you. There is nothing to hear! Vote Obama now, so we can
have republicans back in the house sooner? Should we all be in awe
of your brilliant pragmatic suggestion??
Have fun in obscurity.
yay! More Kadetism from the staff at reason. You'd think the "libertarian" writers would be a bit more weary of an openly spread-the-wealth socialist with a penchant for using government officials(Barack Obama Truth Squads) to silence critics. And I'd expect to hear digs at Texas comming from fabian european socialites, but not from a libertarian working for the American Enterprise Institute. This magazine used to be great, but now it sounds like the Huffington Post with the occasional half-hearted apologetic for capitalism. This is worse than lewrockwell.com
"Congratulations on another thorough, sophisticated article -
completely devoid of historical or political context."
Mlr, you've captured everything wrong with all of Reason's articles
for the past three years in just one sentence.
Kadetism, eh?? Nice reference. Maybe the Reason contributors
should read some Solzhenitsyn.
Oh right right, that's TOTALLY different!!
Listen to the Alex Jones radio interview with Webster Tarpley,
author of Obama A Postmodern Coup. It is a free MP3 download
at
http://drop.io/Summerbird It is currently the 9th audio file down
from the top of the page.
Webster delineates the horrors of a unified government.
This is really the bad thing. it doesn't matter much who wins
the presidency, we'll still have people like Pelosi and Frank in
charge, nationalizing entire industries, deliberately destroying
the economy in the name of environmental reform, housing reform,
etc. Even Bill Clinton complained about them a few weeks ago and
their refusal to help reform Fannie/Freddie back in the 90s. In
addition despite arguing against the Patriot act initially, when it
came up for a revote the Democrats were first in line to expand it
to the war on drugs.
With the Republicans we get higher inflation and more spending and
generating money out of thin air.
I don't know which is worse, but i think my freedoms would be
better protected if Pelosi, Schumer, Durbin, Biden, Frank and the
others were gone.
The main reason that I consider Regan's Military spending
increases a part of limited government is because it is a real
power given to the federal government by the constitution. So I
consider cutting spending on unconstitutional programs while
increasing spending on constitutional ones as a benefit.
Now the War on Drugs......
Well look at what the reasonoids' socialist hero is proposing
now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaAVJITx1Y
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The biggest increase in government spending, an increase we still don't know the full size of, is the mandatory entitlement programs begun under FDR. A unified Democratic government means freedom will contract, government will expand, and the existence of the Republic will be endangered. The Republicans have serious deficiencies, but at least we have a shot at influencing them to make liberty minded choices. With the Democrats its a steady march into the abyss.
In debates, whenever someone brings up the fact that a Barack Obama presidency would be Stalin 2: Electric Boogaloo. The leftist always responds, "Oh yeah, Bush has (been a big spender/harmed civil liberties[cuz listening in on terrorists talk to each other in Pakistan is the same thing as using government officials to punish critics])" That is a lot like saying, "let's go for the HIGH SCORE!" But why the hell is a supposed libertarian making this argument. This Veronique does not think like a libertarian.
"The main reason that I consider Regan's Military spending
increases a part of limited government is because it is a real
power given to the federal government by the constitution. So I
consider cutting spending on unconstitutional programs while
increasing spending on constitutional ones as a benefit."
What's a rational argument doing here on Reason. It's so rare that
I run into a fellow sensible libertarian instead of the usual
rothbardian isolationist.
There's no such thing as "permamnent law." Social security and Medicare were created by and voted through by elected officials, and the reverse happens when the citizens insist.
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress
discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's
money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville
We are on our way.
It's hard to take seriously any article that refers to a Clinton surplus. It's mythical; it only exists if you assume that the Social Security revenues that put the budget in the black never have to be paid back.
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