Veronique de Rugy & Philippe Lacoude | October 8, 2008
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How? By taking the $700 billion they plan to give to Wall Street and sending checks worth $3,600 to the 191 million U.S. taxpayers. Such checks would then have to be deposited into some type of retirement account or be subject to the IRS's premature IRA distribution rules.
The most risk-averse people would invest this windfall into relatively safe money market funds, thereby preventing the credit crunch predicted by the pundits. Some would buy instruments such as mutual funds, which would sustain the market. Savvier investors, or at least those with a high risk threshold, would profit from the low prices on Wall Street to purchase stock in distressed banks.
Less than 30 days from the presidential election, such a measure would have proven popular with an electorate that does not trust the very politicians and technocrats who ignored the warning signs of a crisis and contradicted themselves constantly. And it would have prevented the socializing of a big chunk of Wall Street, a risky and unprecendented intervention into markets whose full effects won't be clear for many years to come.
Philippe Lacoude is the president of the consulting firm Algokian. Contributing Editor Veronique de Rugy is an economist at the Mercatus Center.
Correction: The original version of this piece stated that the bailout bill has suspended rules such as the Financial Accounting Standard 157, or "mark-to-market."
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Virtually all economists now agree that the massive
government intervention into the economy in the 1930s made things
worse and significantly delayed financial recovery.
Link? Because partisan leftist economists of the ilk of Paul
Krugman (who are possibly the majority of economists) think that
FDR saved the country with the fucking New Deal.
In fact, I recall that particular a-hole (Krugman) recently
defending the bailout.
If the government gave everyone $3600 that they HAD TO invest, I
would be sure to load up on junk bonds before the checks went out,
and watch the prices skyrocket.
I think if we really had $700B burning a hole in our pocket, we
should have built a massive water slide. It wouldn't fix anything,
but at least we'd get a water slide out of the deal.
prolefeed,
Here is a link for you:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010281
The bill only reminds the SEC that they have the authority to
suspend SFAS 157. The SEC already had that authority, and the bill
does not change that.
Having said that, SFAS 157 is a standard about the disclosure of
fair values, and not the recognition of fair values. SFAS 115 is
the underlying standard in this case. it is the standard that
mandates that those securities you are not planning to hold to
maturity will be reported on the balance sheet at fair value.
The authors comments about 157 reveal their ignorance. If 157 had
been in place in 2006 (it wasn't) this crisis would have been
revealed sooner and while it was a smaller problem. 157 is a huge
improvement because rather than lumping all fair market values
together, it forces firms to disclose which securities it has a
market price for, and which securities fair values are based on
estimates.
Your opinion would carry more weight, if you had the facts
right.
Grade B- (highly inflated)
Dr B.
Yeah, those "savvier investors" are making a killing these days,
aren't they?
Eliminating mark-to-market would only have hidden the problem
better, not reduced it. The declines in home prices aren't just
market fluctuations, they are a return to reality and likely to be
permanent.
Many financial institutions aren't even adhering to the spirit of
the mark-to-market regulations anyway. Since the holders of
mortgage backed securities can't find any willing buyers at the
prices they are willing to sell them for, there is no market.
Absent a market, the banks left holding the bag are valuing them at
"mark-to-model" -- what they think they should be worth, if there
were a market. The fact that there's no market for them at present
simply indicates that the holders haven't faced reality about their
true worth.
I think if we really had $700B burning a hole in our pocket,
we should have built a massive water slide. It wouldn't fix
anything, but at least we'd get a water slide out of the
deal.
Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your
newsletter.
"When the federal government guarantees bank loans or assets,
banks have less incentive to evaluate loan applicants thoroughly,
but they do have an incentive to engage in riskier behavior than
they would otherwise undertake."
Bingo! That's what I've been saying all along.
The reaction of the credit markets to the failure to bailout Lehman
showed that the market players were expecting a bailout. The real
analysis needs to take into account the real world implications of
government interventions in financial crises. Without a clear
understanding of what that role will be, it's hard to know exactly
what investors are relying on in making many of their decisions. If
they're assuming government intervention, one can assume that their
decisions are different than if they weren't.
Again, we also need to know the actual assumptions that various
parties in this crisis were relying on. If a government bailout is
one of them, that seems very important to me to know.
The real question is whether or not government will intervene in
situations like the current one. Without an answer to that, it is
very hard to determine what will actually occur in the real world,
or what a rational policy should be.
There's no point going on and on about the free market without
knowing the actual assumptions and restrictions we're laboring
under.
I've read both the links purporting to back up the claim
"Virtually all economists now agree that the massive government
intervention into the economy in the 1930s made things worse and
significantly delayed financial recovery." and have yet to actually
see any evidence in those linked pages.
Can someone - perhaps the authors of this Reason article - actually
attempt to back it up? I mean, this is a pretty darn interesting
fact that I'd like to understand whether or not it is, in fact,
true.
Otherwise, it's just a huge Motzo ball just hanging out
there...
I think if we really had $700B burning a hole in our pocket,
we should have built a massive water slide. It wouldn't fix
anything, but at least we'd get a water slide out of the
deal.
Just one word: MONORAIL!
IRA penalties are only 10%
I would be at least half if not more of the reciepients then would
just have paid the $360 in taxes and spent the rest. Sending the
cash back over to China and the Middle East just like the rebate
checks.
It's a sensible rule in prosperous times, but it puts
otherwise solvent banks in a difficult position when they fail and
sell their assets at low prices.
Maybe I'm misreading (or reading too much into it) but a rule that
sucks in sucky times should also not be used in good times. One
rule, one rule only Vassily.
Without mark to market investors can have zero assurance of the
value of what they own.
For fun let's assume a pool of assets (could be a bank, a mutual
fund, an insurance company, whatever) with two owners and no mark
to market. The first owner thinks that the assets are probably
worth significantly less than the quoted price so he sells.... What
happens? If investor one is to be paid what he thinks he just sold
for then investor 2 gets seriously screwed since the pool will have
to have sold assets to fund investor 1 leaving investor 2 holding
the (empty) bag.
It is not possible for investor one to be suddenly paid less: he
sold at a quoted price .... the market would cease to function if
nothing had prices associated with them. And whether this is the
sell of a mutual fund or a bit of Lehman stock the net effect is
the same. Which is why when the executives at Enron sold their
shares knowing full well that the assets were worth much less than
stated, we called it fraud.
And it does not matter if there are only two investors or hundreds.
Mark to market allows participants to know what they are holding
and what it is worth. Otherwise you'd get massive swings in
holdings on the smallest rumor.
It is also a chain reaction: if no firms marked to market then they
would not know what assets they held in any reasonable manner. Bank
A could have X shares in Firm B which holds investments in firms P,
D, and Q......
The bail-out should have been directed to the middle-market, entrepreneurs and small business. 95% of all employnment in the U.S. is owed to entrepreneurs and small business. Why do we band-aid those who have been the cause of the pain and not those who have been hurt by them. Lastly, the IRS needs to get off the back of the individuals and small business and out of the bed of big business. Put end to extreme and immoral penalties and interests that target those who can least recover from them. The IRS and Congress are the greatest impediments to economic growth and job creation within the U.S. Both need revamped.
"Under these circumstances, the capital ratio for GSEs and other
investment banks should be raised at least to the level imposed on
commercial banks-an average of 8 percent, depending on regulators'
assessment of the bank's financial strength and the type of capital
in question."
Help me understand this -- shouldn't the libertarian position be
that the marketplace is smarter than regulators? Shouldn't
libertarian philosophy be that the amount of capital on hand should
be left up to the banks themselves rather than government
regulators? What am I missing here?
What am I missing here?
That there is more than one flavor of libertarianism, each with
different ideas about the legitimate activities of government.
You are not missing anything. I am afraid that we didn't make our point clear. The only reason why we think that lowering the capital ratio rules for these banks was a mistake is that we live in a system of fiat money where credit is derived from central bank "activity" rather than individual's real savings. In other words, we have lenders of last resort (the Treasury, the FDIC, and the Fed) that will bail out banks who fail rather than let them go bankrupt as they should. In a free banking system, there is no need for artificial one size fit all SEC rules. As you said in such a system "the amount of capital on hand should be left up to the banks themselves rather than government regulators." Sadly, we are not in such a system. We have a central bank, and it won't let financial institutions go under when they make mistakes.
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