Gene Healy from the June 2008 issue
(Page 3 of 4)
During the Eisenhower 1950s and the JFK/LBJ 1960s, the newly ascendant conservative movement coalescing around Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley’s National Review was the most potent source of criticism of the imperial presidency. “Others hail the display of presidential strength…simply because they approve of the result reached by the use of power,” Goldwater wrote in his 1964 campaign manifesto. “This is nothing less than the totalitarian philosophy that the end justifies the means.”
But enticed by the long-awaited prospect of an “emerging Republican majority” and turned off by the journalistic and congressional attacks on Nixon, conservatives learned to stop worrying and love the executive branch. During the post-Watergate reform era, two senior Gerald Ford White House aides named Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld fought tooth and nail against what they felt were dangerous shackles on the executive branch, supported by a conservative commentariat that refocused its ire on the Democratic Congress and the left-leaning press. “I didn’t like Nixon until Watergate,” National Review stalwart M. Stanton Evans once quipped.
Although Americans finally recovered their native skepticism toward power after Vietnam, Watergate, and the revelations of the Church committee, we never reduced our demands on the executive branch. The lesson we seemed to have learned from the legacy of abuses was to trust less, ask more. In 1998 the Pew Research Center noted that “public desire for government services and activism has remained nearly steady over the past 30 years.” Two years later, a report on a survey by NPR, the Kaiser Family Foundation, and Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government put it pithily: “Americans distrust government, but want it to do more.” The spirit of Denton Walthall lived on in the years leading up to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.
Superman Returns
The Bush administration’s
extraconstitutional innovations in response to those attacks are by
now all too familiar. John Yoo, David Addington, and other members
of the president’s legal team constructed an alternative version of
the national charter, a “neoconstitution” in which the president
has unlimited power to launch war, wiretap without judicial
scrutiny, and even seize American citizens on American soil and
hold them for the duration of the War on Terror—in other words,
indefinitely—without ever having to answer to a judge.
Conventional accounts of the post-9/11 imperial presidency emphasize the role of dedicated ideologues within the administration, men and women who had long believed that post-Watergate America had swung the pendulum too far back, jeopardizing national security. There’s good reason for that emphasis, but the “cabal of neocons” narrative risks obscuring the role that public demands have played in driving the centralization of power.
In his 2007 book The Terror Presidency, Jack Goldsmith, the former head of the president’s Office of Legal Counsel, describes the prevailing atmosphere within the executive branch after 9/11, one where the president’s men were acutely aware that all eyes were on the commander in chief. What is he doing to keep us safe? What more is he prepared to do?
Goldsmith, a dissenter from the Bush administration’s absolutist theories of executive power, often clashed with Dick Cheney’s deputy David Addington, the hardest-driving supporter of those theories. But Goldsmith understood why Addington was so unrelenting: “He believed presidential power was coextensive with presidential responsibility. Since the president would be blamed for the next homeland attack, he must have the power under the Constitution to do what he deemed necessary to stop it, regardless of what Congress said.”
That dynamic can lead to enhanced presidential power even in areas far removed from the War on Terror, as was demonstrated in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. In business or in government, responsibility without authority is every executive’s worst nightmare. That was the political reality facing the Bush administration in late summer 2005, when New Orleans was under water and desperate for assistance. As Colby Cosh of Canada’s National Post put it at the time, “the 49 percent of Americans who have been complaining for five years about George W. Bush being a dictator are now vexed to the point of utter incoherence because for the last fortnight he has failed to do a sufficiently convincing impression of a dictator.”
To be sure, the administration deserved plenty of blame for bungling the disaster relief tasks it had the power to carry out. But it soon became clear that the public held the Bush team responsible for performing feats above and beyond its legal authority. One almost had to feel sorry for Michael “Heckuva Job” Brown(ie), the disgraced former Federal Emergency Management Agency head, when he was obliged on Capitol Hill a month after the hurricane to inform an irate Rep. Chris Shays (R-Conn.) that in our federalist system, the FEMA chief has no power to order mandatory evacuations, or to become “this superhero that is going to step in there and suddenly take everybody out of New Orleans.” “That is just talk,” Shays responded. “Were you in contact with the military?”
For a president beleaguered by public demands, seizing new powers can be an adaptive response. Small wonder, then, that the Bush administration promptly sought enhanced authority for domestic use of the military. Although few in the media noted the historical moment, the president received that authority. On October 17, 2006, the same day he signed the Military Commissions Act denying centuries-old habeas corpus rights to “enemy combatants,” the president also signed a defense authorization bill that contained gaping new exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, the federal law that restricts the president’s power to use the standing army to enforce order at home.
The new exceptions to the act gave the president power to use U.S. armed forces to “restore public order and enforce the laws” when confronted with “natural disasters,” “public health emergencies,” and “other…incidents”—a catchall phrase that radically expands the president’s ability to use troops against his own citizens. Under it, the president can, if he chooses, fight a federal War on Hurricanes, declaring himself supreme military commander in any state where he thinks conditions warrant it. That’s the kind of executive power grab that happens when the public demands that the president protect Americans from the hazards of cyclical bad weather.
2009 and Beyond
To understand is not to
excuse: No president should have the powers President Bush has
sought and seized during the last seven years. But after 9/11 and
Katrina, what rationally self-interested chief executive would
hesitate to centralize power in anticipation of crisis? That
pressure would be hard to resist, even for a president devoted to
the Constitution and respectful of the limited role the office was
supposed to play in our system of government.
In the current presidential race, none of the major-party candidates comes close to fitting that description. Aside from the issue of torture, there’s very little daylight between John McCain and George W. Bush on matters of executive power. For her part, Hillary Clinton claims she played a key role in her husband’s undeclared war against Serbia in 1999. “I urged him to bomb,” she told Talk magazine that year. In 2003 she told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos: “I’m a strong believer in executive authority. I wish that, when my husband was president, people in Congress had been more willing to recognize presidential authority.”
Barack Obama has done more than any candidate in memory to boost expectations for the office, which were extraordinarily high to begin with. Obama’s stated positions on civil liberties may be preferable to McCain’s, but would it matter? If and when a car bomb goes off somewhere in America, would a President Obama be able to resist resorting to warrantless wiretapping, undeclared wars, and the Bush theory of unrestrained executive power? As a Democrat without military experience, publicly perceived as weak on national security, he’d have much more to prove.
As Jack Goldsmith put it in his 2007 book, “For generations the Terror Presidency will be characterized by an unremitting fear of attack, an obsession with preventing the attack, and a proclivity to act aggressively and preemptively to do so.…If anything, the next Democratic President—having digested a few threat matrices, and acutely aware that he or she alone will be wholly responsible when thousands of Americans are killed in the next attack—will be even more anxious than the current President to thwart the threat.”
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Presidents are celebrities selected by vast numbers of voters based upon less real information than is available in a typical 15 second beer commercial (less filling versus tastes great).
I blame American Idol. Not because of any causative theory to speak of, but just because it's there.
Americans, left, right, and other, think of the "commander
in chief" as a superhero, responsible for swooping to the rescue
when danger strikes.
Well, James Norcross was both president and a superhero.
(reference
explained here)
This is all George Washington's fault.
"He'll save the children, but not the British children...he's
coming, he's coming, he's coming!"
Healy has it exactly right, and it's great to see it on this
month's cover.
So, how do Reason and Hit & Run reconcile this with their own
massive, breathless coverage of the presidential campaign?
Actually, not even the presidential campaign at this point -- the
freaking primaries. (Looking at you, Weigel.)
Such overwhelming coverage carries an implicit message: The
presidency is Very, Very Important, and we think that's the way it
should be. If it were presented with more of a watchdog vibe
-- like, keeping a wary, cynical eye on the public's misguided hype
-- the coverage volume would make sense. But it's not. It's
presented the same way the rest of the media presents it: as an
unquestioned really big deal.
So long as we treat the presidency like a powerful monarchy, we're
going to get wannabe monarchs trying to be really powerful. I don't
think that's what libertarians want.
As a species, we may be hard wired for hierarchy.
In other news, Edward says something that is not completely
retarded.
This *must* be a set-up for something stupid. I can just
feel it.
Shit.
I know shit's bad right now, wid'all that starvin' bullshit. And
the duststorms. And we runnin' out of french fries and burrito
coverin's.
But I got a solution.
Now I understand everyone's shit's emotional right now, but listen
up.
I got a three point plan to fix everything.
Number one: we got this guy Not Sure.
Number two: he's got a higher IQ than any man alive!
And number three: he's gonna fix everything.
I give you my word as president.
He's gonna fix all the problems with the dead crops; he's gonna
make them grow ~again~.
And that ain't all!
"And I ask the three of you, how can we, as symbolically the
children of the future president, expect the three of you to meet
our needs, the needs in housing and in crime and you name
it."
Did anyone else hear the voice of Mr. Van
Driessen here?
"This is all George Washington's fault."
Bastard just had to be too damn good at the job.
"On October 17, 2006, the same day he signed the Military
Commissions Act denying centuries-old habeas corpus rights to
"enemy combatants," the president also signed a defense
authorization bill that contained gaping new exceptions to the
Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, the federal law that restricts the
president's power to use the standing army to enforce order at
home."
The 2007 changes to the PCA and the Insurrection Act were repealed
in the 2008 defense authorization act. Does Reason have editors or
fact checkers for this crap? Does anyone who works at Reason even
have a high school fucking diploma? Healy is either a liar or
doesn't know shit about PCA and federal emergency response law.
Which is it?
As a species, we're also "wired" to be extraordinarily violent and unabashedly xenophobic. Don't make the 'is' an 'ought' though.
Easy there, John. The bit about a high school fucking diploma is
a little over the top, but I'm glad you saw Healy's error and
commented on it; I admit I wouldn't have thought to check that
myself.
Reading this article reminded me of my anarchist days: the idea
that bad government comes from bad men, as opposed to excessive
governmental power, is about as politically astute as Disney's
"Robin Hood".
So, how do Reason and Hit & Run reconcile this with
their own massive, breathless coverage of the presidential
campaign?
I think reason the opposite of sucks, but I'm with Tom on
this one. Please, more cosmotarian, too-cool-for-school
leather-jacketed, used to be in a rock band and still know a bunch
of struggling musicians in L.A.'s rock scene, acerbic, ironic,
cynical detachment from the Presidential Horse Race. Please.
Zac,
I assume they have a high school diploma but that was such an
elementary mistake.
Would Reason prefer a runaway Congress? The problem is not the
Presidency the problem is a governmen that is too powerful. If you
look at the history of the last 100 years and the rise of federal
government power, all three of the branches share about equally in
the blame.
A unitary exectutive is not always a bad thing. Somethings ought
not to be run by committee. The issue is what do we want the
federal government doin and what do we not want it doing.
Please, more cosmotarian, too-cool-for-school
leather-jacketed, used to be in a rock band and still know a bunch
of struggling musicians in L.A.'s rock scene, acerbic, ironic,
cynical detachment from the Presidential Horse Race.
Please.
(Three Stooge's voice): "Hey! I resemble that!"
This was an excellent article. I especially enjoyed the comparisons with the presidencies of old. For God's sake, 3 speeches a year!? I'd be tempted to vote for any bastard who promised that.
It takes 5000 words to say that the role of the President has
greatly expanded since the founding of the Republic.
I guess there's not much happening in world right now.
The 2007 changes to the PCA and the Insurrection Act were
repealed in the 2008 defense authorization act. Does Reason have
editors or fact checkers for this crap? Does anyone who works at
Reason even have a high school fucking diploma? Healy is either a
liar or doesn't know shit about PCA and federal emergency response
law. Which is it?
We discovered our error about two seconds after the issue was
printed, and there is a correction in the July issue. Healy is not
a liar, and I graduated from Lakewood Senior High School with a 3.3
grade point average in 1986.
It takes 5000 words to say that the role of the President
has greatly expanded since the founding of the Republic.
Sigh. Another stupid and pointless comment devoid of even the hint
of substance. But then I guess someone that laments a 5000 word
essay on an important topic as too long for his trivial sound-bite
tastes isn't the person to look to for anything of substance.
Daniel, seriously, stop embarrassing yourself.
As a species, we may be hard wired for hierarchy.
We are hard wired with emotive patterns adapted for tribal
survival. There is a strong tendency towards impersonal
dominance/submissive relationships from which arises a strong
tendency to hierarchy.
We are also hardwired to seek maximal return for minimal
effort.
We are not hardwired for moral principles making such a matter of
awareness and choice.
"The explanation of this, to us, strange phenomenon is that both
these institutions were for centuries thought of as ultimate
remedies in extreme difficulty or danger. If Parliament was sitting
or the Navy at sea it meant that something was up. The gradual
acceptance of emergency as a normal condition of life is the mark
of political sophistication, distinguishing us from our rough and
simple-minded forebears. All of us in the mid-twentieth century
know that when a government qualifies its acts or powers with the
noun 'emergency' it means to persist in them for a very long
time."
- from Ollard's biography of Sir Robert Holmes (and it's safe to
say the third sentence in the extract was written with tongue
firmly in cheek)
According to AP, Obama camp has scheduled a meeting with Christie Todd Whitman, former Gov. NJ, frmr EPA sec. Additionally, the website obamawhitman2008.com was purchased just yesterday... might be an interesting wrinkle...
John,
That repeal was "pocket vetoed" by the President. I don't (and
haven't) learned enough about the pocket veto, so I can't say what
it all means. More investigation to take place...
Tom - "So, how do Reason and Hit & Run reconcile this with
their own massive, breathless coverage of the presidential
campaign?"
The fact that the next president will have so much power is exactly
why it's so important. If we were voting for a president with an
18th- or 19th-century level of power, the campaign wouldn't merit
so much attention.
The fact that the next president will have so much power is
exactly why it's so important. If we were voting for a president
with an 18th- or 19th-century level of power, the campaign wouldn't
merit so much attention.
Which is why I qualified my comment to note that a watchdog sort of
role would be understandable for a libertarian magazine. As it
stands, the subtext in Reason's coverage seems to be that the
presidency is supposed to be important and powerful. (As opposed to
"well, other people want to make the presidency really powerful, so
we're keeping tabs on this dangerous reality.")
In other words, the Reason coverage seems to instinctively buy into
the powerful-presidency notion, rather than treat it with
skepticism.
In other words, the Reason coverage seems to instinctively
buy into the powerful-presidency notion, rather than treat it with
skepticism.
I disagree. The presidency doesn't gain power because we (or
Reason) pay attention to it, it's powerful because we give it
power.
The Presidency already has great power, therefore it's
important.
It's too bad that Healy only now provided us with this
enlightening historical context. If more reasonable, independent
voices from the Right had been present earlier in the Bush
Administration, perhaps Bush and his enablers would have shown a
little more restraint and better judgement.
Alas, Healy's argument only serves as an historical footnote to the
end of Bush's abusive presidency.
While I agree that all the events listed in the article are bad
.. aren't things a bit different and Better than 100 years
ago?
With an unchangeable document governing the masses, and thousands
of people bickering in democracy, nothing would ever be
accomplished in Washington. And yet, you likely scathe the
government for not being able to adapt to change such as
technology.
As well, the idea that the government and in particular the
president has significant power over the people is as old as the
constitution itself. Thomas Jefferson himself predicted the power
shift to corporations.
Having the power in corporations is not akin to placing the power
with the people. Corporations are not people, or are they made up
of people. They are only legal structures of hierarchy, for which
no person or entity can be held accountable. Not only is the power
not with the government, but it is not with the people working for
said corporations.
Regrettably, I believe we need a powerful president, if only to
help prevent inevitable collapse of our government. Atrocities such
as those listed in the article are merely remnants of mistakes in
governmental organization and checks and balances. If a government
is unable to change itself, mistakes will be made until the
government has to be uprooted. I do not see this ability in the
legislative branch, and not in the current Supreme Court, so
President Obama will have to do.
Thanks for reading.
The raise of presidential power beyond the means anticipated in the Constitution is only a relflection of the growth of government as a whole. Our national government was supposed to be a very modest affair. Now it builds the roads, schools the children, takes care of the poor, runs a retirement program, operates a health care program for the old and maybe soon for everyone, regulates business and trade, etc... As we have turned more of our lives over to the government it only stands to reason, or against it, that the president will have more power and fame,
Sorry Tom, I should have taken your qualifier more into account
with my comment.
In any case, Reason treating the presidency as a big deal isn't an
endorsement of the situation. If anything, I would think they've
just accepted it, knowing there isn't much you can do about it,
besides voting.
@Sog
"As we have turned more of our lives over to the
government..."
Many of you talk as if you were alive when the constitution was
written. I suggest that without this so-called nanny state we
wouldn't have the ability to read and post freely on this website -
we would likely be confined to physical labor. But we we're born
American and many of us had the evil help of our government or our
dreadful parents. You act as if you were to live with the fish and
wolves, but rather you get on about it, you all whine in the luxury
of your cushy American condo.
~just adding a bit of good ol' devil's advocacy~
The growth of the presidency into an imperial institution is to
be expected - people want "leaders" they want a Messiah, they do
cling to authority figures. It is easier to identify with a human
being than an incoporeal idea or notion (thus the extraordinary
appeal of Christianity as opposed to Judaism, or even Islam).
Therefore, we project our national desires onto one man - the
President. The genuis of constitutional monarchy is that it allows
a non-political person to absorb the affection of the nation, and
to embody the spirit of the nation, without directing those
affections towards political ends - there is a reason Hitler hated
monarchy, if the Kaiser was still on the throne, Hitler could never
possibly have been the Fuehrer of the German nation. The founding
fathers were genuises, but even they may not have appreciated the
"soft" power that has enabled mere politicians to exercise such
command and authority as modern presidents have done.
God Save the Queen anyone?
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with
the entrails of the last priest."
- Denis Diderot
When a president pretends to be both we are in grievous
trouble.
"Would Reason prefer a runaway Congress?"
We already have that - and have for a very long time.
"The problem is not the Presidency the problem is a governmen that
is too powerful. If you look at the history of the last 100 years
and the rise of federal government power, all three of the branches
share about equally in the blame."
I agree. Healy goes on and on about the transformation of the
presidency as if it was a singular phenomenon and not part of a
commensurate increase in the power and scope of the other two
branches of government.
The Supreme Court initially blocked a lot of FDR's "New Deal" as
being unconstituional but they finally caved in to it and the
government has been on a runaway power grab ever since.
When disaster strikes, people want an efficient and centralized response. Otherwise when time is good, they want less government so as not to impede theie enjoyment of the good life. You just can't have it both way all the time. It is naive to think that life, liberty and justice can be perfectly ensured simultaneously and without compromise. It is just not how the real world works- let everyone get on the plane freely and without scrutiny mean that some are going to lose their lives.
I agree. Healy goes on and on about the transformation of
the presidency as if it was a singular phenomenon and not part of a
commensurate increase in the power and scope of the other two
branches of government.
That's true. But the growing exaltation of the presidency has a
distinct and particularly glaring cast to it, because it
involves a single human being. The selection of senators and judges
hasn't been imbued by Americans with the same romance and theater
that is increasingly attached to the selection of presidents.
It's not that the transformation of the presidency is a singular
phenomenon; it's that it's a more vivid symbol.
They are only legal structures of hierarchy, for which no
person or entity can be held accountable.
Tell that to Enron. Or their accountants.
Their law firm did get off scott free. Which is one reason I've
hired them for my company.
I suggest that without this so-called nanny state we wouldn't
have the ability to read and post freely on this website - we would
likely be confined to physical labor.
Because nothing good happens unless the government does it.
When disaster strikes, people want an efficient and
centralized response.
Well, which is it? An efficient response, or a centralized
response? At the scale where FEMA operates, you can't have
both.
You have an excellent point, Ben; the head of government should not also be head of state... it gives him far too much political cover.
and thousands of people bickering in democracy, nothing
would ever be accomplished in Washington.
And this is a bad thing...how?
It is naive to think that life, liberty and justice can be
perfectly ensured simultaneously and without compromise.
That's right. Life liberty and property can only be ensured by
destroying life libertty and property.
It makes one wonder if the Constitution is an unworkable document in practice. Or to be a little more generous, perhaps it works only during good times. The first war, famine, natural disaster, etc. to come along results in human nature contriving to render it (the Constitution) as merely a guideline.
Chris, what the hell?
Having the power in corporations is not akin to placing the
power with the people. Corporations are not people, or are they
made up of people. They are only legal structures of hierarchy, for
which no person or entity can be held accountable. Not only is the
power not with the government, but it is not with the people
working for said corporations.
Corporations don't have "power". As has been hammered home in
threads previous, Safeway can't take my property, arrest me for
smoking weed, restrict my speech etc. Only through a willing and
receptive government can Safeway engage in this activity.
Corporations may want power over their own customers, or even their
communities, but they can only acquire it through well greased
government official. Because government officials have increasingly
absolute power over our lives through both legislative and
regulatory process, those same politicians become attractive
targets for corporate largesse. Remove the power of regulatory life
and death from politicians, and there's no lever of power to wrap
your hand around.
So this statement:
Regrettably, I believe we need a powerful president, if only to
help prevent inevitable collapse of our government.
Makes almost no sense whatsoever. Our government is doing anything
but collapsing, Chris. It's expanding to the point where there is
going to be nothing but government.
With a more powerful president, it doesn't even come into the fore
of your conscienceness that the president would be a powerful ally
to have in ones court? That the incentive to apply pressure on said
president to implement a coroporate agenda would only become more
intense?
R C Dean wrote:
"...Because nothing good happens unless the government does
it...."
Haven't we already established that socialism does not work? Look
at the current earthquake disaster in China or the deadly heatwave
a few years ago in France. Like Katrina, there is no amount of
government effort that could produce results that pleases everyone.
We in this country have such an unrealistic expectation on the
ability of our givernment to be on constant standby for every
possible scenarios like 9/11 or Katrina. It is just not going to
happen. People need to start beganving like adults and take
personal responsibility to ensure the safety of themselves and
their own family.
Or to be a little more generous, perhaps it works only
during good times.
Hence the statement that governments must now operate in a
continuous crisis mode.
and thousands of people bickering in democracy, nothing
would ever be accomplished in Washington.
It reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons where the comet is
heading toward Springfield and the Senate is about to pass a bill
to save Springfield but one senator attaches a $30 million rider
"to support the perverted arts."
"All in favor of the amended Springfield-slash-pervert bill?"
In unison, "Nay".
Kent Brockman, who is reporting on the story, then says, " I've
said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply doesn't
work."
Ok, so why do you wacko's on the right always support the worst abusers, Nixon, Cheney, the current Idiot in the White House? Spare me.
Nixon, Cheney, the current Idiot in the White House? Spare
me.
Oh for a sec I thought you were referring to the H&R regulars.
I think you meant to post here: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index
Always willing to help a lost soul.
It makes one wonder if the Constitution is an unworkable
document in practice. Or to be a little more generous, perhaps it
works only during good times. The first war, famine, natural
disaster, etc. to come along results in human nature contriving to
render it (the Constitution) as merely a guideline.
This is an excellent point. As a libertarian (with a lower-case l),
I am always complaining to people about how the Constitution is
being trampled on. I usually get ignored. Is my complaining
valid?
To put it another way, assume that we somehow found politicians who
we knew would scrupulously follow the Constituion, to the letter,
and then elcted them. Would it work? Would our country flourish?
Would it collapse? Would nothing much change? What do you guys
think?
Doesn't anyone know how successful our Constitution is?? It's the oldest Constitution still in place for over 20 years. Yes, it's been added to but not changed. It's successful...you start messing with what the Founding Fathers' created that works and it's the beginning of the end!
Yes, it's been added to but not changed. It's
successful...you start messing with what the Founding Fathers'
created that works and it's the beginning of the end!
The constitution hasn't changed, its
interpretation has.
PLEASE COMPARE THE TIMELINES OF THE RISE OF MULTI-NATIONAL
CORPORATIONS,THAT CONTROL INTERNATIONAL MONOPOLIES OF TRADE AND
GOODS,
TO THE RISE OF A POTUS'S POWERS.
THE LOBBYISTS FOR THESE MULTI-NATIONALS HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT AND
PAID FOR THE US CONGRESS.
A POPULIST POTUS IS NOW PERCEIVED TO BE THE PEOPLE'S HERO (MORE
LIKE THE LAST CHANCE).
MAKES ME WANNA LIGHT A NOVENA FOR ST. JUDE, THE PATRON SAINT OF
LOST CAUSES.
Gene,
Well-written, as usual. But no mention of Samuel or
Machiavelli.
Best,
Corbin
Paul, what the hell?
Corporations don't have "power".
You are actually alive today, aren't you? I mean you're not a ghost
from 150 years ago?
Wake up boy. The government is merging with the corporate universe
precisely because corporations do have so much power.
But the merger isn't happening, as you say, "because the
corporations have bought the politicians". Nice conspiracy theory
though.
The problem of modern corporations is a glaring hole in the
libertarian universe. Because libertarians don't see the problem.
Because "corporation" looks like "capitalism" to
libertarians.
Capitalism only works when business is run by rational actors. But
when the last of the one-man empires went "public", upon the deaths
of people like Howard Hughes, the rational actors started getting
shoved off the stage. [tell the Democrats not to worry though, the
shoving is almost completely done and over by now]
Problem: corporations are not run by rational actors who are
motivated by rational self interest. Corporations are run by
comittees, who worship The Near-Future God (next quarter's stock
market results). If the numbers look bad, the big brass have their
golden parachutes.
The people who make the real decisions in corporate America today,
don't have their asses on the line anywhere near to the degree that
people like Howard Hughes did. They make the decisions but are
largely insulated from real responsibility. It's the laid off
employees who pay the real price for f*** ups.
Howard Hughes told congress where to go, when it needed doing. When
was the last time you heard that a board of directors had done
anything even close? Comittees do not tell the government where to
go. They tell the governent "well, okay".
This whole arrangement in modern corporate America has eliminated
rational self interest from the running of corporations, almost as
effectively as socialism.
But I suppose if you're a true blooded libertarian you'll tell me
that these incompetent corporations will die on the free
market.
What you don't understand is that they won't die. Not because they
shouldn't, but because all their competitors are just like they
are. Who's going to put them out of business?
Or do you think YOU can compete with Safeway? How close to being a
real competitor do you think you're going to get, before your
empire has become part of the "publicly owned" corporate universe
-- upon which, you will be the same kind of beast you started out
trying to slay?
The "market" doesn't work today like it did 200 years ago, or even
100 years ago. Wake up.
The "market" doesn't work today like it did 200 years ago,
or even 100 years ago. Wake up.
And the solution to this problem that you have so insightfully
pointed out is.....???
willful censorship by OMISSION re not one MENTION of Republican
Candidate for President Congressman Ron Paul.
the writer, Mr Welch and the posters above hop/skipped/jumped
judiciously around mentioning Dr. Paul and his message of freedom
and liberty AND CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT and his 30 YEAR warninig
of Executive Branch tyranny and the GOP condoning it, calling for
it and enacting it.
Thanks for continuing the shell game.
It's interesting that Gene's article have brought both the Paul-bots and the leftist fans of the imperial Presidency to Hit'n'Run. I'd be curious to know which sites are linking the article.
Where in the Constitution does it say that it is the Federal government's responsibility to respond to natural disasters or has the right to collect income tax? The latter alone would have given our Founding Fathers an instant heart attack! To think that we can some how sustain the spirit of the Constitution in its original form is a childish idealism. In fact, this much revered piece of paper has been manipulated so many times to suit the social agenda of the moment. In the 60's it was manipulated to suit the feminist and civil right movement when those ideas became popular. As Americans, we want to see our system of government rests on rock solid ideals and foundation where in reality such ideals and foundation shifts continuously along popular line. I'm sure all of our founding fathers will be rolling in their graves should they have the opportunity to read our so-called Constitution in its current form. Believing that our Federal government should literally operate within the words of the Constitution is like believing that the Noah's ark is a real boat sitting somewhere on top of a mountain in Turkey waiting to be discovered by the truly faithful. Nut! Get real people and be thankful you have the luxury in this country to whine about silly things like this. This country is not in trouble until the day when a guy like Ralph Nadar becomes the front runner in any election. Then you know people are REALLY pissed.
Ebenezer:
WTF?!!!
Wake up boy. The government is merging with the corporate
universe precisely because corporations do have so much
power.
The government isn't chasing corporations, the corporations are
chasing government. Of course there's a merger. What part of my
previous message did you utterly and completely fail to read? Talk
about waking up. The regulatory state is asking for corporate
donations every time new legislation or regulation is passed.
The problem of modern corporations is a glaring hole in the
libertarian universe. Because libertarians don't see the problem.
Because "corporation" looks like "capitalism" to
libertarians.
Wow. WOW! Hey guys, get a load of "Ebenezer". He's another one of
those... oh, let me guess "progressives" which has become horribly
confused between corporatism and capitalism. If he actually
bothered to understand capitalism, he'd realise that the two have
nothing to do with eachother.
The corporate state, as you and I are both talking have little to
do with capitalism. But I have to admit I wasn't prepared to
deliver a 100 level primer on capitalism in this thread.
Start with this article for a decent introduction: http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0411e.asp
Comittees do not tell the government where to go. They tell the
governent "well, okay".
Uhm, ok, I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I'll
comment.
Modern corporations not only embrace, but ask congress for
legislation and regulation (in return for
hefty campaign contributions) because often its found that said
regulations thin out the market of smaller competitors, and shores
up market share for existing players. If regulation is initially
proposed by government and fought by corporations, a way of
watching this in action is to watch the change from opposing
regulation turn to acceptance and even embracing said regulation.
Someone in the board room figured out how to make money on it, and
strangle the smaller startups. You might do some reading on the
rapid embrace of regulation of baby formula advertising by the two
largest formula manufacturers.
This whole arrangement in modern corporate America has
eliminated rational self interest from the running of corporations,
almost as effectively as socialism.
"Rational self interest". Hmm. Interesting choice of phrase. I have
self interest. By definition, it is an interesest held only by
myself, but yet you can define it as rational or irrational. How
then, can it be called "self interest" if I can't not only define
the interest, but its rationality? We'll just let that one
go.
But I suppose if you're a true blooded libertarian you'll tell
me that these incompetent corporations will die on the free
market.
Not a corporation that has successfully merged with government. See
"too big to fail doctrine". Smaller corporations that have not
merged successfully with government do fail. This is why large
corporate america so despises capitalism.
So please, don't come here and preach about the evils of
capitalism, then buttress it with a diatribe about large, publicly
traded corporations and "public/private partnerships". We'll engage
you for a while, but you'll be chucked into the dustbin of
progressives that repeatedly try to conflate the corporate state
with capitalism.
Seems to me Ron Paul would be a great person to fix this
problem. Too bad Reason tried to destroy his presidential bid
instead of promote it, and CATO has just simply ignored it
entirely.
Of course this is the story of the libertarian movement over the
last 40 years - destroying each other while the Republicrats march
forward unabated.
Well said Paul. Corporations are held in check by the will of the people by how well they perform. It is rare to see a corporation deliberately do risky or unwise things simply because its executives don't care since they have golden parachutes anyway. Corporations attempt to merge with government, understandably, because thats where the concentration of both money and power are.
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