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reason: So the romanticization of bucolic farm landscapes unmarred by scientific advance has an American and European pedigree.
Paarlberg: It’s not what we do at home—only two percent of agricultural products in the US are organically grown. And many of those that are organically grown are grown on industrial scale organic farms in California that don’t bear any resemblance to small bucolic farms. But it’s the image we promote in our new cultural narrative. It’s something that affects the way we give foreign assistance.
reason: Many of the anti-agricultural science gurus you mention in your book have a spiritual dimension. Can you talk a bit about Sylvester Graham?
Paarlberg: Sylvester Graham, the father of the modern graham cracker, was opposed to the modern flour milling industry. He didn’t like the industrialization of bread production, and he wanted women to go back to grinding flour. He was a religious man, a minister, and he had all of the narrow minded prejudices we might associate with a New England clergyman from the 19th century. He thought that women should stay in the home, he believed people should be vegetarians because that would keep their sexual appetite back. We sometimes forget what goes along with the food purist zealotry. It’s often zealotry about more than just a certain kind of food to eat.
In Zambia today there are expatriate Jesuits from the United States who have come to believe genetic engineering is against God’s teaching, though this is not a belief that is embraced by the Vatican. They believe that all living things, including plants, have a right not to have their genetic makeup modified. Of course we have been modifying the genetic makeup of plants ever since we domesticated them 10,000 years ago, but these particular fathers are focused only on genetic engineering.
reason: Isn’t it paternalistic to blame Europeans for the decisions of African governments? Is this something African elites are at least as complicit in?
Paarlberg: It’s a codependency. The African elites depend upon Europe for financial assistance, they depend upon European export markets, they depend on NGOs for technical assistance, it’s just easier for them to follow the European lead than to go against that lead. And to some extent the European governments depend upon having dependents in Africa that will, despite the difficult experience of colonization, continue to imitate and validate and honor European culture and taste.
reason: What exactly have European NGOs done to discourage productivity in farming? You quote Doug Parr, a chemist at Greenpeace, arguing that the de facto organic status of farms in Africa is an opportunity to lock in organic farming, since African farmers have yet to advance beyond that.
Paarlberg: Some of it is well intentioned. The organic farming movement believes this is an appropriate corrective to the chemical intensive farming that they see in Europe. In Europe, where prosperous consumers are willing to pay a premium for organic products, it sometimes makes sense to use a more costly production process. So they think, “Well it’s the wave of the future here in Europe, so it should be the future in Africa as well.”
So they tell Africans who don’t use enough fertilizer that instead of using more they should go to zero and certify themselves as organic. That’s probably the most damaging influence — discouraging Africans from using enough fertilizer to restore the nutrients they mine out of their soil. They classify African farmers as either certified organic, or de facto organic. Indeed, many are de facto organic. And their goal is not to increase the productivity of the organic farmers, but to certify them as organic.
I just find that to be lacking in moral clarity.
reason: But there are functioning organic farms. If I decide to buy only organic food from Africa, what will I be buying?
Paarlberg: It wouldn’t be grown by small fair-trade-type poor farmers. It would be grown through a vertically integrated, probably European, company that would bring in the machinery, bring in the seeds, bring in the fertilizers, set up a production system that would more nearly resemble a colonial-era plantation than a small independent African farm.
reason: We’ve seen similar resistance to GMOs in India and Brazil, both of which now have legalized the use of genetically modified crops. What happened?
Paarlberg: Farmers were planting them illicitly before the final approval—that’s one reason they were forced into the approval. The technology worked so well that farmers were planting them on their own and you couldn’t criminalize all Brazilian soybean growers so you had to approve them. Similarly in India, Bt cotton spread on its own and performed so well that the government was eventually shamed into approving it.
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This
article is a brief history of a genetically modified food crop
that agribusiness has duped the world's poor into eating. Nobody
really knows what the long term* environmental consequences wil be.
Be worried, be very worried.
* >20,000 years. A mere eyeblink in the planet's history.
In Zambia today there are expatriate Jesuits from the United States who have come to believe genetic engineering is against God's teaching, though this is not a belief that is embraced by the Vatican. They believe that all living things, including plants, have a right not to have their genetic makeup modified.
I wish someone would do a book (or at least a good article) about
the strong Judeo-Christian philosophical links between traditional
religion and modern so-called secular environmentalism.
I will never understand the anti-science bias so many people
have. Do these people need to be dumped in some godforsaken
shithole like subSaharan Africa and have to live as subsistence
farmers before they realize how truly beneficial technology
is?
The Europeans who have convinced Africans to shun GMO should look
in the mirror each day and say, "Tonight thousands, perhaps
millions of people, men, women, children, will go hungry, but at
least their diet is organic."
Some have wondered out loud if the bt producing corn is responsible for the massive decline in honey bee numbers.
Some have wondered out loud if the bt producing corn is
responsible for the massive decline in honey bee
numbers.
Some have done actual research on the subject.
From the Mid-Atlantic Apiculture Research and Extension Consortium
(MAAREC) website FAQ. (pdf)
The current research priorities under investigation by various
members of the CCD working group, as well as other cooperators
include, but is not limited to:
• Chemical residue/contamination in the wax, food stores and
bees
• Known and unknown pathogens in the bees and brood
• Parasite load in the bees and brood
• Nutritional fitness of the adult bees
• Level of stress in adult bees as indicated by stress induced
proteins
• Lack of genetic diversity and lineage of bees
Notice anything lacking there?
Some have wondered out loud if the bt
producing corn is responsible for the massive decline in honey bee
numbers.
The science is clear, bt corn must be banned.
The book, Wealth of Nations, argues that a national average IQ of 90 forms the threshold for a technological economy. Also, according to this book, sub-Saharan African countries have an average IQ below 70. This would suggest that there is little hope for these people to develop prosperous and healthy nations.
Also, according to this book, sub-Saharan African countries
have an average IQ below 70.
Sure they do.
Terrell, without some references I'll be forced to assume that it is your IQ that is room temperature.
To Maurkov: It could very well be that my IQ is room
temperature, but it is high enough to know that an ad hominem
attack is the first defense of those without enough intelligence to
attack the idea presented.
I also can read and when I return to my post, I find there was a
reference - a book named Wealth of Nations. Granted that is not a
journal article, but these posts are hardly scholarly. If you
reject the ideas presented here, give your reasons.
Robert Paarlberg: Partly it was the strong impression made on me by my own visits to rural Africa, working with African organizations, working with USAID, working with International Food Policy Research Institute. I started visiting small farms in Africa 15 years ago. I'd seen a lot of poor farmers in Asia and Latin America but absolutely nothing like this. There was simply no uptake of any modern productivity-enhancing technologies at all in some cases. And I wondered why I hadn't been aware of this. And then, when I saw more and more narrative in the NGO community and the donor community that was frankly hostile to science, I thought "I have to put this down and write a book for younger people in the donor community who may not remember the importance of technology uptake in Asian agriculture 40 years ago."
my emphasis added
How many deaths have the activists caused? [godwin omitted] It
would be nice if some of them were brought to trial for crimes
against humanity.
@ Terrell Perry
OK, how about this? Were the IQ tests culturally neutral, so that
people from different backgrounds wouldn't face bias from the
questions? Were any inquiries made to determine if nutritional
levels were sufficient over a lifetime to provide for normal
neurological development?
In any case, it shouldn't be about "those darkies are too dumb so
fuck 'em," it should be "those people are starving so how can we
help them feed themselves."
At least IMHO.
The most hilarious thing to me about the entire anti-GM food
craze is the fact that people seem perfectly content to eat foods
randomly mutated by radiation and chemicals that contain dozens if
not hundreds of randomly mutated genes whose effects have never
been tested for.
Breeding, like all forms of selection natural or otherwise, begins
with variation and diversity in the gene pool. To accelerate the
development of new strains, researchers increase diversity by
randomly mutating seed stocks with radiation or mutagenic
chemicals. This produces new genes, which code for new proteins,
which in turn form the plant structures we eat. They then select
the mutations exhibiting the phenotypes they want and repeat the
process.
We have been doing this for over a century and every plant and most
animals you eat have been randomly mutated. Until recently, we
lacked the technology to even tell what new genes might have been
created that had no immediate or visible effect on the food
produces by mutated plants. Even now, no one looks for such
things.
To me, this demonstrates without a doubt that the anti-GM craze is
a social/political phenomenon and not a scientific one. Clearly,
randomly altered genes would poise a greater risk of unknown harm
than would genes whose provenance and proteins are well known yet
we hear not a peep about them.
Frankly, I miss the good ol' day's when leftist were unrepentant
technophiles perfectly willing to cut down entire forest to provide
material benefits for the poor.
We're going to have to fight for every technological advance from
here on out.
I would also point out that this is a good example of how wacky
political ideas are relatively harmless in a wealthy and stable
society become lethal when they spread out and contaminate less
developed societies.
In the developed west, communist were childish and annoying but
when their ideas spread out into the undeveloped societies of
Russia , China etc, they proved horrifically destructive. Likewise,
the environmental concerns of effete, pampered westerns prove mere
annoyances to the well fed and developed west but kill when they
spread to under developed Africa.
Terrell, perhaps you could begin by explaining how the Wealth of Nations, published in 1776, could discus IQ, a term coined in 1912? Then, as the book is rather long, perhaps you could direct me to the specific chapter or passage where these ideas are put forth?
Baked, thanks for the link. But that's still not quite what I
had in mind. I'm not talking about the (and I'm sorry for this)
predictable "environmentalism is a religion" meme, but something
that really looks at the philosophies of modern environmentalism,
coupled with the teachings of Jesus, and draws lines between the
minimalist message, piousness, avoiding conspicuous consumption
etc. Anything that someone strongly believes in can be likened to a
religion. What I'd like to see is someone studied on the historical
roots of Judeo-Christian history and philosophy, to tie the the
themes together.
Young's article hovers around this, but doesn't quite get at what
I've been wondering about for years.
For instance, many Christian organizations are getting on the
Global Warming bandwagon. The media seems surprised and always
reports as a phenomenon. I keep wondering why it took them so
long.
Terrell 2:24 They are not subsistence farmers because they are dumb. They are dumb because they are subsistence farmers.
Why do we bother with Africa? No, seriously: why do we invest time, money, thought, concern, *anything* in this forsaken continent? Why?
Why do we bother with Africa? No, seriously: why do we
invest time, money, thought, concern, *anything* in this forsaken
continent? Why?
"We are Borg. Resistance is futile"
There is no *WE*, Danny, only individuals.
Some have wondered out loud if the bt producing corn is responsible for the massive decline in honey bee numbers.
CCD (colony collapse disorder) is not pandemic, is localized, and
is temporary. In other words, the bees are not disappearing!
It is immoral in the extreme to condemn hundreds of millions of
human beings to starvation and agonizing death just because you
guess Bt might be responsible for a localized fluctuation
in the honeybee population.
To NeonCat: I hope you realize that you have set up a straw man
to use to attack me for something that I didn't say. I would also
like to point out that vulgarity does not help your argument. May I
suggest that you strengthen your vocabulary and logic skills before
responding to posts in "REASON."
However, NeonCat, you do have one valid point. It is possible that
the IQ tests were not culturally neutral. Below is a link to book
in question. You can make that decision.
To Maurkov: The full title of the book is IQ and the Wealth of
Nations - a link is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iq_and_the_wealth_of_nations. There
are also reviews in Amazon.
To rebarbarian: My ancestors for as many generations as I can find
were subsistence farmers, yet they seemed to be able to care for
themselves. And as far as I can determine, none starved to death.
None, as I can find, was a Luddite. They produced a progeny (me)
that can take care of himself and who can also read and
write.
What I find interesting is that I simply presented a theory of
another person as a possible cause of Africa's misery. I expected
it to be a point for further discussion. If it were not true, I
expected intelligent logical rebuttals. Instead, I find myself
being attacked as a racist abet with others' nonsensical arguments.
Is it possible, even here on REASON, that some ideas are not up for
discussion because some undesirable/politically incorrect truth may
be discovered?
Paul,
I agree, a book investigating the link between Judeo-Christianity
and modern radical environmentalism is a good idea. I have long
noticed a not-so-subtle connection between the puritanicalism of
the Testaments and the tacit puritanical and secular churchiness of
the radical enviros as well as even sometimes the nanny-state
variety of liberals. While it's no longer cool to bash gays for
their lifestyle, it's just fine to go after heterosexuals who
aren't monogamous or who pay for sex. Smoking cannot be tolerated
in any circumstances. The environment must retained in an absolute
pristine state. Pornography needs supervision, or elimination, by
the deacons of the state, drugs and fattening foods need to be
controlled or banned, etc. etc. In short, the nanny-state liberals
and the radical environmentalists are some of the most officious,
finger wagging, churchy people around.
P.S. I've also wondered if there could be some link between
Disney's anthropomorphism of animals and modern radical
environmentalists (many who grew up on Disney and the presentations
from the company where man is always depicted as the black hat and
animals are depicted in the most benign way).
I don't have a problem with genetically modified crops, but I don't approve of how some legal issues surrounding them are handled here in the US. Mr. Paarlberg reassures us that there are no environmental concerns if a transgenic plant fertilizes a nearby field. What he doesn't mention is that the owner of the nearby field can now likely look forward to a lawsuit from the owner of the gene-modded plant's patent for 'stealing' the modified plant. And along the same line the patents on gene-modded crops typically mean that you can't save seed, you have to buy it all every year from the patent holder. Something a poor farmer in Africa might be concerned about, yes?
No doubt "Anonymous Coward". There are court cases where this
has happened.
http://www.percyschmeiser.com/
Maybe this link will work click or copy & paste:
http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Versus+Monsanto&spell=1
I think that it has more to do with politics than science. Money
more than feeding people.
@ Terrell Perry
Gosh, Terrell, I sure am sorry I'm not smart enough to put into
proper words that you brought up what is ultimately a completely
irrelevant point, namely whether people in Africa are just too dumb
to feed themselves.
Sometimes vulgarity is called for, especially with irrelevant
arguments. Since you know absolutely nothing about me…
You know what? The hell with it (oops, more vulgarity!). I don't
give a shit if you are racist or just some smug Rand-reading SOB. I
stand by my point: whether they are complete morons or not, they
shouldn't have to starve because of ignorant jackasses in the EU or
because some damn book says they're, on a national average, too
dumb to make a technological society. You brought up a subject and
are hiding behind the genteel mask of, gosh, I didn't write it, I
just thought it was a good point to debate, and you shouldn't use
such vulgar language in the august pages of Reason magazine's
discussion boards.
Maybe that's all you had to contribute to the discussion - an
irrelevance which, frankly, did not reflect well on you, unless you
were trolling, in which case I apologize to everyone else for
feeding the troll.
How is it that they could feed themselves for hundreds of thousands of years until now?
I don't know what Dr Perry was intending with his unfortunately worded remarks but he has some impressive credentials.
Neoncat: If you wish a response to your post, respond to the
base premise, and try to write with logic and intelligence.
Otherwise, my last response to you is still valid.
PS: Not very good that you are so angry at someone you know nothing
about - would it not be better that you get a life?
Hi Nutter, Since I try to think very carefully about every thing
I say, I am not know what "unfortunately worded remarks" you are
referring to. Regards, Terrell
PS Thanks, for the complement.
@Terrell Perry:
I don't think Adam Smith mentioned IQ in his book. In fact, I don't
think the concept of IQ was even conceived of at the time
(1776).
For your reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_nations
Terrell, I don't know whether it's a coincidence that you
originally misidentified the book. The Wealth of Nations is a
libertarian staple so your mistake was either wildly unfortunate or
deep trolling.
The wikipedia link points out many problems with the data set, so I
don't believe it is accurate. As I haven't read the book, (and
likely won't, since I doubt the premise) perhaps you could explain
how the author concluded that a certain average IQ is required for
a technological society? Since the number of Americans that really
understand the technology they use daily is rather small, even if
the data are correct, I have my doubts on the conclusion. A high IQ
would help develop new technologies, but even a moron (IQ 50-69)
can use existing tech. Even if the average IQ is low, a couple of
standard deviations can still put individuals into 'developing new
technologies' ballpark.
Finally, even if the premise and the conclusion are conclusion are
accurate, the Flynn Effect says there's plenty of hope. Unless
you're a dirty racist.
(Hey, look. I can poison the well, too.)
Found at Gristmill:
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/3/27/95332/6053
"For years, industrial-food enthusiasts such as Norman Borlaug
have attacked organic farming on two grounds: 1) it produces
essentially the same nutritional results as chemical-intensive
farming, and 2) it's less productive.
Both of those criticisms are crumbling. This month, the Organic
Center released a "state of science" analysis of peer-reviewed
studies comparing the nutritional content of organically and
conventionally grown veggies. Organic wins by a substantial
margin."
The above has more links and stuff.
I have no idea what's true in this stuff. I am concerned about
patent abuse from GMOs. But it would be nice if Reason would
actually take a look at the technologies organic-agriculture
employ. Mostly Reason seems to wish away organics with FUD-class
interviews with anti-organic pundits.
@Sam-Hec:
There's a big difference between "chemical-intensive farming" and
GM crops.
If you read this interview you can see that one kind of GM crop
allows pest control without chemicals.
I'm all for letting science sort out what works best, but claims of
"peer-reviewed studies" need to be examined carefully.
If "organic" farming truly is more efficient then I'm sure that all
farmers will rush to adopt it. Why would they use less efficient
methods, especially if they can sell "organic" produce for a higher
price?
Thank you Maurkov. That was an intelligently written and logical
rebuttal. In general, I tend, however, to believe the results
presented in the book. It offers an explanation for the abject
poverty of these nations. I have found no other reason that I find
to be plausible. If the premise is true, then we are wasting time
and money using current policies trying to help. Certainly more
true scientific research is called for, and if the premise is true,
then we should research how best to help them. The author's of the
book conclude: "The rich countries' economic aid programs for the
poor countries should be continued and some of these should be
directed at attempting to increase the intelligence levels of the
populations of the poorer countries by improvements in nutrition
and the like." Again thanks, for the rebuttal.
It was unfortunate that when I posted, I simply dropped words from
the title of the book I was referring to. It was a mistake. At my
age, one really should not be in a hurry. But all of us seems to be
in a bit of a hurry, for example, the title of Smith's book is
actually: An Inquiry into the Nature And Causes of the Wealth of
Nations - not just Wealth of Nations.
Tim wrote:
"I'm all for letting science sort out what works best, but
claims of "peer-reviewed studies" need to be examined
carefully.
If "organic" farming truly is more efficient then I'm sure that all
farmers will rush to adopt it. Why would they use less efficient
methods, especially if they can sell "organic" produce for a higher
price?"
I would like Ron Bailey and friends to actually look at these
claims of peer reviewed science of organic farming. To wit I have
regularly pointed out these existing claims for about a year now,
and have yet to see as much.
Im a Free Market, the more efficient methods will be adopted. Given
that we don't have the luxury of an agricultural market free from
political interference...
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