David Weigel from the April 2008 issue
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At press time we don’t know how many primary votes Paul won or when he’ll make his next career decision: whether to jump from the GOP or seek an 11th term in Congress. There is strong sentiment for him to run on an independent or third-party ticket. “I came to this from the Libertarian Party,” Paul worker Victor Germann told me on election night in New Hampshire. “I’m used to long shots and disappointments.”
One of the campaign’s slogans, seen on signs in every primary state, is “Dr. Paul cured my apathy.” Paradoxically, Paul’s influence might be greater if the candidate plays a smaller role in what comes next. If the people who sniped at the campaign’s strategy stay involved in politics, the tiny population of libertarian activists will be that much larger for years or even decades to come. But if it’s electoral totals and political strategy that define the rEVOLution, the movement is as good as over.
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I thought the rEVOLution was pretty strong on domestic policy, but Dr. Paul's call for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq left a lot of unanswered questions. Although, I would still take him over any other candidate put forth by the major parties.
I suppose that this was written a while ago, but still. None of this is news. I don't see any rEVOLution except for my own personal one to empathy from apathy (for politics). I'm glad I can finally understand why people bother to give a care.
Would Paul have won more votes in New Hampshire, vaulting
him to a better position in subsequent states, with a more foreign
policy-based libertarian message?
I don't doubt it. I can't understand who thought campaigning as a
Republican just like all the other Republicans was a good idea.
What the r3VOLution accomplished, was to demonstrate that there is
a sizable and passionate libertarian segment of the American
populous. We are hungry for a leader to rally behind. If anyone
steps forward prepared to carry our flag and not just pay us lip
service, he can count on that fierce support.
We need grassroots groups all over the country trying to
influence local and state issues through Republican, Democrat, and
Libertarian politics and non-partisan coalitions that come together
for a common cause. It was clear the vast majority of voters had
little sense of or regard for the core libertarian conservative
positions that Ron Paul too. So this can't just be an activist
movement without education.
And it just may take fifty years to win.
The funny thing is that the article did not answer one burning
question...what is next for the Ron Paul rEVOLution?
http://www.jeffwartman.com/2008/03/ron-paul-suspends-presidential-race.html
Once again, Reason is letting their support for corporate
welfare get in their way.
RP could have picked up a lot of support on the IllegalImmigration
issue, and the only people he would have lost would have been some
cosmos and some useful idiots. But, he hardly discussed that, he
didn't call his opponents on it, and he didn't explain why it was
important. So, yeah, if all you do is put out a TV ad without
explaining why that position is right and your opponents' is wrong,
then it doesn't work.
As for going ahead, any RP supporters that want to clean up
politics and the media should go to public appearances by the
candidates and ask the questions the MSM - and cosmos - are afraid
to ask.
An excellent question you can ask McCain is here.
Driving down McCain's popularity will make a third party run by RP
much more likely.
Paul won't be able to emulate Dean's relative success because
Dean was always a relative political moderate.
This from Left Conservative seems appropriate:
Reason Magazine, Populism and Ron Paul: An essay on the idiocy of
the "libertines".
It's an interesting question...my thought is that a third of Paul supporters will go libertarian, a thrird will stay in the Republican party and fight for it to return to its roots, and a third will drop out altogether. I don't think Ron will ever be the RNC chair, but as he himself pointed out he's no longer just a blip on the radar. And really, that's what the whole campaign was supposed to be about, advancing an idea. Overall I don't think we did half bad.
My big question is how many of RP's supporters were interested
based solely on his Iraq position. As the truest of the anti-war
candidates, my suspicion was that he got a fair amount of support
from left-leaners who wouldn't necessarily support other aspects of
libertarian ideology. Hopefully, I'm wrong about that.
The Howard Dean analogy is definitely overdone, but there have to
be some ideas that can be used in the future. However, things that
worked for RP, as the most prominent libertarian officeholder in
America, may not be so effective for Joe/Jane Candidate.
I do agree with Warren that RP's candidacy demonstrated that a
constituency exists for at least some of the libertarian message.
Perhaps the best thing to come out of a Democratic landslide in
November would be a rethink by the GOP. Republicans win when they
promise to "get government off our backs," even if they don't
really mean it.
I supported RP mainly because of his Iraq position.
His FRB cloying smacked of lunacy (until a workable alternative is
proposed). His support of an "originalist" SCOTUS is insane. But
his cutting spending is paramount and the military is the only
reasonable place to start.
So I support the ACLU, no war/militarism and small government -
that leaves Obama - goddamnit!!!!
Ah, yes. The small government that will give health care to everyone. Will they be nanobots a la iRobot?
yeah, Danny. Obama is two up (civil liberty and no war) on
McCain already.
And with a $3 trillion whacking of the budget from pulling the plug
on the ridiculous war I will take my chances on his un-mandated
health care plan (since Bush led the way with Pharma
Welfare).
You got nothing, bud.
Except an old fool like McCain and an insult. Crawl in a hole
now.
You lose.
lol. Actually I'm pretty down with Obama, but I think universal health care is a joke. I really just wanted to throw out that comment in passing. I'd like McCain more if he wasn't such a warmonger. Oh well, I'll still be writing in Ron Paul in November. I don't want to give anybody a vote that I don't think deserves it, and he's pretty much it.
sorry Danny. I have no patience with knee-jerk GOP men.
My first choice was RP.
Its too logical - who will spend more?
A unitary (unchecked warmonger) or a checked by Congress war-hater
pro Uni-Healthcare man?
Congress has no input on war spending (per Cheney) they DO on
healthcare.
Score Obama. Total world war should be avoided.
Plus, I get civil liberties.
Done deal - no brainder!
I understand. I'm younger and have been a libertarian for a very
short period, so I'm less cynical than most (though I fully
understand their spite).
Also, my hand is kind of in the cookie jar with McCain--I work for
a government contractor. I won't support him, but I won't be
disappointed to be keeping my job and keep making my house
payments.
That cookie jar reference is probably way off, but whatever. It's Monday. I've got all week to wake up.
"His FRB cloying smacked of lunacy (until a workable alternative
is proposed)."
Umm, RP's workable alternative is to legalize competing currencies.
As Chuck D once said, "Don't tell me that you understand, until you
hear the man." Of course Chuck was talking about Farrakhan, but
it's still a good line.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul434.html
As a life long libertarian, now in my 40s, my wife and I are
engaged like many others (Alaska, Oklahoma, and others) in working
locally to effect change in the Republican Party. We are pushing
hard against the neocon machinery, and will throw every wrench
available into it and kill it. Dr. Paul always said that the
message is more important than the man.
As for all the Obama switchers, Obama is fraud. He is a globalist,
elitist, bought and paid for NAU/CFR/UN do-gooder that will tax us
into oblivion. Just look at his UN tax bill introduced by him in
the Senate to pay for Millenium Goals.
Whoever is elected in the fall will drive this ship into the reef!
I will vote for the Libertarian Candidate or will write in Ron
Paul. That is the only way I will be able to sleep at night and
keep my conscience clean.
You will know that Ron Paul is a serious contender for anything more a Texas congressional seat when revelations about his ghastly newsletters make some mainstream ripples.
Frank - I will look that up. I was under the impression that the
gold standard was his solution.
Danny - You are very logical. Keep it up.
Big news night this evening.... ugghhh - gotta get cynical on some
equity now.
Buckaroo - until the GOP is flushed clean of the neocons and
theocons you are pissing into a headwind. You are battling 70% of
the party and they are all fucking unhinged and deranged.
Good luck
The majority of voters still labor under the illusion that the Federal Government can solve our problems, all we have to do is get the right people in office. During the next 5 years, they will find out the hard way that this is not the case. It was good for Ron Paul to set the stage for the impending depression.
NeoCon's reuined the republic position.
Ron Paul is the one and only candidate who represents the
foundation that our country was founded on and THAT is what is
important to me.
What is funny, is that I have been a life long Democrat. Now, since
I have learned so much from listening to Ron Paul, I've seen the
error of my ways. EDUCATE AMERICA!! Restore the Rebublic!
I don't think his pandering to the Tancredoites was his problem,
the basic fact of the matter is his campaign was incompetent. It
really was.
I would like to read a story about how incompetent they really
were.
But I do believe this revolution is much bigger than the Dean
movement, the Dean movement didn't have core values that made him
unique. I think it was media driven, but what do I know. I think
Paul's movement will be more like that of Barry Goldwater.
Just thought I would put in my two cents and say I have never seen such a munipulation of the press to try and kill something in my live. I feel there is a fear, a real fear for anyone that could have seen the CNN and distorded it as the news media has, is either blind or scared of what can happen if the revolution continues on and a choice of the people is made with an intelligent study and unbias choice in what is truly good for the country.
If there's so much libertarian energy out there, why can't they revitalize the Libertarian Party, maybe by getting a candidate good enough to do as well as in 1980 (when they got 1% of the vote, their all time high- despite having to compete with Reagan!)
Because libertarians would rather braid their pony tails their
own way than win elections.
You know, the war on drugs just has to be a huge, top of the
platform plank. And don't forget the gold standard, even if it's a
sure-fired way to make everyone think you're a lunatic.
And forget the fact that fully socialized medicine and the carbon
tax are going to do more long term damage to the US economy than
Iraq will ever do. It's the principle man, damn the
torpedos, you gotta be against war. And you gotta do it
right in the middle of the Republican primaries......even if it's
sure political suicide.
Libertarians cannot win for one simple reason: they aren't
completely sane.
Time to face up, people. The depth and strength of "libertarian
energy" can be measured directly by just how far Ron Paul
got.
The next best thing you're ever going to see is Reagan.
I was under the impression that the gold standard was his
solution.
He points out, correctly, that the constitution prohibits the
goverment and the states from issuing a fiat currency. It does not,
however, prohibit private parties from issuing whatever scrip they
can get people to accept.
-jcr
The majority of voters still labor under the illusion that
the Federal Government can solve our problems, all we have to do is
get the right people in office.
DG has hit the nail on the head with that, but don't expect them to
wake up to the reality in 5 years, or 8 years, or ever. The voters
have no memory, it is completely erased every election cycle as far
as I can tell.
The education process has to take place outside of any election
cycle or candidate.
It appears to me that Ron Paul ran a campaign designed not to win but to expand his saleable donor/subscription lists, also threafter to be used for post-retirement newsletter, his descendants' college funds, and any reelection campaigns.
unduly cynical:
It's not like RP didn't actually work his tail off to do those
things. He did it by trying to spread the great message of freedom.
He certainly could have done better, but I think he did pretty damn
good. He deserves any kind of follow-on support he gets IMO.
Is Reason allowing itself to print something mildly pleasant about Ron Paul now that he is out of the race? I thought he was a white sheeted rascist? Reason sucks
The abstract for this article is: "In his column from the new
issue of reason, David Weigel looks at the possible paths forward
for the Ron Paul rEVOLution."
What a joke. Weigel did you get paid for this shit? It's obvious
that all you did was surf a few Ron Paul sites, steal the title,
steal a few paragraphs, come to no conclusions and make no
suggestions. You certainly did not look at "possible paths
forward".
C'mon, you paleos from LewRockwell.com need to cool it on the
"Reason Sucks" stuff. If you have not noticed, there's a variety
libertarian opinion at Reason -- some more friendly to RP than
others. The fact that the reason blog allows open comments shows
that they are much more comfortable with a variety of opinions than
other places may be.
Given the pathetic state of the Republican Party, I think that in
many cases there is a chance to breathe new life in to the
GOP.
But, the fact is, you won't be able to walk in to your local GOP
organization and make it clear that you are a libertarian radical
or that you are a Ron Paul supporter. You'll have to sell yourself
as a Reagan Republican of the 1980 variety. If you feel like
flirting with danger you can mention Goldwater and see what kind of
reaction you get.
If you do this you'll also end up being frustrated as hell. You'll
have to mix with bible thumpers, drug warriors, xenophobes,
nationalists, political hacks, frat boys, and a lot of other people
who would not know lady liberty if she sat on their faces.
The only way to keep your sanity would be to live a dual life.
(Imagine how one might live being atheist in a southern town.) By
day you work within the system. By night you commune with your
fellow radicals.
BTR
Here's a great video for those interested in
discussing the Federal Reserve, the gold standard, etc.:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
I have never seen such a munipulation of the press to try
and kill something in my live. I feel there is a fear, a real fear
for anyone that could have seen the CNN and distorded it as the
news media has
Ok, I'm officially fed up with all this "MSM
ignored/destroyed/feared Ron Paul" bullshit.
Frankly, for a 3rd tier candidate with a fringe platform, he got a
fair amount of media coverage, probably more than warranted, and
mostly favorable or at least tolerant.
Sure you can find plenty of examples of
inaccuracies/bias/omissions/distortions too. Just like for all the
other candidates.
Fact remains, Ron Paul's campaign was never newsworthy enough to
warrant the kind of coverage lavished upon Hillbama, McWar, the
other one time "front runners"...
And in spite of this, they covered the moneybombs, the NYTimes did
a front page magazine article on him, he was on the Time and GQ
man-of-the-year lists, he was on Jay Leno (TWICE), The Daily Show,
Colbert Report, CNN repeatedly, and etc. Can you say the same about
Tancredo, Kucinich, Hunter, Keyes, and the other "also-rans" during
the primaries?
Plus, when the juicy newsletter story resurfaced, most of the MSM
gave him a huge pass on it... only CNN covered it and only briefly,
and he wasn't even asked about it at any of the subsequent debates
-- even by FOX News!
Huckabee won Iowa, so he earned the coverage he got. Ron Paul
didn't win shit. So he got shit coverage from the MSM.
That's just life, folks. No conspiracy. Better luck next time.
Yep, he shouldn't have gone for the asshole vote because those folks usually love war as much as they hate Mexicans. Thus the prospect of Paul must have been mighty confusing for them.
Ron Paul was running an anti-war, anti-illegal immigration, anti-federal bureaucracy, but otherwise pro-Libertarian campaign. In other words, he was running as Pat Buchanan with a smiley face. The way forward should therefore be clear: finding a major mainstream issue to better distinguish libertarians from paleoconservatives.
Nowhere does it mention in this article that Ron Paul's strategic failure started and blossomed when he decided that teaming up with LHR and pandering to racists, nationalists, survivalists, etc...could help bolster his voluntarily small income as an "honest" congressman.
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