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|1.18.08 @ 9:00AM|#
As long as it doesn't become a Clinton/Obama ticket, I can enjoy
the spectacle of watching competing liberal guilt sources grind up
against each other.
"Assuage civil rights guilt or deal a blow to the patriarchy? Oh,
noes!"
Delicious.
toast with burn marx|1.18.08 @ 9:16AM|#
SugarFree, I haven't given that any thought, but it's an
interesting angle: if the donkey electorate winds up with only
"civil rights" candidates, then one could argue without too much
exaggeration that they are choosing to vote against a group (call
it a "class") who are supposed to have wronged the groups
("classes") to which the candidates (paternalists) belong. So
that's where all that class warfare stuff comes from!
Bipartisanship disclaimer: of course the other party can't decide
whether they want to increase government, expand government, or
both.
|1.18.08 @ 9:26AM|#
toast with burn marx,
Well, the GOP doesn't have it much better. Look at the major
candidates they have left... a robot, a warmonger tin-pot dictator,
a crazed grandpa, an ex-preacher urging talibanocracy.
I honestly can't imagine what goes on in the mind of someone who is
actually excited to vote for any of these jokers (D or
R.)
jackanapestarian|1.18.08 @ 9:32AM|#
You know things are bad when, in retrospect, soft-shelled things
like Humphrey,
Mondale and Dole seem like giants.
LarryA|1.18.08 @ 10:00AM|#
I keep telling myself that 2012 has to reverse
the trend in candidates. There's no place to go
but up.
Of course that's what I used to say about 2008.
|1.18.08 @ 10:05AM|#
a robot, a warmonger tin-pot dictator, a crazed grandpa, an
ex-preacher urging talibanocracy
Ok, now that doesn't really narrow it down much. Which one of these
is supposed to be which candidate? ;)
|1.18.08 @ 10:07AM|#
As long as it doesn't become a Clinton/Obama ticket, I can
enjoy the spectacle of watching competing liberal guilt sources
grind up against each other.
So if having a black and woman candidate leading the Democratic
race tells us a great deal about the internal thought process of
Democrats, then the litany of white men once again competing for
the Republican nomination tells us...?
|1.18.08 @ 10:07AM|#
Also, I don't find it terribly funny because I actually watched
the news last night while at the gym. Holy bejesers it's a
segregated race.
Did anyone else see the recent poll where John Edwards has more of
the white vote than Barak Obama, but only 2% of the black vote?
Wow.
Episiarch|1.18.08 @ 10:10AM|#
So if having a black and woman candidate leading the
Democratic race tells us a great deal about the internal thought
process of Democrats, then the litany of white men once again
competing for the Republican nomination tells us...?
TEAM RED TEAM BLUE GO TEAM GO
|1.18.08 @ 10:13AM|#
Funny, Episiarch, you didn't write that about the original,
anti-Democrat comment. Just the anti-Republican comment that
mirrored it. Again. Like you always do.
You actually think you're objective, don't you?
Episiarch|1.18.08 @ 10:18AM|#
You actually think you're objective, don't you?
Absolutely. I am focused on the "objective" of getting a rise out
of you.
Kolohe|1.18.08 @ 10:28AM|#
Chris Bok has found his voice. Much better than much of the weak-ass stuff that has come before.
|1.18.08 @ 11:01AM|#
To be precise, I was making fun of white guilt more than I was really going after Democrats. Just because they are the party of white guilt is really quite incidental.
|1.18.08 @ 11:04AM|#
Truly, it's a character flaw to desire the end of white, male monopoly on power.
|1.18.08 @ 11:15AM|#
I predict an Obama-Edwards Dem ticket. They will win unless the GOP ticket advocates a clear agenda of smaller government including plans to bring our troops home from Iraq.
|1.18.08 @ 11:18AM|#
"I predict an Obama-Edwards Dem ticket"
For that to happen, Obama needs to win and I'm afraid he won't
unless Edwards pulls out and stops dividing the anti-Hillary
votes.
|1.18.08 @ 11:20AM|#
"Truly, it's a character flaw to desire the end of white, male
monopoly on power."
Is it a character flaw to have a desire to see the end of the
Bush/Clinton monopoly on power?
R C Dean|1.18.08 @ 11:21AM|#
Truly, it's a character flaw to desire the end of white,
male monopoly on power.
Using collectivist/tribal means of identity politics to achieve
this end is, indeed, a character flaw.
|1.18.08 @ 11:23AM|#
Oh, good Lord no, CJ!
If Hillary and Obama split Nevada and South Carolina, we're right
back to square one, with no frontrunner and Edwards still in
it.
I can't believe we have two nomination campaigns that could end up
at the convention.
Tim|1.18.08 @ 11:24AM|#
I can't wait until the jew jumps in the race. It takes a black to transcend race, a woman to transcend gender, and a jew to transcend our fear of DNA databases.
|1.18.08 @ 11:24AM|#
Using collectivist/tribal means of identity politics to
achieve this end is, indeed, a character flaw.
As is assuming such a thing is happening whenever someone supports
a candidate that isn't white, male, and Christian.
R C Dean|1.18.08 @ 12:17PM|#
As is assuming such a thing is happening whenever someone
supports a candidate that isn't white, male, and
Christian.
Who is assuming that? Protesting a little too much, joe? ;)
Although I would say that anyone who thinks there is still some
kind of white male monopoly on power in this country isn't paying
attention. I look around, myself, and see lots of non-white and
non-male folks holding all sorts of serious governmental positions
in this country. At the federal level alone:
Blacks and women on the Supreme Court? Check.
Blacks and women holding cabinet positions, including Secretary of
State? Check.
Blacks and women serving as commitee chairs and even majority
leader? Check.
|1.18.08 @ 12:49PM|#
I like how Ron Paul is Satan incarnate for letting an asshole have editorial control of his newsletter 15 years ago but when Hillary says a weeks ago not to vote for Oboma cuz he is black and a black man will not get elected, Joe doesn't blink an eye.
|1.18.08 @ 12:53PM|#
RC,
Who is assuming that?
How about everybody who writes that "white guilt" is the driving
force behind Obama's candidacy?
Ah, joshua, "Yoor a racist for noticing my racism," again.
Yawn.
Sure, "there are racist poeple out there" is exactly the same as
"black people are dangerous and inferior." Exactly.
You know what makes a race card effective, joshua? Actually giving
a shit about racism.
the statist|1.18.08 @ 1:32PM|#
What he didn't include Wrong Pauls 10% polling?! Wrong Paul is the only hope for America! We need his non-libertarian ideas on a closed border now!
R C Dean|1.18.08 @ 1:37PM|#
How about everybody who writes that "white guilt" is the
driving force behind Obama's candidacy?
Sure, but that ain't me. I think the driving force behind Obama is
Anybody But Hillary.
|1.18.08 @ 2:31PM|#
Evan if Obama doesn't have enough votes for nomination going in,
I think that he'll make a deal with Edwards and Edwards will
extract the veep gig for himself as quid pro quo. Also, lotsa Dem
senators are out to support Obama.
Hillary will have to have a political bomb drop on Obama to stop
him. It's gonna be fun watching her so desperate. She could say or
try just about anything.
|1.18.08 @ 2:35PM|#
...Look for the Queen of Deception to work with Fox and the neocon propaganda nexus to try to stop Obama.
|1.18.08 @ 2:41PM|#
So if having a black and woman candidate leading the Democratic race tells us a great deal about the internal thought process of Democrats, then the litany of white men once again competing for the Republican nomination tells us...?
That the Republicans are racist? You are reading a Libertarian
blog, joe. Republican baiting doesn't work here. We could give a
shit if you diss Republicans... in fact many people here are going
to vote Democrat as long as "The Woman" doesn't get
nominated.
Truly, it's a character flaw to desire the end of white, male monopoly on power.
Not in and of itself. If the desire to end white, male monopoly on
power causes you to act irrationally in trying to achieve your
goals, then yes, it is a character flaw.
If you are voting for Obama or Clinton hoping to crush the white
male patriarchy, I think you are going to be sadely
disappointed.
|1.18.08 @ 2:46PM|#
You know what makes a race card effective, joshua? Actually
giving a shit about racism.
Soo it is the deep deep caring about racism of one strong white
woman that will....well will keep a black man from becoming the
democrats nominee for president.
Wow joe my hat is off to you....it has been awhile since i have
seen so much bullshit.
But i like how this all works out that Hillary is trying to
convince her party to keep the racists voting democrat....fucking
beautiful.
|1.18.08 @ 3:00PM|#
"Evan if Obama doesn't have enough votes for nomination going
in, I think that he'll make a deal with Edwards and Edwards will
extract the veep gig for himself as quid pro quo."
That may be why Edwards is sticking in there, hoping for some deal
like VP or some high level cabinet position like Attorney General.
Or could it be that Hillary has already offered him something if he
stays in to split the anti-Hillary vote?
Ventifact|1.18.08 @ 4:41PM|#
At the federal level alone:
Blacks and women on the Supreme Court? Check.
Blacks and women holding cabinet positions, including Secretary of State? Check.
Blacks and women serving as commitee chairs and even majority leader? Check.
Ah, but those aren't "real" blacks and women. They aren't promoting
an agenda we associate with the anticipated "true" rise of
minorities to significant power -- i.e. they are not behaving the
way we expect blacks and women of power to behave.
Hmm, looks like there may in fact be some collectivism going on
here...
|1.18.08 @ 5:20PM|#
I have a question: has anyone ever observed joshua corning
making a substantive contribution to a discussion?
Seriously, can anyone point me to thread that was better becasue he
was on it?
R C Dean|1.18.08 @ 5:28PM|#
So if having a black and woman candidate leading the
Democratic race tells us a great deal about the internal thought
process of Democrats, then the litany of white men once again
competing for the Republican nomination tells us...?
Umm, no Republican ex-president has a megalomaniacal wife?
Colin Powell decided long ago not to run for elective office, and
has seen no reason to regret that decision?
|1.18.08 @ 5:42PM|#
Easy there, R C.
I wasn't accusing the GOP of anything, just blowing a big hole in
the middle of the argument that the Democrats must be in the throes
of "white guilt" and "male guilt" because the leading candidates
are a woman and an African-American.
|1.18.08 @ 6:08PM|#
Seriously, anyone? Anyone?
"joshua corning made a lot of good points on the" something
"thread, and the conversation really benefitted. I'm really glad he
comments here."
Anyone? Anywhere? Little help here.
Sean W. Malone|1.19.08 @ 4:21AM|#
Can anyone remember the last time Joe made a substantive contribution to any thread? I mean... one where his points weren't just the smug leftist dribble we all come to expect?
Sean W. Malone|1.19.08 @ 4:29AM|#
heh... yeah, anyway there's really not much to discuss is there?
The democrats spend as much time playing identity politics as the
republicans do playing "who's tougher on trrrrrrr".
That said, I've had innumerable discussions with people who seem to
honestly believe that in order to prove to the world that race
& gender don't matter to American voters, they need to vote not
on merit but on race or gender. That is a bit of a robot killer to
me.
I actually talked to one dude who said that he didn't trust Hillary
at all but was planning to vote for her because "we need a woman
president". Smooth.
|1.19.08 @ 11:02AM|#
Funny you should ask, Sean, this was posted just hours before
you:
Regis Carnifex | January 18, 2008, 7:06pm | #
Srsly, have you noticed how much I stick out like a sore thumb on
these threads?
A budding young libertarian myself, I have to say that joe is
definitely a major factor drawing me back to these threads. Thanks,
joe, for intruding rudely, and often eloquently, on the H&R
echo chamber!
I get a lot of that, actually. But thanks so much for asking.
Sean W. Malone|1.19.08 @ 11:41AM|#
Hehe... rude and eloquent are all well and good but
"substantial" is something else now isn't it.
I rescind my earlier jab though Joe - without you around the boards
would be a lot less amusing. Marketplace of ideas is a keystone
after all.
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