Gun Control's Twisted Outcome

Restricting firearms has helped make England more crime-ridden than the U.S.

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During the debate over the Prevention of Crime Act in the House of Commons, a member from Northern Ireland told his colleagues of a woman employed by Parliament who had to cross a lonely heath on her route home and had armed herself with a knitting needle. A month earlier, she had driven off a youth who tried to snatch her handbag by jabbing him "on a tender part of his body." Was it to be an offense to carry a knitting needle? The attorney general assured the M.P. that the woman might be found to have a reasonable excuse but added that the public should be discouraged "from going about with offensive weapons in their pockets; it is the duty of society to protect them."

Another M.P. pointed out that while "society ought to undertake the defense of its members, nevertheless one has to remember that there are many places where society cannot get, or cannot get there in time. On those occasions a man has to defend himself and those whom he is escorting. It is not very much consolation that society will come forward a great deal later, pick up the bits, and punish the violent offender."

In the House of Lords, Lord Saltoun argued: "The object of a weapon was to assist weakness to cope with strength and it is this ability that the bill was framed to destroy. I do not think any government has the right, though they may very well have the power, to deprive people for whom they are responsible of the right to defend themselves." But he added: "Unless there is not only a right but also a fundamental willingness amongst the people to defend themselves, no police force, however large, can do it."

That willingness was further undermined by a broad revision of criminal law in 1967 that altered the legal standard for self-defense. Now everything turns on what seems to be "reasonable" force against an assailant, considered after the fact. As Glanville Williams notes in his Textbook of Criminal Law, that requirement is "now stated in such mitigated terms as to cast doubt on whether it [self-defense] still forms part of the law."

The original common law standard was similar to what still prevails in the U.S. Americans are free to carry articles for their protection, and in 33 states law-abiding citizens may carry concealed guns. Americans may defend themselves with deadly force if they believe that an attacker is about to kill or seriously injure them, or to prevent a violent crime. Our courts are mindful that, as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes observed, "detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an upraised knife."

But English courts have interpreted the 1953 act strictly and zealously. Among articles found illegally carried with offensive intentions are a sandbag, a pickaxe handle, a stone, and a drum of pepper. "Any article is capable of being an offensive weapon," concede the authors of Smith and Hogan Criminal Law, a popular legal text, although they add that if the article is unlikely to cause an injury the onus of proving intent to do so would be "very heavy."

The 1967 act has not been helpful to those obliged to defend themselves either. Granville Williams points out: "For some reason that is not clear, the courts occasionally seem to regard the scandal of the killing of a robber as of greater moment than the safety of the robber's victim in respect of his person and property."

A sampling of cases illustrates the impact of these measures:

� In 1973 a young man running on a road at night was stopped by the police and found to be carrying a length of steel, a cycle chain, and a metal clock weight. He explained that a gang of youths had been after him. At his hearing it was found he had been threatened and had previously notified the police. The justices agreed he had a valid reason to carry the weapons. Indeed, 16 days later he was attacked and beaten so badly he was hospitalized. But the prosecutor appealed the ruling, and the appellate judges insisted that carrying a weapon must be related to an imminent and immediate threat. They sent the case back to the lower court with directions to convict.

� In 1987 two men assaulted Eric Butler, a 56-year-old British Petroleum executive, in a London subway car, trying to strangle him and smashing his head against the door. No one came to his aid. He later testified, "My air supply was being cut off, my eyes became blurred, and I feared for my life." In desperation he unsheathed an ornamental sword blade in his walking stick and slashed at one of his attackers, stabbing the man in the stomach. The assailants were charged with wounding. Butler was tried and convicted of carrying an offensive weapon.

� In 1994 an English homeowner, armed with a toy gun, managed to detain two burglars who had broken into his house while he called the police. When the officers arrived, they arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten or intimidate. In a similar incident the following year, when an elderly woman fired a toy cap pistol to drive off a group of youths who were threatening her, she was arrested for putting someone in fear. Now the police are pressing Parliament to make imitation guns illegal.

� In 1999 Tony Martin, a 55-year-old Norfolk farmer living alone in a shabby farmhouse, awakened to the sound of breaking glass as two burglars, both with long criminal records, burst into his home. He had been robbed six times before, and his village, like 70 percent of rural English communities, had no police presence. He sneaked downstairs with a shotgun and shot at the intruders. Martin received life in prison for killing one burglar, 10 years for wounding the second, and a year for having an unregistered shotgun. The wounded burglar, having served 18 months of a three-year sentence, is now free and has been granted �5,000 of legal assistance to sue Martin.

The failure of English policy to produce a safer society is clear, but what of British jibes about "America's vigilante values" and our much higher murder rate?

Historically, America has had a high homicide rate and England a low one. In a comparison of New York and London over a 200-year period, during most of which both populations had unrestricted access to firearms, historian Eric Monkkonen found New York's homicide rate consistently about five times London's. Monkkonen pointed out that even without guns, "the United States would still be out of step, just as it has been for two hundred years."

Legal historian Richard Maxwell Brown has argued that Americans have more homicides because English law insists an individual should retreat when attacked, whereas Americans believe they have the right to stand their ground and kill in self-defense. Americans do have more latitude to protect themselves, in keeping with traditional common law standards, but that would have had less significance before England's more restrictive policy was established in 1967.

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    Good God! I can not even imagine living under those circumstances. The idea that you can not even protect yourself because the “Government” will. What a joke! I always remember the very wise ole refrain “When seconds count the police are minutes away”. Gun control is not about controlling crime it’s about controlling “The People”! I just wonder how long it will be before the English people have had enough. What will it finally take?

    In the end though, they got what they deserve. They let the “Government” run them instead of them running the “Government”!!! I will never give up my God given right to self defense!!!

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    I just realized this was written in 2002. I wonder what the gun crime rate is now. Any government that tells you that you have no right to self defense is not looking after your best interest. Self defense is the most basic right anyone has. No government or police can protect you. I can't believe you all allow this to continue. I keep a gun at home for self defense and have a license to carry it concealed any where I go. And I do. If I am attacked then at least I have a chance to stay alive. By the time the police arrive they can either arrange for my body to be picked up or take a statement from me. I choose the later. Britons let a right be taken from them and now it will be much harder to get it back. But you should try.

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    I just realized this was written in 2002. I wonder what the gun crime rate is now. Any government that tells you that you have no right to self defense is not looking after your best interest. Self defense is the most basic right anyone has. No government or police can protect you. I can't believe you all allow this to continue. I keep a gun at home for self defense and have a license to carry it concealed any where I go. And I do. If I am attacked then at least I have a chance to stay alive. By the time the police arrive they can either arrange for my body to be picked up or take a statement from me. I choose the later. Britons let a right be taken from them and now it will be much harder to get it back. But you should try.

  • David M||

    I don't see any balance in this article at all. I live in the north of the UK and and have lived in some of the poorer areas of Liverpool, Manchester and Leeds for years and run city centre late night bars. I am now 30 years old and, outside of TV and movies, I have NEVER seen a gun, ever. It's often the case that stats are used to try and paint a picture of 'the way things are' for some lobby groups benefit but it is rarely the reality for the majority of a population.

    I think it says something that the fear of crime is more applicable that the facts twisted to support someone’s objective. I do not fear being attacked when I leave my home, I feel safe. I secure my home well and as such do not live in fear of being burgled or attacked in my home, though I understand it may happen. I understand that criminals carry guns, and I understand that specially trained police officers in the UK carry guns to deal with them. I understand that crime usually stems from social injustices such as severe poverty, poor education, high unemployment as well as drug addiction etc. This is why I find bizarre is that this articles tries to use the banning of guns in the UK to explain rising crimes in burglaries, muggings and robberies etc – they have not risen because of a lack of handguns!

    Trust mugger, a burglar or any other criminal in the UK would no more have expected to find a homeowner with a gun thirty years ago than they would do now. Just try to understand that the reason so many American's find giving up their guns as unthinkable is the same reason why so many British people find owning guns unthinkable. We just have different cultures, so try not to use rising crime stats in a country with tight gun controls to justify owning guns in your own country – be smarter!

  • Keith||

    This article is indeed very one-sided and wrought with weak inductive reasoning. We would expect crime rates to be higher in Britain than the US given their significantly higher population density. The fact that they are even comparable is an indictment of US law enforcement and possibly its lack of gun control.

    Additionally, most US cities have seen the same increase in crime that ones in the UK have in recent years, so it's hard to see how that would be related to gun control policies. As David sugggests, the increase is more likely due to economic factors.

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    I see your point Keith, though I would like to submit the idea that as a younger nation, we Americans do also have a different culture than our friends across the pond. I have always greatly respected European culture and wish some of that discipline and self restraint were present in our own nation. People can be unbearably petty and completely overreact to perceived slights...add to that a massive gang culture in every city of appreciable size (New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Denver...this list goes on) based on "being a badass" and you have a laundry list of violent, intolerant people who take advantage of a nation's right, but would just as soon bludgeon, thrash, stab, run over, immolate, strangle, defenestrate or any other method of violent behaivor. I am of the serious conviction that our gang problem is the more severe, and as most firearms related crimes are committed with cheaply manufactured guns as purchased by gangs, that would be the first and best place to go about setting our crime rates to being much lower than yours :)

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    Indeed sir, but you see violent crimes as being a result of muggers, burglars and ne'er do wells. I might present the idea of the enormous gang culture that is unfortunately present in this nation. Almost every major gang has a presence in each major city in the United States, MS-13, Hells Angels, Latin Kings, Crips, Bloods, and the list goes on. Many of these gangs are not opposed to using violence as a first resort, and a number of them require a violent act as an initiation rite before one can "make their bones", then of course, these lovely individuals supply the drug users you speak of, who also commit crimes. It is possibly the worst problem this country faces...I would suggest to all lawmakers that the second amendment be left alone, as these gangsters also do stockpile the items they steal from the police and military...if not, a number of them procure weaponry from their south american interests (who purchase them directly from the United States on a scale that was greater than this own nations sale of weapons to the Iraqi government)

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    David, with all due respect (because you don't sound like a troll, just more like you're honestly expressing your opinion), when the gun ban was passed you would have been 17. You haven't seen a gun because you haven't been mugged yet or had your home broken into, and when they were legal you were younger and just hadn't been around that much. You do make a good point about not taking one country's statistics and applying it to another country. But here in the US, the states that have loosened up their gun bans have seen their violent crime drop. Property crime goes up at the same time, but murders and rapes and hold-ups go down. There's just too much evidence for the correlation. The reason is that enough criminals think twice because they know the victim might be armed.

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    We (Americans) are not only armed to protect ourselves from criminals, we are armed to protect ourselves from government. In fact, the second amendment has far more to do with prevent the government from assuming too much power than it has to do with hunting or home defense.

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    What a terrible, inaccurate, false article. Do some real fact checking before you rant on about nonsense like this!

    The UK has some of the lowest gun homocide rates in the world!
    Here are the real facts: "The overall homicide rates per 100,000 (regardless of weapon type) reported by the United Nations for 1999 were 4.55 for the U.S. and 1.45 in England and Wales. The homicide rate in England and Wales at the end of the 1990s was below the EU average, but the rates in Northern Ireland and Scotland were above the EU average."

    It should be worth it to note that Northern Ireland and Scotland have very loose gun ownership laws, much like the US, while England and Wales have very strict gun control rules short of a total ban!

    Now, don't you feel like a fool rambling on for 4 pages with no real facts to back you up?

  • M. Havens||

    Etch, the article wasn't about "gun homicide" rate, it was about violent crime. Read the article much more carefully and you will understand this. Also note the differences as to how each country records its crime rates. The UK pads theirs to appear much lower.

    Ultimately, the difference lies in the relationship of the citizenry to the government. Americans view their government as a servant, you view yours as your master.

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    Yes, because it's much more important to protect property than to protect a life. I also assume you're quicker on the draw than Lucky Luke. I assume robbers with a gun walk up to you and tell you that they want to rob you, giving you ample time to draw your gun and shoot them. Or, maybe it's rather that someone trying to rob you would come out of a shadowy corner with a drawn gun. Now draw your own gun without dying miserably. (Plus, you can insure your property, and while you can also insure your life, once you're dead you won't get it back. Unlike a mobile phone.)

    So, actually, I do think it's better to get my phone stolen than to be shot because I too had a gun.

    Also, how can you get to the conclusion that people in the UK/Europe/anywhere outside the US view their government as the masters and they themselves as slaves. Did you notice that we live in something called "Democracy"?

    On a sidenote, I believe corporations should be allowed to keep armed forces. Then they're finally able to "kill the competition". Actually, a corporation in the US has the same rights as any citizen, so, in fact, it should already be allowed.

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    Well the American government does possess a number of companies (freight for one), so technically, the do have their own armed forces...The padding of statistics does make sense, but perhaps not to the extent the author presumes (I'm assuming a cultural gap accounts for a good deal of it and not the presence nor lack of firearms)...and also there is no indication that the young girl even did attempt to ward off her assailant who murdered her...crime is common, logic is rare (he may very well have shot her because he panicked)though the attempt to badger a man in a debate is most certainly not a logical way to prove your point sir. I'm an American, and I don't carry a gun, i'd run from an assailant(probably even if I had one), but I most certainly would not rely on the police to keep me safe. I forget who it was who stated it, but the responsibility of the police is not to protect citizens, it is to preserve order, so you may take that for what it is worth...

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    You have to NUMBER OF GUN HOMICIDES and then look at RATES PER THOUSAND, not the actual number.

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    I am thankful that my community holds criminals responsible for their acts, not the crime victims who attempt to stop them. We do not find it necessary to protect criminals from their victims.

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    Ridiculous article. Maybe the author should have looked into the increase of povety and other socio-economic factors related to rise of violent crime.

    Just for your information. No European is allowed to carry a gun. That means if at all we could only use them inside our homes. And well, maybe European burglars are just more clever than American burglars but being suprised by a thief in your own home is just not very common here.

    You also ignore that violent crime can be anything from actual murder to a little handbag-flying dispute with and old lady.

    Homicide and rape rates in Europe, you know, the really nasty stuff that actually shows a sever disregard for other ppl's freedom, dignity and life, are lower, in many cases many times lower than in the US. Actually even violent crime rates overall are lower in many countries.

    So yes, we are really sorry that we kind of think that getting killed is a bit worse than getting threatened or mugged or whatever. I don't even want to know how many ppl get killed each year in the US because both the criminal and the victim carried guns and used them with one or both getting seriously injured or even killed while it would have been a (yes, annoying, illegal and probably shocking) propety crime with no injuries/deaths in Europe.

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    Having a Nice Daydream? Violent crime has always been lower in Britain when compared to the USA, before any gun regulation, during the century of increasingly restrictive (classified until 1989) gun laws and even now with the "gold standard" of gun control. Therefore a somewhat more reasonable comparison might be with Britain’s European neighbours. It was reported in 2009 that the UK 'has worst violent crime rate in Europe'. And there has not been a marked decrease in UK violent crime since. In fact given the recent riots the opposite might be argued. The shocking reality, in your eyes no doubt, is that in spite of increased private gun ownership and increased concealed carry of handguns, in that oh so violent country the USA, its violent crime rate has been trending downward since 1994. The difference in violent crime rates between Britain and the USA is less than it used to be in spite of increased private gun ownership and increased concealed carry of handguns. How can that be? Could your core assumption, ‘less guns, less crime’ be wrong?

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    According to the data, which you can find in just about any unbiased source, you are FIVE TIMES more likely to be murdered in the US than the UK. And this has been true for every year that the gun ban has been in effect.

    So while it may seem like Britain is awash with crime, and it may be, crimes that stop at assault, robbery, mugging etc, tend to just stop right there. Here in the US, it's far more likely that a crime that begins as say a mugging, ends in a homicide. At that point, the authorities focus far less on the mugging aspect (and in fact probably don't even report it as such), and far more on the more serious homicide charge.

    It should also be noted that America's policy on jail is very hard core. We are number one in the world in locking people up. So if you keep locking up anyone who has even a whiff of guilt about them, that will have a positive effect on crime rates. So who's to say that the whole aggressive jailing campaign isn't more effective at reducing crime than letting everyone carry a gun like we were cowboys in a western?

    Also who's to say that implementing a policy exactly like Britain has would create exactly the same outcome in the US?

    In any case, who's taking your guns anyway? I've not seen any laws passed recently that do anything to curtail gun ownership. In fact in some states the laws have actually been relaxed, like in Texas for example where Rick Perry just made gun rights even stronger.

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  • midomidi2013||

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  • midomidi2013||

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  • midomidi2013||

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    ust realized this was written in 2002. I wonder what the gun crime rate is now. Any government that tells you that you have no right to self defense is not looking after your best interest. Self defense is the most basic right anyone has. No government or police can protect you. I can't believe you all allow this to continue. I keep a gun at home for self defense and have a license to carry it concealed any where I go. And I do. If I am attacked then at least I have a chance to stay alive. By the time the police arrive they can either arrange for my body to be picked up or take a statement from me. I choose the later. Britons let a right be taken شركة تنظيف مجالس بالرياض
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  • midomidi2013||

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    ust realized this was written in 2002. I wonder what the gun crime rate is now. Any government that tells you that you have no right to self defense is not looking after your best interest. Self defense is the most basic right anyone has. No government or police can protect you. I can't believe you all allow this to continue. I keep a gun at home for self defense and have a license to carry it concealed any where I go. And I do. If I am attacked then at least I have a chance to stay alive. By the time the police arrive they can either arrange for my body to be picked up or take a statement from me. I choose the later. Britons let a right be takenترميم البيت
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  • midomidi2013||

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